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If Gilbert is out for the year again...

Kris Dunn had shoulder issues for 2 straight years at Providence and then played on to the NBA like it never happened.
Does anyone have any insight as to how they solved his problem?
 
Tenspro2002 said:
KO screwed up big time by not retaining MAL and not getting another stud PG in Waters who would have been more than an adequate replacement.

If they were scared off by a guy with shaky medical history who may not play more than a handful of games in his entire career, that is abysmal program management by the coaches.
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Stop stop stop. For the millionth time. Waters was NEVER coming to UCONN. Read any post. It was not happening EVER!!
 
Fishy said:
Wait.

No.

He hurt it twice before he got here and then he hurt it about a week into the season.

This has zero to do with UConn and everything to do with God giving Alterique a crappy shoulder.
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Agree see Greg oden and Brandon Roy for knees
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
You're right. We basically went and got KW after that Italian kid chose Texas Tech.
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We have two kids (KW and DO) in which we get nothing out of. Nothing. And their both 27 years old . We could've used another guard and at least a 1-2star 7ft African rim protector. It's just misfortune. Oh well. Are there any second semester kids available ? Smh
 
I tweeted out yesterday that I was hearing AG could be out for the rest of the season. Was hoping it wasn't true. We'll see, but nothing I've heard makes me optimistic.
 
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Horatio said:
We have two kids (KW and DO) in which we get nothing out of. Nothing. And their both 27 years old . We could've used another guard and at least a 1-2star 7ft African rim protector. It's just misfortune. Oh well. Are there any second semester kids available ? Smh
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We’ll basically be playing with nine guys now. Likely starters will be Anderson, Adams, Vital, Larrier, and Cobb (once healthy). Mamadou first off the bench. Polley to give the guards a breather. Carlton to back up Cobb. Whaley will be an energy guy giving us 10 minutes a night. I hope AA, JA, CV, and TL are all ready for 30+ minutes a night. Also hope MD and TP are ready to step up with some bench scoring.
 
Horatio said:
We have two kids (KW and DO) in which we get nothing out of. Nothing. And their both 27 years old . We could've used another guard and at least a 1-2star 7ft African rim protector. It's just misfortune. Oh well. Are there any second semester kids available ? Smh
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hahaha love this.
 
JimOllie said:
We’ll basically be playing with nine guys now. Likely starters will be Anderson, Adams, Vital, Larrier, and Cobb (once healthy). Mamadou first off the bench. Polley to give the guards a breather. Carlton to back up Cobb. Whaley will be an energy guy giving us 10 minutes a night. I hope AA, JA, CV, and TL are all ready for 30+ minutes a night. Also hope MD and TP xare ready to step up with some bench scoring.
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Yep. Polley is gonna have to step up. Once Cobb is healthy we should be fine with the bigs. Under regular circumstances I think
Whaley would be a redshirt and probably wouldn't be here if Sid just came to Uconn in the first place. There's just too many plot twists.
 
Horatio said:
Yep. Polley is gonna have to step up. Once Cobb is healthy we should be fine with the bigs. Under regular circumstances I think
Whaley would be a redshirt and probably wouldn't be here if Sid just came to Uconn in the first place. There's just too many plot twists.
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Polley is by no means a guard but him playing decent minutes at the 3 will give our guards some rest in the 3-guard lineup. He might be the most crucial part from here on out. If he doesn't perform AA, JA, and CV will all be played 35+ a night. And that's just calling for fatigue and injury. If TP gives us 20 minutes a night with 5 pts/5 rebs and some good defense, I'll be happy.
 
The idea Ollie will get a pass if Gilbert is out is absurd. The idea many gave him a pass last year, with multiple injuries, is absurd.

“Oz and others” seem to the type hoping for a crappy season so Ollie would be fired.



UChusky916 said:
As Oz and others are speculating, it gives KO another pass for this year.

It's hard for any team to become a cohesive winning unit with your all-American lead PG going down a few games in back-to-back years. This is especially so when you consider the offense that UConn runs.

UConn PGs have historically been an extension of the coach on the floor, and we'd preferably have 2 PGs on the floor at once. It's looking like Adams might have to shoulder the load on his own for back to back years with no backup, and no 2-PG lineups.

I know many will disagree with giving KO mulligans with the injuries. But with all things considered, not having Gilbert in back to back years is just a killer, and you can't have a fair evaluation of anyone as a result. No, it's not a cop-out... UConn isn't a recruiting giant like UK, Duke, etc. that can still compete after losing an all-American PG. Expections need to be tempered another year and we need to recruit 2 PGs next year to compensate.
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businesslawyer said:
Fault and responsibility are not the same thing. It is clearly KO's responsibility that we only had 4 guards where one had a shoulder issue with a strong possibility of recurrence. That doesn't make MAL's decommit his fault. Neither you nor I have any idea if KO had any fault in that.
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That’s not how it works when you’re making 3 bucks a year as a D1 coach. He deserves the credit when they win and the fault for losses and personnel.

It’s especially true for the MAL decommit which was not a one-off and came shortly after the 3 existing players left. Not hard to read the tea leaves here - that’s a referendum on the program and by extension KO. Something was (is?) very wrong.
 
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Horatio said:
My goodness. MAL would've had so much playing time and most likely started. Horrible turn of events to add to last year.
We're down to three guards people. Smh
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And none on the bench with this current lineup.
 
You guys do know that Durham is at Notre Dame right?

And that Diarra is starting to look pretty good?

Can we be fair? Gilbert’s shoulder may keep him from contributing but what the heck was Ollie supposed to do about that?
 
