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Really?! Really?! Man you gotta calm down, it's ain't even next Wednesday yet! You goin by the way ? Or should I just yell out DUH ! For asking that question?

Really? Really!

By going, do you mean to the Signing Day event? If so, I'm not gonna make that. However, I'll be at the Spring Game, with family in tow...
 
Sometimes, you really make me wonder if you are serious or not. For about a week's worth, all across the media, we were "penned in" as the next addition to the ACC. It came out that Fla St and Clemson, among others, were concerned that our football would water them down. The rest of the ACC made a decision to strengthen the unity of all members (football-centric included) by dropping whatever academic pretense they held and going for Louisville in the last minute instead of UConn. Everyone on the board is aware of the drama that unfolded, since I see countless threads talking about Manuel in the Virgin Islands and all the other horsecrap.

So the bottom line is: Why on earth would everyone in the media believe we were "penned in" (not penciled) if it was a forgone conclusion that Shalalalalalala's hatred of us stopped us from entering? The question is rhetorical...

http://articles.courant.com/2012-12...sville-fans-uconn-football-program-tom-jurich

The funny thing is that there are actually people that think we were left out for one reason. There were multiple reasons, and we made enemies in the past and that sure didn't help us.
 
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Again I've backed off blaming Warde, but if giving up the TV money for 10 years was on the table you take it. Right now we've given up the TV money for eternity.

Except the BY would call him soft for giving the money away.
 
Except the BY would call him soft for giving the money away.
Beggars can't be choosers. The can call him whatever they want, I would call him the savior of our athletic program.
 
The funny thing is that there are actually people that think we were left out for one reason. There were multiple reasons, and we made enemies in the past and that sure didn't help us.

Then just answer to me why Jurich would state that we were "penned in" and why the entire sports media thought it was a foregone conclusion that UConn was in? How on earth could those things be true if we were indeed the victims of a grudge against Blumenthal? (this time, the questions aren't rhetorical, as I am interested as hell to see how you explain these)...
 
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Then just answer to me why Jurich would state that we were "penned in" and why the entire sports media thought it was a foregone conclusion that UConn was in? How on earth could those things be true if we were indeed the victims of a grudge against Blumenthal? (this time, the questions aren't rhetorical, as I am interested as hell to see how you explain these)...

Because the media had no clue, and Jurich can say whatever he likes to make his accomplishment seem more grandiose.

You're clearly confused, the dislike for UConn was a preexisting condition. This is not imagined. They had to get Bill Clinton to call Shallalalalalalalala in our behalf.
 
I call him TBD.
If we get into a P5 conference on his watch, he gets all the credit in my book. Our situation right now is so precarious. If it happens on his watch he and Sue Herbst will be heroes. Heroes.
 
If we get into a P5 conference on his watch, he gets all the credit in my book. Our situation right now is so precarious. If it happens on his watch he and Sue Herbst will be heroes. Heroes.

Okaaayy. But that's a big IF.
 
Really? Really!

By going, do you mean to the Signing Day event? If so, I'm not gonna make that. However, I'll be at the Spring Game, with family in tow...
Yeah, looked forward to meeting my long lost brotha
 
Because the media had no clue, and Jurich can say whatever he likes to make his accomplishment seem more grandiose.

You're clearly confused, the dislike for UConn was a preexisting condition. This is not imagined. They had to get Bill Clinton to call Shallalalalalalalala in our behalf.

I'm not going to argue with you any further on it (or anyone else, for that matter). Again, if you wish to believe that an organization is going to make a multi-million dollar, long-term decision based on what they think about the senator of the state, then have at it....
 
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I'm not going to argue with you any further on it (or anyone else, for that matter). Again, if you wish to believe that an organization is going to make a multi-million dollar, long-term decision based on what they think about the senator of the state, then have at it....

Okay. But you are oversimplifying.
 
Okay. But you are oversimplifying.

Money, and keeping FSU / Clemson from bolting, is hardly an oversimplification! How do you think that Duke, UNC, and Virginia felt when they had to decide to go with the community college? Tough pill to swallow, but that kept their big football programs happy and unfortunately, Louisville is reported to have about 15 million more or so in their athletic revenue every year. Those are the facts. Now that FSU won the big one, I'm sure the ACC is going to sleep just fine knowing they won't bolt...
 
Because the media had no clue, and Jurich can say whatever he likes to make his accomplishment seem more grandiose.

