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HuskyHawk said:
Memphis has had the same money to spend for many years and didn't recruit like this. Spending $ isn't what changed for them. Penny is.
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So you agree they are cheating?
 
superjohn said:
So you agree they are cheating?
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I have no idea. Anybody who says they know for sure is full of it. I do not think cheating is the reason they got this class. Wiseman started it and it snowballed. It may be a one time thing for Penny. Three of the kids are from Memphis.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Memphis has had the same money to spend for many years and didn't recruit like this. Spending $ isn't what changed for them. Penny is.
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Maybe, but that doesn't explain why their AD just quit in the middle of this recruiting bonanza they've got going on.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
Will you share what you know?
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I know college basketball is incrediby dirty, I know Memphis is an incredibly dirty program. I know what makes college basketball incredibly dirty is AAU and sneaker companies, I know Penny is incredibly tied into that world. I know Penny has been a college basketball coach for less than a year and he has the #1 class, I know he swooped in pretty late in the game on some of these recruits and they popped to Memphis.

You don't need to see the pay stubs to know what's going on.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I have no idea. Anybody who says they know for sure is full of it. I do not think cheating is the reason they got this class. Wiseman started it and it snowballed. It may be a one time thing for Penny. Three of the kids are from Memphis.
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You said Memphis has had the same money all along and never recruited like this. Memphis has been cheating all along.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
So people are 100% certain that Memphis is paying players? Or is it just a strong assumption? Or are we all just mad?
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Yes 100%, think of it this way. We know that schools that were competing for these players were paying so you mean to tell me these players went to memphis for free? Yeah, no.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I have no idea. Anybody who says they know for sure is full of it. I do not think cheating is the reason they got this class. Wiseman started it and it snowballed. It may be a one time thing for Penny. Three of the kids are from Memphis.
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This is false. Memphis is cheating. Sure players aren't showing up with cars or bags of money but suddenly when parents can afford to live in these neighborhoods close to campus or get a new car it isn't by mistake...
 
CL82 said:
Nope, still have games on the ESPN family but T3 games will now go to ESPN+. UConn will responsible for talent and production cost for any + games.
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Is ESPN+ the WatchESPN App?
 
BFieldHusky said:
Not saying we won't miss Jalen, but a majority of those games were without Jalen AND Gilbert. People seem to forget that when using that stat.

Also think of some of the games that could have gone either way late in the year without Jalen: Cincinnati and Witchia come to mind. Temple too if Gilbert doesn't get hurt.
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The Houston game was close too. I dont remember who was out for that game.....
 
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It really depends on health, because we don’t have tremendous depth.

A starting 5 of
Gilbert
Vital
Polley
Akok
Carlton

can be a very good team if there is the expected improvement from the returning players. And I think we will see significant improvement from Polley, Wilson and Carlton come November. Hopefully CVs ball handling improves, since Hurley likes to have multiple ballhandlers out there.

I’d really like to see Polley at the 3 more. He’s not suited to be a power forward.

I’m guessing Hurley eventually wants to work Gaffney and Bouknight into the starting lineup, but that probably won’t happen for a couple months at least.

Or he just throws all the freshmen out there day 1, and has his eyes on the 2020-21 season. But ultimately I think he slowly works the new guys in.
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
It really depends on health, because we don’t have tremendous depth.

A starting 5 of
Gilbert
Vital
Polley
Akok
Carlton

can be a very good team if there is the expected improvement from the returning players. And I think we will see significant improvement from Polley, Wilson and Carlton come November. Hopefully CVs ball handling improves, since Hurley likes to have multiple ballhandlers out there.

I’d really like to see Polley at the 3 more. He’s not suited to be a power forward.

I’m guessing Hurley eventually wants to work Gaffney and Bouknight into the starting lineup, but that probably won’t happen for a couple months at least.

