I Wouldn't Be Surprised To Get An Acc Invite In The Next Week

[uconnric]

Makes you wonder if five BCS conferences is how it will end up and the Big East will actually be one of the 5. Who would have thought the Big East could survive! This would lead to an 8 team playoff with the 5 league champions and 3 'wild cards'.

Here is a scenario:

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St to the Pac12
Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, and TCU to the Big East
Notre Dame and Rutgers to the Big Ten
Florida St and Virginia Tech to the SEC
UConn and Louisville to the ACC

The Pac12 and SEC would be at 16 teams, the Big East, B1G, and ACC would be at 14 teams.

Makes some sense, but if the ACC lost FSU and VPI, they could lose the BCS invite.

 

[ctchamps]

Makes you wonder if five BCS conferences is how it will end up and the Big East will actually be one of the 5. Who would have thought the Big East could survive! This would lead to an 8 team playoff with the 5 league champions and 3 'wild cards'.

Here is a scenario:

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St to the Pac12
Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, and TCU to the Big East
Notre Dame and Rutgers to the Big Ten
Florida St and Virginia Tech to the SEC
UConn and Louisville to the ACC

The Pac12 and SEC would be at 16 teams, the Big East, B1G, and ACC would be at 14 teams.

I could see this happening, but if those schools head to the conferences as you suggest, UConn would be making a mistake in not staying in the BE imo,

 

[gars44]

lotta dreamers on this thread. ACC has no reason or desire to do squat near term.

 

[ctchamps]

lotta dreamers on this thread. ACC has no reason or desire to do squat near term.

It isn't dreaming at all. The ACC is doing what everyone is doing, examining what is taking place. And after examining the conference world they will either stay pat or decide things have changed once again which could threaten their stability and feel the need to make additional moves.

 

[BBNBE]

It isn't dreaming at all. The ACC is doing what everyone is doing, examining what is taking place. And after examining the conference world they will either stay pat or decide things have changed once again which could threaten their stability and feel the need to make additional moves.

ACC will expand for one team and one team only, nd. People need to stop saying VT or FSU will leave and join the SEC. That s pure fiction.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

ACC will expand for one team and one team only, nd. People need to stop saying VT or FSU will leave and join the SEC. That s pure fiction.

FSU would leave the ACC for the SEC in a heartbeat. The problem is, the SEC doesn't want FSU because of Florida.

 

[ctchamps]

ACC will expand for one team and one team only, nd. People need to stop saying VT or FSU will leave and join the SEC. That s pure fiction.

It is pure fiction unless it happens. I would say that VT and FSU are tremendous long shots in getting into the SEC. But crazier things with less possibility have occurred. Like winning eleven tournament games in a row after going 9-9 in conference play.

 

[businesslawyer]

ACC will expand for one team and one team only, nd. People need to stop saying VT or FSU will leave and join the SEC. That s pure fiction.

Nah -- it's pure speculation. And that's just as true if you said VT and FSU turning down an SEC invite would be pure fiction.

 

[BBNBE]

FSU would leave the ACC for the SEC in a heartbeat. The problem is, the SEC doesn't want FSU because of Florida.

And how exactly do you know this?

Its not like FSU is rutgers and they need a home or their conference has a sheet TV deal.

 

[businesslawyer]

And how exactly do you know this?

Its not like FSU is rutgers and they need a home or their conference has a sheet TV deal.

You mean how does he know other than that the FSU President said they had not gotten an invitation because they were being blackballed?

 

[mattp]

i think some of you are taking the BE's being raided too personally. i dont' think it's a concerted effort to destroy the BE. i think the ACC added two teams b/c that's what was contractually required to redo their badly undervalued contract. i don't think there's any more to it than that. all the conferences are simply doing what's in their own best interests, but i don't think there's any malicious, destroy-everything-in-our-path, overtones to it. it is politically impossible to reduce the number of BCS teams. it simply cannot happen, and it's attempted the result will be for the federal government to bring their anti-trust guns to bear, and i think we can all agree the number one goal of the BCS is to keep the gov't out of it.

the last expansion led to more BCS teams, and so will this one. if the ACC really wanted to destroy the BE they should have taken good teams that might hurt our BCS bid qualifications, but they didn't do that, they just brought in the teams they felt helped their TV contract the most.

