Hurley's first 3 seasons

[Waquoit]

I don't agree with this. He was playing Greg Economou. Ollie gave Hurley a depth chart

Except Greg had graduated the year before the season in question.

 

[metsfan2323]

If you asked every single UConn basketball fan if we would ever win a title, I doubt you would have found 1 who would say yes. We had people last season predicting it, with a very flawed team.

based on this sentence Hurley inherited a more difficult situation than Calhoun. You are right, expectations now are outrageous, fans complaining about last years results when the two best players on the team were injured is nuts. The season would have been completely different with a heathy AKOK and a healthy JB.

and BTW having fans complain about Hurley's offense is another thing Hurley has in common with JC as JC always had fans complaining about his offense. Always.

 

[drayenob]

Kenpom:

Year

Rk

Team

Conf

W-L

AdjEM

AdjO

AdjD

AdjT

Luck

AdjEM

OppO

OppD

AdjEM

2018​

179​

Connecticut

Amer

14-18

-0.43​

105/171

105.4/178

67/236

0.075/26

5.89/69

107.7/74

101.8/61

4.87/40

2019​

98​

Connecticut

Amer

16-17

6.78​

109/85

102.2/129

68.6/122

-0.07/323

3.79/79

105.6/98

101.8/67

-5.7/318

2020​

52​

Connecticut

Amer

19-12

13​

108.6/64

95.6/59

68.5/167

-0.077/325

4.52/86

103.1/124

98.6/54

-1.69/233

2021​

21​

Connecticut 7

BE

15-8

20.6​

113.1/27

92.5/29

65.5/309

-0.068/310

12.99/57

108.2/69

95.2/33

-1.27/240

247 recruiting rankings(with Floyd's reclass '21 will rise):

Year	Rank	Team	Total Commits	5 Star	4 Star	3 Star	Avg	Total Points
2018​	122​	Connecticut	1​			1​	91.05​	21.05​
2019​	18​	Connecticut	4​		3​	1​	95.38​	62.13​
2020​	25​	Connecticut	3​		2​	1​	95.43​	58.41​
2021​	15​	Connecticut	3​		3​		97.91​	61.8​

II don't know how the luck stat is calculated but Hurley has been very unlucky.

Despite that, the results speak for themselves.

 

[mauconnfan]

Hurley is ahead of JC after 3 years. And JC

Except Greg had graduated the year before the season in question.

There’s 3 seasons in question actually and not one year has Hurley had anyone close to the likes of Greg Economou playing significant minutes. And Tate George was good as a freshman only because it was JC coaching him so let’s not play the card he was a great player when he arrived he was just another Perno recruit. And the year you guys question I would agree to a point it was a bit disappointing but the Big East was strong and they weren’t yet better than GTown, Pitt, Cuse, Johnnies, the Hall and check out PC 88-89 they were very good too. They lost some close games in the league versus the top teams it was still heading in the right direction. For me much more impressive 3 years from JC and we knew he could coach in game. Certainly we knew it the next year for sure!

Again like our guy now couldn’t be happier but no way we can go there yet!

 

[Pudge]

contrasting Jim Calhoun 1-3 and Danny Hurley 1-3 ... is just as frustrating a conversation as URI fans looking at UCONN.

Different world. And 1988 is far different than 2021. Pandemic and all.

 

[mauconnfan]

contrasting Jim Calhoun 1-3 and Danny Hurley 1-3 ... is just as frustrating a conversation as URI fans looking at UCONN.

Different world. And 1988 is far different than 2021. Pandemic and all.

^^^THIS^^^

 

[Waquoit]

contrasting Jim Calhoun 1-3 and Danny Hurley 1-3 ... is just as frustrating a conversation as URI fans looking at UCONN.

Different world. And 1988 is far different than 2021. Pandemic and all.

Exactly, why are we contrasting similar results?

 

[nomar]

Better players. Real time Cliff, Phil and Tate were light-years ahead of Vital, Gilbert and whoever you want to put 3rd. And Hurley finally got through to Vital, the best yet most difficult inherited player. I don't think Calhoun ever really got through to Cliff until after his draft snub. If he had, they would have made the dance.