Or he just throws all the freshmen out there day 1, and has his eyes on the 2020-21 season. I like either approach.
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Doubt that is the starting lineup. That lineup has only one guy who can take you off the dribble, that doesn't cut it.
 
superjohn said:
Doubt that is the starting lineup. That lineup has only one guy who can take you off the dribble, that doesn't cut it.
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I 100% agree with this. You can run all the sets you want but you need the "high ball screen, clear out and attack the rim" with 10 second on the shot clock guy. And in that lineup, the only one you can run that is Gilbert, and until he proves durable enough or consistent enough finishing over length, I don't want him in that spot. That the main reason why I think Bouknight finds his way into the starting lineup at some point. If Polley or Sid come back knowing how to dribble and slash, then maybe there will be other options.
 
Gilbert, Vital, Bouknight, Sid/Akok, Carlton is my guess. Can pressure the ball and yet still decent sized.
 
superjohn said:
You said Memphis has had the same money all along and never recruited like this. Memphis has been cheating all along.
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As I've alluded to in several threads and I think @HuskyHawk is arguing, it seems pretty clear money isn't the make or break factor. Since money is getting sprayed like a fire hose from all different types of people (schools, shoe companies, assistant coaches, AAU coaches, money managers, agents, suit makers, boosters, prep schools, etc.) towards those who are inclined, just cheating doesn't move the needle. Does the school who pays the most get the guy? Maybe sometimes, but I highly doubt all the time. It's just a foot in the door.

So the old Incredibles line about "If everyone is special, no one is" comes into play. If everyone is cheating, cheating is irrelevant. It's the baseline, not the margin. So what matters is the margin. And that's the same stuff it's always been:

Exposure.
Social standing.
Popularity.
Success.

Do you think playing for Roy Williams or Penny Hardaway is going to increase his social standing more relative to his peers? Is part of being "the Elite 8" or whatever moniker the Memphis players/fans will give to the class going to increase their popularity more than any other school? Are they going to get more scouts to their games (and maybe hold a combine/pro day at the end of the year ala Kentucky) than at LSU?
 
UcannUconn said:
Sorry to be the pessimist but I don’t understand the optimism. The vast majority of teams in our conference will be improved. We went 1-7 w/o Jalen last year. I really think we’re another year away from being good.
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I actually think that most people on here are being overly pessimistic which is understandable given the trauma of the last few years. We are going to be an improved team. Guys like Carlton, Sid, and Polley are going to make a jump, Gilbert should be excellent and CV has more experience than just about anyone in the conference. If the freshmen are good and I think they will be, we are going to have a solid season. Plus, we are due for some better luck when it comes to injuries.
 
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auror said:
As I've alluded to in several threads and I think @HuskyHawk is arguing, it seems pretty clear money isn't the make or break factor. Since money is getting sprayed like a fire hose from all different types of people (schools, shoe companies, assistant coaches, AAU coaches, money managers, agents, suit makers, boosters, prep schools, etc.) towards those who are inclined, just cheating doesn't move the needle. Does the school who pays the most get the guy? Maybe sometimes, but I highly doubt all the time. It's just a foot in the door.

So the old Incredibles line about "If everyone is special, no one is" comes into play. If everyone is cheating, cheating is irrelevant. It's the baseline, not the margin. So what matters is the margin. And that's the same stuff it's always been:

Exposure.
Social standing.
Popularity.
Success.

Do you think playing for Roy Williams or Penny Hardaway is going to increase his social standing more relative to his peers? Is part of being "the Elite 8" or whatever moniker the Memphis players/fans will give to the class going to increase their popularity more than any other school? Are they going to get more scouts to their games (and maybe hold a combine/pro day at the end of the year ala Kentucky) than at LSU?
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I don't think everyone is cheating like Memphis.
 
superjohn said:
Doubt that is the starting lineup. That lineup has only one guy who can take you off the dribble, that doesn't cut it.
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I would love to see Gaffney+Bouknight in the starting lineup, but will they be ready to go from day 1 like that?
Because we aren’t starting BA either, I’m guessing.

