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I have a feeling Saniya will end up starting over MoJeff.

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doggydaddy said:
You haven't watched any of the videos? While she does shoot it from the shoulder, she gets the shot off very quickly. I don't see any issue. It's the same style as Maggie Lucus. She has turned out fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y71-ZcP_ST0
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Great you don't I haven't watched those videos. I don't. Stopping making an issue where there isn't one. It is what each of have seen that's all. BTW, it is nothing like Lucas' shot. You really hate it when people tell you there is no disagreement.
 
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I had a feeling someone would post this. Yes, if every game plays out like Stanford, then Saniya might start. BUT, that is highly unlikely. Don't forget MoJeff scored a career high against Hartford. No one is a bigger supporter of Chong than I am, given that she is from Westchester. But this is what I saw watching the game: She hit her first two open threes, where MoJeff and Banks could not. She made a nice pass to Hartley driving to the basket for an assist. For the rest of the time on the court, Chong basically passed the ball as soon as she touched it, kinda like a hot potato. It was Hartley that was trying to make plays, to make something happen. Makes me think Hartley took over as PG when Chong was in with her. It was great that Chong had a good first game, but I don't think it was quite as good as some do. True she didn't commit any turnovers, but I don't remember any time when she tried to test the defense. Isn't that what PG are supposed to do, probe the defense for weaknesses?

One thing I was thinking, what a thrill it must be for Chong to be able to play alongside a player as great as Bria Hartley, an All American caliber player. Takes a lot of pressure off. Another solid reason for High Schoolers to come to UConn, play with the greatest.
 
First things first. Saniya had a good first game and in a game of high magnitude. Now lets see her continue to build on that without any pressure. Don't forget she is a freshman and she will make freshman mistakes. I do think Saniya will be high in the running for FOY and down the road AA. Lets not rush things for her and let Geno handle how he uses her in the lineup.
 
RadyLady said:
So let me think about this a minute - MoJeff has a bad start and misses her 3s so she should lose her starting position to Saniya - but wait, MoJeff has better defense (missed by most in the shot-gate hysteria) so maybe she should not lose her start to Saniya. But the game was under so much better control whilst she was at the point according to some so maybe she should start over MoJeff. No wait, it was Bria who held everyone together so she should start for both herself and MoJeff...O, and Stef was missing her 3-point shot so maybe she should be replaced with KML - but wait, she is injured so forget that Stef stays...no wait, Stef didn't have the stats that Kiah had, plus she is ALWAYS in the upper post and NEVER down low so maybe Kiah should start for her. KML even though she is fabulous was not getting open so she should lose her starting position to Morgan Tuck who was hitting her three's today. Morgan plays post so she could also start for Stef who as we mentioned spends way too much time at the top of the key. Banks, poor thing is rusty so she is off to OZ to borrow the Tin Man's oil can. Stewey, forget that she was MOP of the final four, she shouldn't start at all because she is a shadow of her former self so maybe Stef should start for her since Kiah would be starting for Stef...but then when KML comes back from injury who should she replace in the starting line-up? well, she wasn't getting open so maybe she shouldn't start at all until she can figure out how to out-fox those darn double teams, same with Stewey. Bria, since she was the only one of the starters who performed to fan's expectations should actually be the coach and Geno should be benched because he obviously doesn't know what he is doing and should stay home watching the games whilst playing Candyland with his grandchildren and dining on osso buco, washing it down with a fine red table wine. But if Bria is coaching she obviously cannot play so now we are in real trouble.

See how crazy this gets?

Maybe some of the team managers could help out...
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RadyLady, I would have liked this 10 times if I could. It gives me a terrific idea for a new feature. When you see it if you want to take it over I'll defer to the original maestro.
 
Good points Alum.

I thick one can conclude without dissent (hopefully) that:

1. Chong is the better long range shooter
2. Although she had a sub-par game, Mo is much more a point.
3. Chong seems to be the successor to Hartley (incoming freshman not taken into consideration).
4. Both may very well become stars.

It'll sure be fun watching this play out.
 
We are two games into the season and some people want to take the starting job away from MoJeff! I love Saniya's game and feel she has a world of potential, but I also love MoJeff and her game. Mo can do a lot of things on the court, and yes she will eventually develop a consistent outside shot. Mo is also an excellent ball handler and will only get better with a little more experience. Saniya's time will come, maybe as soon as next year with the graduation of Bria Hartley. Saniya is a fantastic passer and should be backup to mo, but I think she will be more of a shooting guard then a point guard.
 
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msf22b said:
Sounds great but $250 bucks is out of my price range
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I was helping Geno with his shopping and I think he can afford it. I recommend Amarone from Dal Forno or Allegrini for you. Google Giada for good recipe for osso bucco.
 
