If ND wins, should NCAA be forced to explain itself on Shepard?

[willtalk]

They Shepard/ND thing is over and is history, however as an example of the NCAA's lack of consistency it still remains an issue. It remains as an example of the unaccountability of an agency that sets itself up as the standard for intercollegiate ethics. This example is a real smoking gun. Shepard stated when she put in for her transfer, her reasons for transferring. She stated it was purely for the development of skills in respect to her future in basketball. That is in black and white and is difficult to spin as some justifiable personal reason.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Maybe there were extenuating circumstances behind the transfer and those circumstances were private (i.e. none of our business). If there was some kind of...issue, and I will NOT speculate on one...and the NCAA blabbed about it because some UConn fans had their panties in a bunch, I would be the first person in Indianapolis with pitchfork and tar in hand.

Sorry, but it will take several months for the whiners and lousy sports to settle down if ever. It is amazing how much vitriol can be generated by sports. Oh well! The whining is better than what I encountered in England when a group of losing soccer hooligans got on our train.

 

[SVCBeercats]

They Shepard/ND thing is over and is history, however as an example of the NCAA's lack of consistency it still remains an issue.

What evidence does anyone having regarding the NCAA so-called inconsistency? Particularly since private information is kept private.

 

[mbr33ct]

This thread is about padding messages count to a few...the NCAA should look into this!

 

[HoopsHoppy]

Hopefully the following will clarify and maybe close this thread - lots of questions but only for conversation and not settlement. Here's the Omaha newspaper article of 6-1-17 announcing Shephard's departure and her reasoning.

Former Husker Jessica Shepard transferring to Notre Dame

At that time, the personal reason was for her own development and moving to a team more fitting how she wanted to play and grow.

Notre Dame, as I understand it, requested a waiver of the waiting year because of the team's decimation by injuries; more of a personnel rather than personal issue.

It was granted and what has transpired in the past week bring those unusual decisions into question.

 

[Tenspro2002]

ND is a darling of the NCAA. I guess we're not supposed to question their favorable treatment.

 

[Orangutan]

Here's the Omaha newspaper article of 6-1-17 announcing Shephard's departure and her reasoning.

Former Husker Jessica Shepard transferring to Notre Dame

At that time, the personal reason was for her own development and moving to a team more fitting how she wanted to play and grow.

Pehaps Shepard fed the press a line because the real reason for transfer and subsequent waiver request was none of the media's beeswax? She gave a comment to a newspaper. It wasn't a sworn deposition.

 

[ivrytontusker]

ND is a darling of the NCAA. I guess we're not supposed to question their favorable treatment.

Lol. How many wins did UNC basketball vacate following their fake classes scam?

 

[meyers7]

How about you answer the question Nan.

Why was she given a waiver and hundreds of other kids a year weren't?

Not wanting to get political, but if everyone took that attitude, we would never get the truth about anything.

Just looking for the truth. Some people are afraid of the truth. If there is a perfectly equitable reason, why not come forward? No one person ever forces the truth. But, discussion breeds thought, and more people questioning accepted standards. What do you have against the NCAA explaining itself ? Just asking ?

The point is why are you asking (again and again) on the BY? Why are you looking for "the truth" here on the BY. We don't know why the waiver was granted. Nobody on here is in the know.

If you want to look into, go for it. But go ask the NCAA or Notre Dame or Shepard herself. And when you find out, then you can come back here and tell us. In the mean time, why do you keep asking here? It should be pretty obvious we don't know. And most of us at this point really don't care.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Lol. How many wins did UNC basketball vacate following their fake classes scam?

Remind me the next time vacating wins has any impact on the material success of a college sports program.

The UNC case is a joke, but doesn't change the fact that ND just happens to find itself, more often than not, on the right side of controversial decisions on or off the court/field.

 

[Irishfan]

Back this off season Jessica Shepard was given a surprise waiver to be able to be eligible immediately this season instead of sitting out a season like most transfers have to do. The only known comment explaining it was it was given for "personal reasons".

Well I suspect most people transfer for "personal reasons". Nearly all have to sit out a year. Male and female. Think having Azura last year may have helped a bit? What was so special here? The consequences of this decision could be huge. They are one win away from winning the championship. I would think Miss State, UConn, Oregon fans, etc may deserve to have a strong answer. The UConn men had a player who the NCAA said had to sit out this year. He attended summer school at St Johns for like a week before leaving for, you guessed it, personal reasons.

Why should our right to know be predicated on whether Notre Dame wins or loses. It seems like we should know regardless of wins or losses. Something must be done, before it is too late.

 

[ivrytontusker]

Remind me the next time vacating wins has any impact on the material success of a college sports program.