I’d say come March, we should see
Gilbert
Gaffney
Bouknight
Akok
Carlton
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
I would love to see Gaffney+Bouknight in the starting lineup, but will they be ready to go from day 1 like that?
Because we aren’t starting BA either, I’m guessing.

I’d say come March, we should see
Gilbert
Gaffney
Bouknight
Akok
Carlton
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My hope is that Sid earns the starting spot at the SF position and keeps it. I'd like to see Bouknight or Gaffney earn the SG spot over CV by mid-season. Not sure Akok will start day 1 either. I think Hurley is going to play a lot of different starting lineups.
 
HuskyHawk said:
My hope is that Sid earns the starting spot at the SF position and keeps it. I'd like to see Bouknight or Gaffney earn the SG spot over CV by mid-season. Not sure Akok will start day 1 either. I think Hurley is going to play a lot of different starting lineups.
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You can pencil in Akok at pf.
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
It really depends on health, because we don’t have tremendous depth.

A starting 5 of
Gilbert
Vital
Polley
Akok
Carlton

can be a very good team if there is the expected improvement from the returning players. And I think we will see significant improvement from Polley, Wilson and Carlton come November. Hopefully CVs ball handling improves, since Hurley likes to have multiple ballhandlers out there.

I’d really like to see Polley at the 3 more. He’s not suited to be a power forward.

I’m guessing Hurley eventually wants to work Gaffney and Bouknight into the starting lineup, but that probably won’t happen for a couple months at least.

Or he just throws all the freshmen out there day 1, and has his eyes on the 2020-21 season. But ultimately I think he slowly works the new guys in.
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Polley can't even take 4s off the dribble, there's no way he'll be able to be a 3 in our system. On top of that he won't be able to defend guards one-on-one. He's a 3 and D guy at best, and his best position is the stretch 4.
 
superjohn said:
You can pencil in Akok at pf.
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Did you day pencil thin Akok at PF? I assume he will be the guy. But I expect Hurley to keep the pressure on everybody.
 
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RayIsTheGOAT said:
It really depends on health, because we don’t have tremendous depth.

A starting 5 of
Gilbert
Vital
Polley
Akok
Carlton

can be a very good team if there is the expected improvement from the returning players. And I think we will see significant improvement from Polley, Wilson and Carlton come November. Hopefully CVs ball handling improves, since Hurley likes to have multiple ballhandlers out there.

I’d really like to see Polley at the 3 more. He’s not suited to be a power forward.

I’m guessing Hurley eventually wants to work Gaffney and Bouknight into the starting lineup, but that probably won’t happen for a couple months at least.

Or he just throws all the freshmen out there day 1, and has his eyes on the 2020-21 season. But ultimately I think he slowly works the new guys in.
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Zero chance Polley starts at the 3.
 
Gilbert 30 minutes, Gaffney 20 half backing up Gilbert and half alongside him, Bouknight 20, CV 20, 20 minutes split between Sid and Polley at SF, 10 more perimeter minutes to whichever guard emerges strongest among CV, Bouk, Gaffney, or Sid.

Akok and Carlton 30 minutes each, Polley backing up Akok 10 minutes and ??? backing up Carlton.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Zero chance Polley starts at the 3.
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That’s too bad. Because if he improves his handle, strength and lateral quickness a bit, that's really an ideal position for him.
But yeah, I guess in Hurley’s system, and considering our depth, he will have to be a stretch 4 probably.
 
PG: Gilbert, backing him up Gaffney
SG: Vital, backing him up B Adams
SF: Sid, backing him up Bouknight
PF: Akok, backing him up Polley
C: Carlton, backing him up Whaley
 
JimHurley said:
PG: Gilbert, backing him up Gaffney
SG: Vital, backing him up B Adams
SF: Sid, backing him up Bouknight
PF: Akok, backing him up Polley
C: Carlton, backing him up Whaley
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First Ive seen of B adams in anyones projections. Seems like everyones overlooking him or his minutes will be taken by a combination of Gaffney and Bouknight
 
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