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Houston Chronicle exclusive: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference.

UCFBfan said:
If this even comes to fruition, are they going to plan to keep current conference members? I can't see why you bring along lower tier schools who have been perennial doormats.
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Logically, this tectonic shift in the football landscape should provide cover for some selective pruning of weaker conference members, however don’t underestimate the influence of politics. Powerful political interests with ties to the targeted prey could muck up what oherwise makes sense. Two good examples from the past are how politics led to the inclusion of Baylor into the Big XII and Va Tech into the expanded Big East.
 
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-> A more useful recent analog, given the viewership numbers cited earlier, might be the AAC’s new ESPN deal that began in 2020. That contract nets its schools about $7 million a year on average.

Unfortunately, that $7 million-to-$12 million range does not bode well for the Left-Behind 8’s chances of landing an invitation to one of the other Power 5 conferences. The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are unlikely to invite a school that would drag down its current members’ slice of the conference pie. All three currently make far more than that from media rights. <-

-> Meanwhile, a Big 12 AD lamented to The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman last week that “bringing in a Cincinnati and UCF doesn’t bring any eyeballs.”

Technically, that AD’s not wrong. There’s no evidence to suggest those schools bring in moreeyeballs than his. But he may need to come to terms with the reality that his school may soon be held in similar regard. <-
 
huskymedic said:



-> A more useful recent analog, given the viewership numbers cited earlier, might be the AAC’s new ESPN deal that began in 2020. That contract nets its schools about $7 million a year on average.

Unfortunately, that $7 million-to-$12 million range does not bode well for the Left-Behind 8’s chances of landing an invitation to one of the other Power 5 conferences. The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are unlikely to invite a school that would drag down its current members’ slice of the conference pie. All three currently make far more than that from media rights. <-

-> Meanwhile, a Big 12 AD lamented to The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman last week that “bringing in a Cincinnati and UCF doesn’t bring any eyeballs.”

Technically, that AD’s not wrong. There’s no evidence to suggest those schools bring in moreeyeballs than his. But he may need to come to terms with the reality that his school may soon be held in similar regard. <-
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Basically what anyone who has been paying attention has known for a while. Most schools are on a similar level in terms of viewership. The Texas and Oklahomas are the outliers, and very few teams have "earned" being included in the P5.

I wonder if athletic departments of bottom half teams in other conferences are starting to worry. They probably should be.
 
Random thoughts....

RE SEC and Texas-OU...

....there is a scene in Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum's character says re recreating dinosaurs..."you were so preoccupied with whether they could that you didn't think about whether you should."

The SEC is already the dominant force in the sport. It has the most marketable programs, soon the best TV deal, the largest fan bases and the most pro level talent. Now, that conference will poach two of the most storied programs in the country to add to what it already has.

The Big Ten and the SEC already make so much more money than the rest of the conferences that you could legitimately refer to them as the Power 2. The Big Ten brought in $782 million in 2020, according to a recent article in USA Today. The SEC, of course, was well over $700 million as well.

The playing field, never level, has now tilted drastically. We know who has a chance, a real chance, to win a national title. And it's about 10 to 12 teams total. And most of those are in the South. And most of those are in the Southeastern Conference. Which is about to get even stronger with the addition of two giant football powers. If it isn't Ohio State..it will be an SEC team as champ.

I have always thought that if you want to compete..recruit and play better. But with the creation of what amounts to two (really 1 1/2) superconferences splitting the money, there may be less opportunity to build a program.

The Big 12 is no more...the PAC hasn't been relevant for a while...the ACC can't compete in their own area with the SEC.

The college football world wonders how they can compete...I wonder if ESPN really wants them too.....Because judging by the numbers on those TV deals, it would appear ESPN is perfectly content with being SEC-PN every fall Saturday for the rest of our lives.

I love college football. The pageantry, mascots, traditions...I grew up as a fan...And have followed college ball for longer than most.

And, even in my optimism, I see the velociraptors running wild, with no way to get them back in the cage.

Rant off...I'll feel better when season starts.
 
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billybud said:
Random thoughts....

RE SEC and Texas-OU...