 

[BBNBE]

You mean how does he know other than that the FSU President said they had not gotten an invitation because they were being blackballed?

Where exactly in his statement did he say "FSU wants to join the SEC ?" Their are many universities and university presidents publicly begging for invites these days.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

And how exactly do you know this?

Its not like FSU is rutgers and they need a home or their conference has a sheet TV deal.

My wife went to FSU for both her undergrad and masters--I know quite a few high level boosters there (actually attended the wedding of someone who had their daughter get married at the booster club at Doak Campbell Stadium....I can't imagine that is where his daughter really wanted to hold her wedding...but that is southern football culture I guess).

Having spent time around people from the program...they would kill to be in the SEC. They consider themselves a southern football program to the core. That is not what the ACC is about. If they had a chance to move to the SEC, they would jump on it...they feel like that is their rightful place.

Go back and read the FSU officials comments a few weeks back. They say that there is no truth to the rumors of them moving to the SEC....because they have had no discussions and it is a non-starter for the SEC. They have never said there is no interest in the SEC. I firmly believe that if they recieved an offer from the SEC, they would be gone in a second.

But I have not had this specific discussion with the President of FSU....so I guess I can't say for sure. But from all of the time I have spent in Tallahasse and with people within the program...I have very little doubt that this is the case.

 

[Uptop]

Hell no to a southeren conference!

The acc is the enemy and always will be. Tranghese and BC found out the hard way and so will any other mis guided northern university that places greed ahead of critical thinking, history and a serious culture divide.

Eight Ball, Corner Pocket #1: As long as Jim Calhoun is coaching here, UConn will remain in the BIG EAST.

Eight Ball, Corner Pocket #2: If UConn is overcomed by greed and a severe case of physiological cataracts
that blinds it to the truth and ends up in the acc; it will face the same hardships and difficult times BC has encountered since it's joined the acc in attracting star studded black athletes to campus.

 

[BBNBE]

My wife went to FSU for both her undergrad and masters--I know quite a few high level boosters there (actually attended the wedding of someone who had their daughter get married at the booster club at Doak Campbell Stadium....I can't imagine that is where his daughter really wanted to hold her wedding...but that is southern football culture I guess).

Having spent time around people from the program...they would kill to be in the SEC. They consider themselves a southern football program to the core. That is not what the ACC is about. If they had a chance to move to the SEC, they would jump on it...they feel like that is their rightful place.

Go back and read the FSU officials comments a few weeks back. They say that there is no truth to the rumors of them moving to the SEC....because they have had no discussions and it is a non-starter for the SEC. They have never said there is no interest in the SEC. I firmly believe that if they recieved an offer from the SEC, they would be gone in a second.

But I have not had this specific discussion with the President of FSU....so I guess I can't say for sure. But from all of the time I have spent in Tallahasse and with people within the program...I have very little doubt that this is the case.

So its your speculation, fair enough....

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

So its your speculation, fair enough....

And your source? I am assuming your father must be Eric Barron since you are so well informed and can criticize others on a message board unless they have officially documented proof of every statement!

 

[businesslawyer]

i think some of you are taking the BE's being raided too personally. i dont' think it's a concerted effort to destroy the BE. i think the ACC added two teams b/c that's what was contractually required to redo their badly undervalued contract. i don't think there's any more to it than that. all the conferences are simply doing what's in their own best interests, but i don't think there's any malicious, destroy-everything-in-our-path, overtones to it. it is politically impossible to reduce the number of BCS teams. it simply cannot happen, and it's attempted the result will be for the federal government to bring their anti-trust guns to bear, and i think we can all agree the number one goal of the BCS is to keep the gov't out of it.

the last expansion led to more BCS teams, and so will this one. if the ACC really wanted to destroy the BE they should have taken good teams that might hurt our BCS bid qualifications, but they didn't do that, they just brought in the teams they felt helped their TV contract the most.