The UNC case is a joke, but doesn't change the fact that ND just happens to find itself, more often than not, on the right side of controversial decisions on or off the court/field.

Losing wins affects the record books (both in terms of total number of wins and all-time win %). Many people care about those things. And what are the other examples of ND being on the right side of controversial decisions?

 

[maddoggy]

There are lots of asterisks in sports. Perhaps those who believe the waiver has tainted ND's victory or the NCAA could assign it an asterisk or two while those who don't see things that way agree to disagree.

If this thread goes on much longer, I fear the ASPCA will get called in to investigate who has been beating this dead horse.

 

[bob neal]

Relax everyone. I don't know most of you posting here about Sheppard's waver; but I do know that if everyone on the boneyard post ten times a day asking for an explanation it will not cause the NCAA to answer. The NCAA could not care less about opinions on the boneyard.

 

[SVCBeercats]

ND is a darling of the NCAA. I guess we're not supposed to question their favorable treatment.

Did UCONN even attempt to get a waiver for Butler or Stevens? Give ND credit for trying. Any good sales manager will tell his sales folks to ask for the business. If you don't, then the default answer is no. If asked and answered no, then a dialog can be opened to seek an understanding of the objections. Perhaps the objections can be worked out one by one until a yes is the response. But you must make a request. I don't recall McGraw whining about how long the decision took. Work it out away from the media.

Considering what Butler endured at Georgetown she just might have received a waiver. But if you can hang on for 5 years then all or most of your masters' degree will be paid for. There were problems with JP McCallie having been called on the carpet for her treatment of players. Steven's might have received a waiver as well.

 

[j66kicker]

Pehaps Shepard fed the press a line because the real reason for transfer and subsequent waiver request was none of the media's beeswax? She gave a comment to a newspaper. It wasn't a sworn deposition.

It's pretty explicit and proactive, not the least bit evasive:

“I wanted to go to a place where I can develop into the player I want to be and compete for championships,” Shepard said.

“Notre Dame has a post coach that is second to none and considered the best in the country,” Shepard said. “My skills fit into the offense they run and that offense will allow me to play on the perimeter and in the post.”

I think the whole fiasco was a bunch of BS. That said, I don't blame this for UConn's loss - If we want to be champions we need to beat whoever your put out there.

 

[willtalk]

. There were problems with JP McCallie having been called on the carpet for her treatment of players. Steven's might have received a waiver as well.

Geno didn't apply because he felt that Stevens reasons didn't meet the criteria. Ironically the reason Shepard gave prior to the application mirrored Stevens stated reasons. It appears Geno ( the accused cheater) just felt it would have been wrong to apply.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Geno didn't apply because he felt that Stevens reasons didn't meet the criteria. Ironically the reason Shepard gave prior to the application mirrored Stevens stated reasons. It appears Geno ( the accused cheater) just felt it would have been wrong to apply.

What is the source of Geno's reasons? Fact or opinion?

 

[HoopsFan21]

What is the source of Geno's reasons? Fact or opinion?

Check the "Stevens leaving" thread page 13 or 14. Someone posted it in there. I remember when he said it too. Some schools embellish (read lie about) the reason for the transfer in order to help obtain the waiver, and Geno said he wasn't going to do that.

 

[CocoHusky]

What is the source of Geno's reasons? Fact or opinion?

Check the "Stevens leaving" thread page 13 or 14. Someone posted it in there. I remember when he said it too. Some schools embellish (read lie about) the reason for the transfer in order to help obtain the waiver, and Geno said he wasn't going to do that.

"I don’t have an answer behind those other programs what happened, why some kids are eligible and some kids are not,” Auriemma said. “I just know that our two are not. From talking to them, it doesn’t seem like there is anything that would make me think ‘OK we should go and pursue this.’ I don’t know what happened that those other players were able to do that. If I felt there were something there, I would pursue it but it would be dishonest for me to think there is when there isn’t.”
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[SVCBeercats]

"I don’t have an answer behind those other programs what happened, why some kids are eligible and some kids are not,” Auriemma said. “I just know that our two are not. From talking to them, it doesn’t seem like there is anything that would make me think ‘OK we should go and pursue this.’ I don’t know what happened that those other players were able to do that. If I felt there were something there, I would pursue it but it would be dishonest for me to think there is when there isn’t.”
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It doesn't matter what he feels, it is what the NCAA does. Take a shot and try. Probably McGraw was told or thought the same thing but took a shot and voila. If you don't ask, the answer is always no.

 

[CocoHusky]

It doesn't matter what he feels, it is what the NCAA does. Take a shot and try. Probably McGraw was told or thought the same thing but took a shot and voila. If you don't ask, the answer is always no.