Fishy said:
This has zero to do with UConn and everything to do with God giving Alterique a crappy shoulder.
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Hartford Courant: Gilbert dislocated the shoulder in high school, again playing in the Jordan Brand Classic in April 2016. After surgery, he dislocated the shoulder in the third game of his freshman season at UConn and missed he rest of 2016-17, having a second surgery. Gilbert re-injured the shoulder during the summer, slowing his rehab, and after a promising start to the season, he hurt it again playing Michigan State a week ago.

I hope he stays here on scholarship and gets his degree, even if he plays sparingly. Personally I'm tired of the Universities using these young kids and when they no longer benefit the U. they are dropped and left to fend on their own.
 
At this point it's all speculation that Gilbert is out? It hasn't been announced anywhere other than by oz?
 
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Life is unfair. If injuries contribute to his firing, so be it. Here's the bottom line, how is the team performing? Even if you adjust expectations for the loss of Gilbert, they still look bad. Pulling out OT wins AT HOME against the likes of Columbia and Monmouth is not much of a silver lining. They should never have been in the position to need the heroics. Right now the team is 82nd in the Sagarins. Last year they finished 81st. There is no improvement no matter how hard people try to find it.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
I can see it now...

"KO is ruining the integrity of the program by rescinding the scholarship. We made an offer to the-" ... you get it.
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He actually kept his word on 2 kids who's injuries will now end up interrupting the recruiting process. Durham wasn't half the player he should've been either when here, he may end up ok at ND but he said YES to KO then hurt his knee again. I guess KO should've said good luck but you'll never be a Husky huh? Hindsight says he should've because the kid screwed him, but he did what he had to do at the time. These things happen and it sucks, just seems to be the way things are for this time period.
 
Paesano said:
Life is unfair. If injuries contribute to his firing, so be it. Here's the bottom line, how is the team performing? Even if you adjust expectations for the loss of Gilbert, they still look bad. Pulling out OT wins AT HOME against the likes of Columbia and Monmouth is not much of a silver lining. They should never have been in the position to need the heroics. Right now the team is 82nd in the Sagarins. Last year they finished 81st. There is no improvement no matter how hard people try to find it.
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We're 8 games into the season with all new parts except for Vital and Adams and the second/third best player is out. Only Anderson and Onurah have real experience and seasons under their belt. Larrier has one season about three years ago. I'm not making excuses but.......
 
The good news is with the emergence of Antwoine we really don't need Alterique as much as many people think we do. We have enough to make the NCAA tournament with Jalen, Vital, Antwoine, Larrier, and Mamadou.

PS: As I said in the summer, Vital should have been starting from day 1 this year, and Alterique should have been healing and resting off the bench. He would have had a greater chance to heal properly.

PS: No excuses, NCAA tournament or bust for Ollie and the team.
 
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For those saying Waters was never interested in UConn - Waters called UConn his dream school in 8th grade. His fascination with UConn lasted a few years. He was on campus MANY times. As the program began to crumble, Waters seemed to lose interest, or maybe the rumors of a him wanting a guaranteed starting role had something to do with it, I don't know, but anyway, saying he was never interested in coming here is dead wrong. At one time this was the only place he wanted to be.
 
Paesano said:
Life is unfair. If injuries contribute to his firing, so be it. Here's the bottom line, how is the team performing? Even if you adjust expectations for the loss of Gilbert, they still look bad. Pulling out OT wins AT HOME against the likes of Columbia and Monmouth is not much of a silver lining. They should never have been in the position to need the heroics. Right now the team is 82nd in the Sagarins. Last year they finished 81st. There is no improvement no matter how hard people try to find it.
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I don’t think anyone expected Monmouth to be a cupcake. They’re one of the toughest mid majors of recent years.
 
Horatio said:
We're 8 games into the season with all new parts except for Vital and Adams and the second/third best player is out. Only Anderson and Onurah have real experience and seasons under their belt. Larrier has one season about three years ago. I'm not making excuses but..
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Actually, you are making excuses. Listen, with Gilbert, this should have been a very good team. Without him, no one expects a run at the final four or even the sweet sixteen ir anything like that. But, even with adjusted expectations, what we are seeing is bad.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
I don’t think anyone expected Monmouth to be a cupcake. They’re one of the toughest mid majors of recent years.
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Recent years is not this year. What they did in the past has no bearing on what they are right now. I will take an unbiased analysis of the actual results from this year, done by an MIT grad, over people's biased opinions based on past years.
 
Alteriques loss is huge. He gets to the basket so easy, he and Adams would drive teams crazy trying to guard them and would open things up for everyone else. It's a huge impact on any expectations when you lose a kid that good and talented. I hope he can heal at some point but if not, wish him the best in his academics and hope his education would point him in the direction of basketball because he seems to love the game. Not predicting the end of his career, just not putting too much hope into him ever being what he expected to be for us.

As far as MAL, yeah he's probably going to be a very nice player and already is pretty good. Good sized kid, can get to the rim, kind of Early Kelly-ish with his creativity so those are good things. But for now Antoine is the better player for us, this year alone, I get the future blah blah blah but AA has won us a couple games remember. If he's not here there's a solid chance we're 4-4 and one of these BYers may have assassinated KO by now. MAL has 15 assists and 13TO's, not great. He can't shoot a lick, a mason. He missed 3 crucial FT's yesterday at URI in the loss and he doesn't look good there at all. A .455% at the FT line for your PG can impact you in a very negative way down the stretch of a game so if that doesn't improve we would have had a PG who we would need to take out the last 3 minutes of every close game? Not knocking the kid or saying glad we don't have him, just pointing out to all of those that think he would be the answer this year, well he wouldn't. Anderson is here because he's not and I'm glad we have him after all his lockdown D on Seaborn in the 2nd half was crucial.
 
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