I don't know. You don't find it a little naive to state that one conference wants to come into another conference's previously exclusive territory, but that in doing so they have no interest in destroying their competitor? Why wouldn't they have that interest?

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I don't know. You don't find it a little naive to state that one conference wants to come into another conference's previously exclusive territory, but that in doing so they have no interest in destroying their competitor? Why wouldn't they have that interest?

And Flipper pretty much said one big reason ACC invited Pitt was because ACC did not want B12 gain access to the PA market.

 

[flyonthewall]

lotta dreamers on this thread. ACC has no reason or desire to do squat near term.

Or people smokin' some good stuff that they should share with the rest of us.

The ACC took Pitt and SU bec they needed to add two teams to re-open their TV deal and based on everything the ACC concluded that those were the most attractive teams to add. Now that the ACC will get more per team from ESPN they do not need to add any teams.

The new BE is a conglomeration that will likely not threaten the ACC or any other conference any time soon so no conference will be taking any BE teams in an effort to 'destroy' the BE in the near future.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Or people smokin' some good stuff that they should share with the rest of us.

The ACC took Pitt and SU bec they needed to add two teams to re-open their TV deal and based on everything the ACC concluded that those were the most attractive teams to add. Now that the ACC will get more per team from ESPN they do not need to add any teams.

The new BE is a conglomeration that will likely not threaten the ACC or any other conference any time soon so no conference will be taking any BE teams in an effort to 'destroy' the BE in the near future.

Anyone who thinks they really know what the conference landscape will look like next month, let alone in a year, is smokin' some good stuff.

 

[ctchamps]

Or people smokin' some good stuff that they should share with the rest of us.

The ACC took Pitt and SU bec they needed to add two teams to re-open their TV deal and based on everything the ACC concluded that those were the most attractive teams to add. Now that the ACC will get more per team from ESPN they do not need to add any teams.

The new BE is a conglomeration that will likely not threaten the ACC or any other conference any time soon so no conference will be taking any BE teams in an effort to 'destroy' the BE in the near future.

On the other hand if the BE looks to be gaining an advantage as a football conference, the ACC could be concerned this will either impact their upcoming contract or the BE could leap frog ahead of them in the next negotiation. And that could cause disharmony amongst its members.

But more significantly the timing of the poaching took place when A&M announced they were heading to the SEC and there were rumors that action could begin conference realignment. So it is hard to know if the grab of Cuse and Pitt was just to get a couple of million more in the contract, or a defensive move or both.

If part of their decision was based on a fear the ACC would be one of the conferences left out of the super conference configuration, then the ACC has to be assessing things going on with the BE. If the ACC believes the BE could get enough monies in the upcoming contract that would cause the schools to make a significant commitment to one another, preventing the ACC to poach additional universities from this conference in the future, this could cause the ACC to spring to action before that could take place.

 

[Fishy]

The ACC move was motivated by greed.

They saw a chance to throw a few million dollars in their pocket by removing a rival and they went for it.

The Big East, adding a bunch of teams that no one outside of their zip codes cares about, will present no challenge or concern to them.

 

[RS9999X]

Go back and read the FSU officials comments a few weeks back. They say that there is no truth to the rumors of them moving to the SEC....because they have had no discussions and it is a non-starter for the SEC. They have never said there is no interest in the SEC. I firmly believe that if they recieved an offer from the SEC, they would be gone in a second.
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The FSU President made a solid case for staying in the ACC. The loss of one good size research contract won in conjunction with the Research Triangle partners or Georgia Tech's Research Incubator more than offsets any financial gains from going to the SEC.
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[RS9999X]

Try selling academia that you are moving to a lower ranked academic conference for $5 million a year more in football media money.

