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tentoes4rings said:
He had ZERO points and one rebound as a junior “leader”. That’s not part of the problem?? He wouldn’t be my choice to replace in the starting lineup but when he’s not getting open looks from 3, his value is nonexistent.
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Yeah, but the coach and the guards have to run plays that get him the ball in his sweet spot. The guard play is generally lousy. You don’t win with lousy guard play.
 
cohenzone said:
Yeah, but the coach and the guards have to run plays that get him the ball in his sweet spot. The guard play is generally lousy. You don’t win with lousy guard play.
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I agree, but halfway through his junior season he should have developed more skills than being able to hit an open 3. If he’s not getting open 3s, he needs to contribute in other ways. He remains a poor rebounder who can’t create his own shot and can’t put the ball on the floor.
 
Gilbert's role should probably be reduced and he should have a shorter leash.

Carlton gums Hurley's offense up completely. He's a back to the basket big man who's slow as molassas and he clogs up lanes. I feel like they play him less and stretch the floor more and create lanes, things get better quickly. Hurley's never liked using guys like him so i'm not surprised that of the older vets not playing well - he's been the guy Hurley's had no issues sitting.

The rest is just off the ball movement. Our pick and rolls are slow. Guys don't get open I mean heck - go watch some rando footage of tonight's game and just look at guys off the ball and watch how many of them ever get open consistently. It's wild. So we weave up top, no one is open - Vital/Gilbert are forced to force something, they drive into a lane with Carlton dragging two rhinos in tow and we either throw up something contested in the lane or pass and take a bad jumper.

Young guys have got to get better off the ball movement. Carlton needs to be clogging the lanes less. Those two things happen and i think a lot changes.
 
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Towney007 said:
Gilbert's role should probably be reduced and he should have a shorter leash.

Carlton gums Hurley's offense up completely. He's a back to the basket big man who's slow as molassas and he clogs up lanes. I feel like they play him less and stretch the floor more and create lanes, things get better quickly. Hurley's never liked using guys like him so i'm not surprised that of the older vets not playing well - he's been the guy Hurley's had no issues sitting.

The rest is just off the ball movement. Our pick and rolls are slow. Guys don't get open I mean heck - go watch some rando footage of tonight's game and just look at guys off the ball and watch how many of them ever get open consistently. It's wild. So we weave up top, no one is open - Vital/Gilbert are forced to force something, they drive into a lane with Carlton dragging two rhinos in tow and we either throw up something contested in the lane or pass and take a bad jumper.

Young guys have got to get better off the ball movement. Carlton needs to be clogging the lanes less. Those two things happen and i think a lot changes.
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I’ve never seen a team make a basketball court look smaller than these guys do. It looks like we have 7 guys on offense and I mean that as a bad thing.
 
ucp990411 said:
Not buying Dan Hurley anymore. The first Cincinnati possession Carlton overplays his man 25 ft from the basket, gets beat back door and fouls the guy on a dunk. He should have Ben yanked immediately.
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Carlton is being coached to hedge out 25 feet from the hoop, which we know because Carlton does it every play. We need to stop blaming the players for Hurley's coaching decisions.
 
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Question: If we had played a zone tonight would that have made a difference? Cinn. shot 22 % from three and basically looked terrible shooting from the arc. Other teams throw zones at us all the time until we prove we can make them pay. I saw Carlton "guarding" Vogt 25 feet from the rim. What the hell was he doing out there besides opening up the middle? Is Vogt a three point threat? Please explain as I am a rabid but casual fan.
 
dennismenace said:
Question: If we had played a zone tonight would that have made a difference? Cinn. shot 22 % from three and basically looked terrible shooting from the arc. Other teams throw zones at us all the time until we prove we can make them pay. I saw Carlton "guarding" Vogt 25 feet from the rim. What the hell was he doing out there besides opening up the middle? Is Vogt a three point threat? Please explain as I am a rabid but casual fan.
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First possession of the game, he's trying to deny a seven foot center from catching the ball at the top of the key, just stupid defense, and he gets burned for a cupcake layup plus he fouls the guy

I just don't get it, that could not be the game plan, we're just not playing very smart basketball.
 
willie99 said:
First possession of the game, he's trying to deny a seven foot center from catching the ball at the top of the key, just stupid defense, and he gets burned for a cupcake layup plus he fouls the guy

I just don't get it, that could not be the game plan, we're just not playing very smart basketball.
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If we are 15 games into the season and Carlton starts the game doing that, then that is the game plan. Stop blaming the players for Hurley's bad coaching decisions.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If we are 15 games into the season and Carlton starts the game doing that, then that is the game plan. Stop blaming the players for Hurley's bad coaching decisions.
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I disagree, that can't be the game plan. That's like an accountant telling somebody you never have to file tax returns, or a mechanic saying your car's engine doesn't need motor oil, it makes no sense.