Kibitzer said:
Let me help Geno with his selection of a fine red wine to be superbly suited for pairing with osso bucco. Should be Red. Italian. Piedmont. Barolo. Luciano Sandrone. 1997.
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not a big Barolo fan, personally..

but, an '08 Brunello, and I'm right there with ya!
 
Guys , guys , let's not go bananas over the flavor of the month....or should I say moment. A couple of good games does not a starting point guard make. Its a long season and it just got started. Before its all over and done MoJeff will have a lot to say about who the starting pg will be. Experience and low turnovers is a big factor when it comes to the starting ball-handler on the UConn team........ Remember last year when Caroline Doty started at point , it was her initiating and stabilizing the offense and low turnover ratio that Geno wanted and not necessarily point production, a la MoJeff..... He felt like he had enough scorers. He didn't want the turnovers. Remember he sat Bria in favor of CD. I see something similar in Geno's handling of MoJeff and Saniya. Maybe I am wrong , but it just reminds me of the Bria/CD situation last year.

And how did last years strategy turn out ?
 
Icebear said:
Great you don't I haven't watched those videos. I don't. Stopping making an issue where there isn't one. It is what each of have seen that's all.
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Excuse me?

Stop making an issue?

If you don't want to be challenged, don't post.
 
doggydaddy said:
Excuse me?

Stop making an issue?

If you don't want to be challenged, don't post.
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My point is you're constructing an issue where there isn't one. You are myth making. I don't disagree with 90% of anything you said I fully accept you have seen different things than I have seen, except for Saniya's and Maggie's shots being the same, they because aren't. Saniya's shot is along side her head above her shoulder and Maggie's has her hand right between eyes directly from her forehead. I simply described what I saw. You saw other things, great, you have seen other material and videos, great, you're luckier than I have been. You aren't disagreeing you're just being a pain in the ass.
 
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UConn990411 said:
Nothing like drawing definitive conclusions after 2 games.
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ROFLMAO - I have drawn a definitive conclusion that after 2 games. UCONN is far superior to UHartford, and at least 19 points better than "#3" ranked Stanford. Beyond that, many players will step up during the season because of foul trouble, minor (hopefully) injury and illness, and just plain substitution for breathers, experience, and matchups. Some players (God forbid) will even have bad games.

My guess is that Geno will put the pieces of the puzzle together somehow and we will cut down the nets in April.
 
Icebear said:
My point is you're constructing an issue where there isn't one. You are myth making. I don't disagree with 90% of anything you said I fully accept you have seen different things than I have seen, except for Saniya's and Maggie's shots being the same, they because aren't. Saniya's shot is along side her head above her shoulder and Maggie's has her hand right between eyes directly from her forehead. I simply described what I saw. You saw other things, great, you have seen other material and videos, great, you're luckier than I have been. You aren't disagreeing you're just being a pain in the ass.
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I am totally disagreeing on your two game assessment of Chong's three point shot.

It IS a jump shot, not a set shot. She shoots it from up to 25 feet. And her release is very quick.

Once she is more comfortable just taking the shot, she will be taking those shots.

You said she will start having her shot blocked when they realized she can shoot them. I find it doubtful that Stanford didn't know. They left her open because Hartley made nice plays to find her. And between her quick release and long range ability, she will not have her shot blocked very often. It certainly won't be a problem.

Ice, enjoy the 6 minutes you will spend watching Chong go for 54 points. Some of her 3 point shots are at least 25 feet.

 
A shot from the shoulder or chin is not a jump shot. Maya and Diana shot jump shots, Kaleena shoots a jump shot. It is shot from the crown of the brow with both feet leaving the ground hand extending to the rim with the ball rolling up and off the fingertips. The shots Saniya took in the Stanford games were all set shots from the chin and shoulder and rising little more than to the tips of her toes on one and a bunny hop on the other.

What little I could see on the video is at variance to those shots she took. More like a jump shot. As I said is was going only by what I saw against Stanford and Hartford.
 
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Jonathan Husky said:
A freshman point guard like Jen Rizzotti????
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Ah, well. Never been noted for my mid-term memory. Ask me, rather, about things that occurred in 1962 -- that I couldn't remember then, but do now.
 
jdubct said:
It's way too soon to replace Jefferson with Chong. Jefferson had a bad game. She was the best player in the Hartford game. I expect Jefferson to return to form in the Maryland game.[/quot

Agree, she was great against MD in the tournament. We got what, one more possible tough game then Geno can experiment for a month; the cream will rise to the surface.
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Icebear said:
A shot from the shoulder or chin is not a jump shot. Maya and Diana shot jump shots, Kaleena shoots a jump shot. It is shot from the crown of the brow with both feet leaving the ground hand extending to the rim with the ball rolling up and off the fingertips. The shots Saniya took in the Stanford games were all set shots from the chin and shoulder and rising little more than to the tips of her toes.