That isn't the way these things work and its why an ACC team to the SEC is always suspect. Try selling Old Miss and Missie State as your new Research Triangle

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The ACC move was motivated by greed.

They saw a chance to throw a few million dollars in their pocket by removing a rival and they went for it.

The Big East, adding a bunch of teams that no one outside of their zip codes cares about, will present no challenge or concern to them.

Just like last time.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Or people smokin' some good stuff that they should share with the rest of us.

The ACC took Pitt and SU bec they needed to add two teams to re-open their TV deal and based on everything the ACC concluded that those were the most attractive teams to add. Now that the ACC will get more per team from ESPN they do not need to add any teams.

The new BE is a conglomeration that will likely not threaten the ACC or any other conference any time soon so no conference will be taking any BE teams in an effort to 'destroy' the BE in the near future.

The ACC really blew it with expansion. They added two declining universities in dead factory towns where the population is not walking away, it is sprinting away. They bring a shrinking Pittsburgh market and...I have no idea what Syracuse brings. Both schools will have trouble recruiting New York in hoops, which will cause both to decline in that sport.

The initial reports of $5MM per school to take Pitt and Syracuse kind of justified the raid, but more recent rumors are the per school bump will be much less, which means that the ACC is not protected from an SEC raid at all.

 

[The Funster]

The ACC really blew it with expansion. They added two declining universities in dead factory towns where the population is not walking away, it is sprinting away. They bring a shrinking Pittsburgh market and...I have no idea what Syracuse brings. Both schools will have trouble recruiting New York in hoops, which will cause both to decline in that sport.

The initial reports of $5MM per school to take Pitt and Syracuse kind of justified the raid, but more recent rumors are the per school bump will be much less, which means that the ACC is not protected from an SEC raid at all.

Some of us have said this when the poaching first occured. Many people thought Swofford's moved were brilliant and ahead of the curve. They weren't. They were hasty and reactive rather than patient and well conceived. Swofford needed two more teams and was prodded to move quickly by the alleged shift of Texas and OU to the Pac which would have left the Big 12 reeling. I wonder if he would have done things differently if he knew the Pac deal would fall through.

 

[RS9999X]

Looking at the history of these things Nelson, we haven't seen a University go to a conference that was ranked lower (on academics and research) than the one they were in.

The B12 and Pac-12 are kings in that respect. The BE last. The ACC is a distant 3. SEC (4). and B12 (5).

2 of the BE 4 premium programs are gone (SU and Pitt) and 2 of the B12's 3 premium programs (A&M and Missouri). Previously it was Nebraska

There you have it. Texas UConn and Rutgers anchor the lower two conferences

 

[huskyrob1]

No. UConn would and should take it. The ACC is not a better football conference than the reconstituted Big East, but it will have more geographic cohesion, much better hoops, more prestige and more stability.

The ACC is not a better football conf than the Big East???? Are you crazy? Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and Georgia Tech have all won multiple NC's in football and don't forget very strong programs like Virgina Tech, NC State, and North Carolina year in and year out. All these schools have extremely strong and entrenched alumni and booster support and recruit circles around the Big East or what's left of it. In terms of scholastic ranking...well don't even go there.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Looking at the history of these things Nelson, we haven't seen a University go to a conference that was ranked lower (on academics and research) than the one they were in.

The B12 and Pac-12 are kings in that respect. The BE last. The ACC is a distant 3. SEC (4). and B12 (5).

2 of the BE 4 premium programs are gone (SU and Pitt) and 2 of the B12's 3 premium programs (A&M and Missouri). Previously it was Nebraska

There you have it. Texas UConn and Rutgers anchor the lower two conferences

A&M did. If Missouri leaves, they'll go to a lower ranked coference academically, although not by much. Missouri isn't exactly premium academically. About the same as KU. Both AAU. I don't think the ACC is behind the Pac 10 at all, certainly not by much. But I agree with the general premise that prestige is a major motivator in these moves.