Just like I'm sure he's not telling Gilbert to tricky dribble into a triple team
 
willie99 said:
I disagree, that can't be the game plan. That's like an accountant telling somebody you never have to file tax returns, or a mechanic saying your car's engine doesn't need motor oil, it makes no sense.

Just like I'm sure he's not telling Gilbert to tricky dribble into a triple team
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He does it every time, and other coaches expect it and are exploiting it. It is just stupid coaching. You don't need to hard hedge the shooter unless it is a good 3 point shooter and he is at the 3 point line. If he is 5 feet back, just go under the screen. Hard hedging with the slowest guy on the court is just stupid.
 
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ucp990411 said:
Not buying Dan Hurley anymore. The first Cincinnati possession Carlton overplays his man 25 ft from the basket, gets beat back door and fouls the guy on a dunk. He should have Ben yanked immediately.
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I agree on him being yanked that play alone JC would've been stomping to find Whaley totally agree. He overplayed a guy at the top of the key which is beyond stupid already only to get beat backdoor but to foul that early to top it off stupid all around for 3 seconds.

As far as not buying Dan Hurley I'm not there though.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Carlton is being coached to hedge out 25 feet from the hoop, which we know because Carlton does it every play. We need to stop blaming the players for Hurley's coaching decisions.
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There is no way in hell Carlton was taught to do that. You can’t fix stupid.
 
Griggs said:
Like Carlton better. At least he can score around the rim; sometimes.
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We have to have Carlton playing better to be good. I have been a Whaley guy for a long time but we will not be better if he has to take Carltons minutes because he's playing bad. But Carlton needs to get quicker getting the ball to the rim since he doesn't have explosion. A few times in the past 2 games he's had shots immediately off the pass and has elected to make it more difficult with ball fakes and pivots. Just get it up there!
 
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The team sucks at setting screens and the players don't know how to use/ come off screens.

Both coaching and player execution deserve criticism. Not enough passing/ sharing the ball and way too much dribbling. Frustrating to watch
 
nelsonmuntz said:
He does it every time, and other coaches expect it and are exploiting it. It is just stupid coaching. You don't need to hard hedge the shooter unless it is a good 3 point shooter and he is at the 3 point line. If he is 5 feet back, just go under the screen. Hard hedging with the slowest guy on the court is just stupid.
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You can't constantly give the other team wide open looks from 3, which is what would happen if our bigs didn't hedge. I can only remember one possession in the 2nd half where Carlton didn't hedge (not sure if it was by design or if he just didn't get out there in time) but our guard that was defending was expecting the hedge and went under the screen, and the Cinci player got a wide open look from 3, which he made.

We have two huge problems as a team which I don't expect to be solved this year: Carlton's lack of mobility on the offensive and defensive end, and weak point guard play. Carlton and AG are the main culprits, and their backups either aren't good enough (Whaley) or aren't ready (Gaffney) to take over.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Carlton is being coached to hedge out 25 feet from the hoop, which we know because Carlton does it every play. We need to stop blaming the players for Hurley's coaching decisions.
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This is a great point. Slowest guy on the team and he’s constantly losing his man at the high post by over hedging. No way he is doing on his own because he does it 20 times a game. It’s like putting a linebacker on OBJ 1:1 the whole game. Makes zero sense. His recovery speed is measured in minutes.
 
I have no idea why Hurley does not yank players out of the game after stupid plays at this point in the season. No need to call timeout just get the sub up and at the scorers table. Carltons opening fail a casein point. I also have no idea why he is slow to stop a big run with a timeout and waits till things are out of hand. We have no ability to score easily so every deficit is a big issue. We have no go to shooter or scorer. Gilbert is not going to suddenly stop getting stuffed in the lane or turn the ball over at this point. Start Gaffney, isn't he the point for next year? I also think starting Bouk over Polley has to be on the table as well as Whaley over Carlton.
 
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