What little I could see on the video is at variance to those shots she took. More like a jump shot. As I said is was going only by what I saw against Stanford and Hartford.
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A jumper has nothing to do with where a player starts the ball, at the shoulder or at the chin or at the top of the head.

A jumper is a shot where the player jumps to shoot and releases the ball at the top of the jump.

https://www.google.com/#q=definition+jump+shot

I didn't see any difference in her HS jumper and her college jumper.
 
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Icebear said:
It does in all the training I have and on the coaching videos I own.
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She jumps but it's a set shot because she starts her shot at her shoulder?

Link ONE site that agrees with that one.

Talk about a myth.
 
msf22b said:
Good points Alum.

I thick one can conclude without dissent (hopefully) that:

1. Chong is the better long range shooter
2. Although she had a sub-par game, Mo is much more a point.
3. Chong seems to be the successor to Hartley (incoming freshman not taken into consideration).
4. Both may very well become stars.

It'll sure be fun watching this play out.
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Thank goodness for online streaming. I finally get to watch games other than the prime time games.

I like both kids game a lot. In fact I feel this team is remarkably polished at this point of the season with only one player struggling - BB understandable given she has just begun playing games.

I echo your list. I would add that Mo will be a better defender and greater disrupter of other teams offensive flow. But Saniya has really impressed me with the improvement she made from the first exhibition game.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Thank goodness for online streaming. I finally get to watch games other than the prime time games.

I like both kids game a lot. In fact I feel this team is remarkably polished at this point of the season with only one player struggling - BB understandable given she has just begun playing games.

I echo your list. I would add that Mo will be a better defender and greater disrupter of other teams offensive flow. But Saniya has really impressed me with the improvement she made from the first exhibition game.
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Strong agreement on the streaming. Yay!

And also agree on disruption. Moriah is very aggressive in attacking the passing lanes and dribblers without losing her balance & ability to return to guarding if she isn't successful in getting the ball loose. I theorize her small build aids in that regard. Even if not successful, I've gotta believe it gets in the opponent's head.
 
doggydaddy said:
She jumps but it's a set shot because she starts her shot at her shoulder?

Link ONE site that agrees with that one.

Talk about a myth.
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Truth is that her shot does not fit either well but is rather something of a hybrid.
 
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Icebear said:
Truth is that her shot does not fit either well but is rather something of a hybrid.
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No, it's not.

It's like many other young women who learned to shoot that way to shoot the ball longer distances.

But by any definition of jump shot, she has it.
 
doggydaddy said:
No, it's not.

It's like many other young women who learned to shoot that way to shoot the ball longer distances.

But by any definition of jump shot, she has it.
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Not by "any" definition just the ones you like. I gave you another one. Many probably most young girls do not shoot jump shots but some type of hybrid for exactly the issue of not being strong enough. By shooting it as they do whether they jump or not is largely irrelevant they are initiating the shot from the chin or below in a classic set shot position gaining strength from engaging chest, upper arm muscles and, yes, sometimes legs. The classic jump shot is shot from the crown of the brow using legs, the triceps and extensor digitorum. There is little to no use of chest muscles at all.
 
Icebear said:
Not by "any" definition just the ones you like. I gave you another one. Many probably most young girls do not shoot jump shots but some type of hybrid for exactly the issue of not being strong enough. By shooting it as they do whether they jump or not is largely irrelevant they are initiating the shot from the chin or below in a classic set shot position gaining strength from engaging chest, upper arm muscles and, yes, sometimes legs. The classic jump shot is shot from the crown of the brow using legs, the triceps and extensor digitorum. There is little to no use of chest muscles at all.
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No, every dictionary reference to jump shot says nothing about where the hands start.

Classic jump shot form? Very few women have that. It doesn't make the others a hybrid.

And it's certainly not a set shot, which is what you called her shot.
 
doggydaddy said:
No, every dictionary reference to jump shot says nothing about where the hands start.

Classic jump shot form? Very few women have that. It doesn't make the others a hybrid.

And it's certainly not a set shot, which is what you called her shot.
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Those definitions are all circular in logic. Look up jump shot here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms

From the waist up it is precisely the form of a single handed set shot.
 
Icebear said:
Those definitions are all circular in logic. Look up jump shot here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms

From the waist up it is precisely the form of a single handed set shot.
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You found one definition that comes close to what you are saying.

https://www.google.com/#q=jump+shot+definition

I found hundreds that say exactly what I am saying.

Most definitions of a set shot refer two two things.

Two hands shooting the ball.
No jumping involved.

https://www.google.com/#q=set shot definition
 
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