Nah.... Geno doesn't do desperate.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Nah.... Geno doesn't do desperate.

The reply of the way too cocky who later regret their words and actions.

 

[CocoHusky]

The reply of the way too cocky who later regret their words and actions.

The truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it? Exactly where would this "regret" come from?

 

[HoopsFan21]

The truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it? Exactly where would this "regret" come from?

Possibly that Geno could have had Z for the Miss St game two seasons ago, and this past season would have been her second season and perhaps much improved.

 

[jimazee]

Possibly that Geno could have had Z for the Miss St game two seasons ago, and this past season would have been her second season and perhaps much improved.

easy to write a different ending with that start...but as with so many Boneyard thoughts, this is well beyond a simple "Monday morning" what if (or three), despite its value in filling time until next year.

 

[willtalk]

Now a poster, on another thread, stated that Shepard sat out the previous season due to injury and if she sat out another that would be two seasons in a row not playing. Now that might constitute a personal reason for accepting her request. I certainly could understand that. But it still creates issues. First of all Nebraska would have given her an entire year of free education ( unless she wasn't going to school) with out the benefit of her playing for their team. They would do this under the understanding that she would return the next season. I do not know why else they would. If she wanted to transfer then it should have been done at that time. That year should have been at the expense of the school she was transferring too. That has often happened in cases like this. For example Alexis Jones, who used her rehab year as the one she sat out and that year was picked up by the school she was transferring too. To do it the way it was done by Shepard is a bit disingenuous in that she got a free year of education out to Nebraska and will have that year of eligibility left to use at ND in a graduate program if she desires. Very unethical if you ask me. She needs to pay back Nebraska for that year of tuition. The NCAA is setting a horrible precedent in this case.

 

[ctdad]

Now a poster, on another thread, stated that Shepard sat out the previous season due to injury and if she sat out another that would be two seasons in a row not playing. Now that might constitute a personal reason for accepting her request. I certainly could understand that. But it still creates issues. First of all Nebraska would have given her an entire year of free education ( unless she wasn't going to school) with out the benefit of her playing for their team. They would do this under the understanding that she would return the next season. I do not know why else they would. If she wanted to transfer then it should have been done at that time. That year should have been at the expense of the school she was transferring too. That has often happened in cases like this. For example Alexis Jones, who used her rehab year as the one she sat out and that year was picked up by the school she was transferring too. To do it the way it was done by Shepard is a bit disingenuous in that she got a free year of education out to Nebraska and will have that year of eligibility left to use at ND in a graduate program if she desires. Very unethical if you ask me. She needs to pay back Nebraska for that year of tuition. The NCAA is setting a horrible precedent in this case.

Nice try, but there was no "free year of education".

Shepard has not sat out any collegiate seasons due to injury. She missed most of her senior year of high school (2014-15) with an ACL injury and entered Nebraska in the fall of 2015, playing the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons with the Cornhuskers before transferring to ND for this season (2017-18). She has one year of eligibility left and assuming a normal education track she will be an academic senior next year. The only way she plays at ND as a grad student is if she misses next year due to injury or is on track to graduate this May (in 3 years).

 

[Fightin Choke]

Now a poster, on another thread, stated that Shepard sat out the previous season due to injury and if she sat out another that would be two seasons in a row not playing. Now that might constitute a personal reason for accepting her request. I certainly could understand that. But it still creates issues. First of all Nebraska would have given her an entire year of free education ( unless she wasn't going to school) with out the benefit of her playing for their team. They would do this under the understanding that she would return the next season. I do not know why else they would. If she wanted to transfer then it should have been done at that time. That year should have been at the expense of the school she was transferring too. That has often happened in cases like this. For example Alexis Jones, who used her rehab year as the one she sat out and that year was picked up by the school she was transferring too. To do it the way it was done by Shepard is a bit disingenuous in that she got a free year of education out to Nebraska and will have that year of eligibility left to use at ND in a graduate program if she desires. Very unethical if you ask me. She needs to pay back Nebraska for that year of tuition. The NCAA is setting a horrible precedent in this case.

That other poster was incorrect to state that Shepard missed a season due to injury. She was in the same high school class as Lou and Napheesa, so she have been in college for three years now. She played her freshman and sophomore years at Nebraska and was granted immediate eligibility for her junior year at Notre Dame. Next year she will exhaust her last year of eligibility. She did not cheat Nebraska out of a year of tuition. If she had wanted to get 5 years of tuition, she could have spent this past year off the team as a transfer and then she would have had two more seasons at Notre Dame (if she wanted) and 5 total years of college tuition (2 at Nebraska + 3 at Notre Dame).

 

[wallman]

While, Slocum, Stevens, Boley, Moore, Cooper to name a few were turned down.