And yeah I did see Cliff as a freshman, I went to all the games. At the time we were saying Perno was so stupid he didn't start his best player until late in the year. The idea that Cliff was a nobody who Calhoun miraculously turned into a star is a myth. Everyone knew he was good then.

Look, I agree that Hurley has to keep the progression going but to date the man has nothing on him.

You omitted the most talented guy Dan Hurley inherited: Adams

An underachiever, one of our program’s biggest, but I’d say more talented than Gamble and Tate. I bet if Jalen had made that shot against Cincy in the Elite 8 of his final season (a la Tate) he would’ve gotten drafted!

 

[Waquoit]

You omitted the most talented guy Dan Hurley inherited: Adams

An underachiever, one of our program’s biggest, but I’d say more talented than Gamble and Tate.

True, I forgot about him. But he only played one year and went undrafted. Phil and the 1st round pick were a pre-formed back court for 3 years. In the context of inherited players, hardly a comparison.

 

[Pudge]

True, I forgot about him. But he only played one year and went undrafted. Phil and the 1st round pick were a pre-formed back court for 3 years. In the context of inherited players, hardly a comparison.

True, I forgot about him

 

[mauconnfan]

True, I forgot about him. But he only played one year and went undrafted. Phil and the 1st round pick were a pre-formed back court for 3 years. In the context of inherited players, hardly a comparison.

Again pre-formed in only the fact they were there. Dom didn't know what to do with either of them so JC had to form them into really good players. No doubt they were both talented so that was a plus for JC, but Dom did very little to affect Cliffs game his freshman year other than hold him back.

 

[Pudge]

the flowers around that UCONN sign had a few blossoms in 1987 ... I remember

Calhoun had Cliff Robinson, Phil Gamble, Tate George

Jeff King? Could Jeff play with Big East teams in 1987? Because he certainly would not match well with any of the front court play 2013-2018. Willie McCloud? James Spradling? Spider Ursery, Murray Williams, Pikiell (always injured). Vassilis Lanes - anyone remember him?

Ollie is exactly as Huskybass wrote. Brilliant for one little slice of 2014. But the level of recruiting of Perno was light years different to UCONN 2010 - 2021. You had 4-7 kids that we beat Siena for. Calhoun certainly developed raw into formidable. Tate George is a great example. But you were #8 or #9 for years ... because we only occasionally got a Cliff or a Earl Kelly. The bulk of the roster was just not top 100 Basketball school level. 2018? Seemed to me that OLLIE shot for big wins. Had some good assistants to recruit ... and when he scrambled to fill the roster was ... blah. But, Hurley got kids that have played ok. and developed

 

[freescooter]

Better players. Real time Cliff, Phil and Tate were light-years ahead of Vital, Gilbert and whoever you want to put 3rd. And Hurley finally got through to Vital, the best yet most difficult inherited player. I don't think Calhoun ever really got through to Cliff until after his draft snub. If he had, they would have made the dance.

And yeah I did see Cliff as a freshman, I went to all the games. At the time we were saying Perno was so stupid he didn't start his best player until late in the year. The idea that Cliff was a nobody who Calhoun miraculously turned into a star is a myth. Everyone knew he was good then.

Look, I agree that Hurley has to keep the progression going but to date the man has nothing on him.

Cliff was a (very) raw talent with a high upside. Not a soul thought he had a huge NBA career ahead of him. Plus Calhoun had a tougher schedule. 10 games against 5 Big East teams that made the tournament, including 2 that went to the Final Four. The Big East was legitimately the BEAST at that time. And UConn was the only team in the Big East never to have made the tournament since the league was formed. People forget just how good and deep the original league was. From its inception through Calhoun’s first season it had 2 different teams as national champs, five different teams get to the Final Four. Two other different teams get to the Elite 8 and the league was an overtime loss away from having all four Final Four teams one year. That is what Calhoun had to contend with taking over the only team never earned a bid. Indeed a program that some people said should downgrade the a weaker conference. You can argue all you want about how good the starters Calhoun inherited were vs what Hurley got. The circumstances aren’t even vaguely comparable