You're clearly confused, the dislike for UConn was a preexisting condition. This is not imagined. They had to get Bill Clinton to call Shallalalalalalalala in our behalf.
People in command positions have been known to embellish circumstances, the might of their foes etc. Generals, politicians, coaches...ADs.
 
Businessmen DO NOT make multimillion dollar, long-term decisions based on whether or not they dislike the senator of the state that the school resides.[/I]

Really? You think it's a naïve thought? At the risk of prolonging this proctological self-examination, perhaps you haven't seen a BOD in action. Having served on one, a decision can absolutely come down to the personal aspects. Mr. X (UConn) is recommended by a Board committee to be hired. Perhaps even the chairman supports the hire. Then it makes the rounds and a couple of folks with loud and influential voices (Clemson, Fl St.) who the chairman doesn't want to get on his wrong side say--"Not that guy--he sued me/screwed me in the past." But wait", says the committee, "he's really a good fit for our company. It wasn't just him that did that to you, there were other factors involved". And the comeback is "Well, we don't care. We don't want that working here. Who else is a viable candidate? There must be one out there. What about Mr. Y (Louisville)?"

FldCtyFan is right, Blumenthal's tactics and actions, as Connecticut's Attorney General, tainted UConn in the eyes of many. When my buddy who golfs with Boeheim asked him (at my behest) what he thought about UConn getting an invite to the ACC his response was telling. This is what he said. "Hey, I don't know, but there was a surprising amount of bad mouthing about UConn at the meeting I just was at---a lot of it about that lawsuit."
 
Lawsuits are just business....nothing much to be held against a program.

What a decision maker will remember is if you make it personal...If you call him or her out as a liar, like Shalala was called out.

Now, I, nor anyone else, knows if that influenced her thinking on conference additions, but I'd bet that she hasn't forgotten nor forgiven.
 
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The problem with media whore Blumenthal's taking point and firing away on that lawsuit, was the decision he made, to actually name specific individuals, from the AD and Presidents, to the administrators in the ACC offices. To my knowledge, no lawsuit regarding college football, conferences etc...(and there were ones before - some that actually made it to the supreme court...and there were more later, and in suit right now......but alll other similar suits named institutions, not individuals.) but Blumenthal named specific individuals, and went head to head with the likes of Shalala - who had worked in the White House.......and tricky Dick II, got taken to the shed, and UConn was still back there for a whipping years later. It boggles my mind how much support Blumenthal has in this state. I've never voted for him.


Blumenthal named individuals, and guess, what it's vote of a very few handful of individuals, that have put us out of the upper level of revenue streams in college football.

All we can do is a University community, alumni, friends, fans...is move forward, and learn from mistakes and not repeat them.
 
Really? You think it's a naïve thought? At the risk of prolonging this proctological self-examination, perhaps you haven't seen a BOD in action. Having served on one, a decision can absolutely come down to the personal aspects. Mr. X (UConn) is recommended by a Board committee to be hired. Perhaps even the chairman supports the hire. Then it makes the rounds and a couple of folks with loud and influential voices (Clemson, Fl St.) who the chairman doesn't want to get on his wrong side say--"Not that guy--he sued me/screwed me in the past." But wait", says the committee, "he's really a good fit for our company. It wasn't just him that did that to you, there were other factors involved". And the comeback is "Well, we don't care. We don't want that working here. Who else is a viable candidate? There must be one out there. What about Mr. Y (Louisville)?"

FldCtyFan is right, Blumenthal's tactics and actions, as Connecticut's Attorney General, tainted UConn in the eyes of many. When my buddy who golfs with Boeheim asked him (at my behest) what he thought about UConn getting an invite to the ACC his response was telling. This is what he said. "Hey, I don't know, but there was a surprising amount of bad mouthing about UConn at the meeting I just was at---a lot of it about that lawsuit."

This will be the last thing I say about this, because there's clearly no changing people's stances on this one. Your analogy is ridiculous for the following reason; you are setting up a scenario where a person is hired for a position. Conference realignment is not hiring a person; they are acquiring a UNIVERSITY! Furthermore, the individual that you are referring to is not a part of the university, outside of the fact that he casts votes on the behalf of the state of Connecticut.

A multi-million dollar acquisition of a large entity, for the long-term, is not done based on what an individual (who is no longer attorney general) said and did 11 years ago. If you choose to believe in that fantasy, be my guest...
 
This will be the last thing I say about this, because there's clearly no changing people's stances on this one. Your analogy is ridiculous for the following reason; you are setting up a scenario where a person is hired for a position. Conference realignment is not hiring a person; they are acquiring a UNIVERSITY! Furthermore, the individual that you are referring to is not a part of the university, outside of the fact that he casts votes on the behalf of the state of Connecticut.

A multi-million dollar acquisition of a large entity, for the long-term, is not done based on what an individual (who is no longer attorney general) said and did 11 years ago. If you choose to believe in that fantasy, be my guest...

I think in the real world that is true. An earlier comment mentioned this being a business? It might be a business but it's not run by business people.

The Big East was run by people so clueless they needed Jaime Dixon to point out adding TCU may have been the single most obvious move in history.

The idiots at North Carolina were publicly shocked when they saw how much higher the revenue is for the Big 10. The CFO for the Ad was completely clueless about the gap.

Honestly the average poster here has a better handle on the business aspects of conference realignment than many of the decision makers. That a few of these clowns would hold a lawsuit that caused no harm a decade ago against their best interests would not surprise me.
 
This will be the last thing I say about this, because there's clearly no changing people's stances on this one. Your analogy is ridiculous for the following reason; you are setting up a scenario where a person is hired for a position. Conference realignment is not hiring a person; they are acquiring a UNIVERSITY! Furthermore, the individual that you are referring to is not a part of the university, outside of the fact that he casts votes on the behalf of the state of Connecticut.

A multi-million dollar acquisition of a large entity, for the long-term, is not done based on what an individual (who is no longer attorney general) said and did 11 years ago. If you choose to believe in that fantasy, be my guest...

In our case. A couple of schools harboring a lingering amount of ill will over the lawsuit and several influential schools concerned about football was a figurative death sentence. Couple that with the fear of the conference breaking apart and yeah we're on the outside looking in.

The bottom line is that the lawsuit was definitely a liability for us. It wasn't the only one or the biggest one, but if it gave some voting institutions a reason to not support us then it most definitely had an impact. To say otherwise is completely naive.
 
I think in the real world that is true. An earlier comment mentioned this being a business? It might be a business but it's not run by business people.

The Big East was run by people so clueless they needed Jaime Dixon to point out adding TCU may have been the single most obvious move in history.

The idiots at North Carolina were publicly shocked when they saw how much higher the revenue is for the Big 10. The CFO for the Ad was completely clueless about the gap.

Honestly the average poster here has a better handle on the business aspects of conference realignment than many of the decision makers. That a few of these clowns would hold a lawsuit that caused no harm a decade ago against their best interests would not surprise me.

BC and Syracuse are stupid. They are so worried about local competition. There are three FBS programs within minutes of eachother in RDU. Competition makes everyone better, or it has the potential to if you capitalize on it. College football in the northeast could really benefit from some consolidation.

This is why I don't hate the idea of UMASS getting better. If we can have another good program to play locally then that's better for us, and better for the sport in the region.

The idea of suppressing potential competition is small time thinking.
 
Call me cuckoo, but I think that if Dick Blumenthal were to be voted out of office, it would go a long way toward changing the minds/opinions about Connecticut, and UCONN - that a lot of folks south of Mason - Dixon, that have climbed up, or are on the way up the ladders and in places of decision making.

I'm not going to elaborate on that, but I will just say that I have no idea what the thread discussion topic is or what was being discussed as a I type this, but once again, the single reason why UCONN is in the American Athletic Conference, and not the ACC, is that when it was time to vote.....among the dozen or so people that actually vote - we didn't get enough votes.

UCONN, if we want to be another conference, needs to do the work, such that when decision makers are inclined to vote again, or decision making processes of any effect are put into action regarding such subject matters.......that we have done the work to make sure that UCONN gets the votes we need, or is at the front of whatever other decision making processes are involved.

We most certainly, over the years from 1997-2010 were NOT doing the work it takes to get the votes.
 
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The problem with media whore Blumenthal's taking point and firing away on that lawsuit, was the decision he made, to actually name specific individuals, from the AD and Presidents, to the administrators in the ACC offices. To my knowledge, no lawsuit regarding college football, conferences etc...(and there were ones before - some that actually made it to the supreme court...and there were more later, and in suit right now.but alll other similar suits named institutions, not individuals.) but Blumenthal named specific individuals, and went head to head with the likes of Shalala - who had worked in the White House..and tricky II, got taken to the shed, and UConn was still back there for a whipping years later. It boggles my mind how much support Blumenthal has in this state. I've never voted for him.


Blumenthal named individuals, and guess, what it's vote of a very few handful of individuals, that have put us out of the upper level of revenue streams in college football.

All we can do is a University community, alumni, friends, fans...is move forward, and learn from mistakes and not repeat them.


Taking it a step further, the residents of Connecticut then voted the guy in to a US Senator.

They're looking at Connecticut and saying "the whole state is just like him". You're known by the company you keep.
 
Your analogy is ridiculous. If you choose to believe in that fantasy, be my guest...

The analogy wasn't meant to be on point, merely to indicate that personal issues can and often do influence positions and votes on big decisions. These university and conference honchos weren't business moguls, they were heads of fiefdoms within a fraternity atmosphere. They didn't want to let in the school from the state who's AG had sued them personally. I could give you better analogies but why bother. And about that fantasy? It isn't.
 
Call me cuckoo, but I think that if Blumenthal were to be voted out of office, it would go a long way toward changing the minds/opinions about Connecticut, and UCONN - that a lot of folks south of Mason - Dixon, that have climbed up, or are on the way up the ladders and in places of decision making.

I'm not going to elaborate on that, but I will just say that I have no idea what the thread discussion topic is or what was being discussed as a I type this, but once again, the single reason why UCONN is in the American Athletic Conference, and not the ACC, is that when it was time to vote.....among the dozen or so people that actually vote - we didn't get enough votes.

UCONN, if we want to be another conference, needs to do the work, such that when decision makers are inclined to vote again, or decision making processes of any effect are put into action regarding such subject matters..that we have done the work to make sure that UCONN gets the votes we need, or is at the front of whatever other decision making processes are involved.

We most certainly, over the years from 1997-2010 were NOT doing the work it takes to get the votes.

I wouldn't state this if this thread hadn't already come off the rails......but Blumenthal could be found guilty of treason and CT would still elect him.
 
The analogy wasn't meant to be on point, merely to indicate that personal issues can and often do influence positions and votes on big decisions. These university and conference honchos weren't business moguls, they were heads of fiefdoms within a fraternity atmosphere. They didn't want to let in the school from the state who's AG had sued them personally. I could give you better analogies but why bother. And about that fantasy? It isn't.

I agree. It's a complete fallacy to assume that because people are in a position of great influence over a large number of people, like university presidents, and athletic directors, etc......that they don't behave in decision making and recommendations about other people and what they represent, regarding something like conference shifting.......as if they were considering who from the town to invite to their party at their house after their kid's little league game. You'd like to think that it's different, and for the people that are really good people, they do work hard to get things right.......but in reality, it's not that much different, human beings are human beings....... the same petty politics and he/said she/said, I like him or her, or I don't like him or her because of this or that - all apply. Blumenthal is just one player, and I'll go ahead and say that Calhoun didn't do that many favors or earn many favors with anyone outside of CT in positions of authority either.

How much you win and what sports, have nothing to do with all of this. It's all about being included and hanging out with the "in" crowd. Lew Perkins knew it in 1990 when college football changed dramatically for the first time around TV money. We went ahead with the upgrade in 1997 with the invite from the Big East - which was a no-brainer decision, really.....but took a lot of work to get done anyway, and we went past point of no return on upgrade in 2000 finally. In the meantime, right up through 2011, the Big East, and UCONN was regularly on top of the world in basketball, and failed to recognize that the rug could get pulled out on b-ball, at any time, just as easily as it could have been in 1990.

You learn from your mistakes and you move forward.

What we do now, is win our current conference championships in football, as much as we can, work to improve our own conference as much as we can in football, so that if we are still here in the next 6 years, that when the TV dollars are re-done, the programs in the conference are competiting and generating interest, up to market, and we can continue to thrive, and at the same time, maintain leadership in place at the school that understands the priorities and is working to keep every bridge out there open and ready to be crossed at any time. That means build relationships with people, that make decisions, and maintain those relationships throughout any and all changes.
 
I wouldn't state this if this thread hadn't already come off the rails.but Blumenthal could be found guilty of treason and CT would still elect him.

That's probably not far from the truth, and it reflects badly on CT around the country, among people that actually pay attention to such things. This guy actually lied blatantly, and then perpetuated the lie for years, about his military service in Vietnam for his own gain, and barely got a hiccup out of the welfare state voting population. Ugg. I only have one vote, and can brainwash my children until they're old enough and life experienced enough to make their own choices. It's not enough. We need more.
 
We care what the Confederacy thinks about our senators?
 
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