....there is a scene in Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum's character says re recreating dinosaurs..."you were so preoccupied with whether they could that you didn't think about whether you should."

The SEC is already the dominant force in the sport. It has the most marketable programs, soon the best TV deal, the largest fan bases and the most pro level talent. Now, that conference will poach two of the most storied programs in the country to add to what it already has.

The Big Ten and the SEC already make so much more money than the rest of the conferences that you could legitimately refer to them as the Power 2. The Big Ten brought in $782 million in 2020, according to a recent article in USA Today. The SEC, of course, was well over $700 million as well.

The playing field, never level, has now tilted drastically. We know who has a chance, a real chance, to win a national title. And it's about 10 to 12 teams total. And most of those are in the South. And most of those are in the Southeastern Conference. Which is about to get even stronger with the addition of two giant football powers. If it isn't Ohio State..it will be an SEC team as champ.

I have always thought that if you want to compete..recruit and play better. But with the creation of what amounts to two (really 1 1/2) superconferences splitting the money, there may be less opportunity to build a program.

The Big 12 is no more...the PAC hasn't been relevant for a while...the ACC can't compete in their own area with the SEC.

The college football world wonders how they can compete...I wonder if ESPN really wants them too.....Because judging by the numbers on those TV deals, it would appear ESPN is perfectly content with being SEC-PN every fall Saturday for the rest of our lives.

I love college football. The pageantry, mascots, traditions...I grew up as a fan...And have followed college ball for longer than most.

And, even in my optimism, I see the velociraptors running wild, with no way to get them back in the cage.

Rant off...I'll feel better when season starts.
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While I agree with what you've said I would point out one fact that many seem to forget. There are so many more colleges/universities out there than the forty of so institutions in these conferences. We're here in the northeast. We have 18 pro teams (not including soccer) all within a 7 hour drive of Hartford. Nobody in Boston cares about BC athletics except for a week in February.

Our (Syracuse) friends in Bristol have had a field day with helping to destroy UConn despite getting incredible tax breaks.
This could come back to hurt them.

I am not likely to spend any time watching college football if it's not UConn. Nothing much more than stopping by to see what a score is and if Syracuse of BC is getting their butts whipped I'll stick around a bit. And that will go on when I move out of Connecticut as well.

I will however carve out an entire Sunday to watch NFL football.

That's my rant.
 
"I love college football. The pageantry, mascots, traditions...I grew up as a fan...And have followed college ball for longer than most."

Look. My first view was UNION COLLEGE in Schenectady. My professor dad took me when there were no women students on campus; and pageantry, mascots, traditions ... and male cheerleaders + mud was a big thrill from my first viewing. We can still be a solid cfb program at UCONN and we still have little in common with Alabama; we don't recruit against them; we don't normally work with them on Wall Street or in the accounting/engineering/investment firms of New England; we aren't neighbors - until some of us retreat to Florida. We are now as separate as we are to the NFL. When I first saw Homer Jones, I knew he had nothing in common with the Union Dutchmen of my 5 year old eyes.

David Benedict has proven the value of Independent life. Our distress as the B12 implodes is virtually non-existent. We understand how Tulane feels; we feel the yearning of UCF and Cincinnati. We probably will get to play Temple and Navy more; a net benefit to our Program. I think the SEC sees more money. I think they are gonna lose a chunk of the country as this moves along. Particularly if NIL becomes a recruiting nightmare of corruption.
 
I guess it is regional...college ball vs NFL

Since, when I was a boy, there were no NFL teams in the south (Washington and St. Louis were the closest), we watched college football. And I watched college ball with my son who watches college ball, like dad and grandad did.

Even today, the only NFL game that I watch is the Superbowl.

I do now drive over to watch a West Carolina game once a year...Cullowhee is beautiful in the fall. After holding season tickets for 40 years to FSU, I gave them up. I spend most falls in North Carolina.

It reminds me of football when I was younger, when most teams weren't on TV. It was a game for fans in the stands.

And we would listen on the radio if we were not at the game...I can hear my boy now.."dad, don't bore people with talk about the way things were."
 
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A little car wash info - I heard from a guy who knows a guy that the B1G move could be Kansas and UConn. Both teams suck in FB but are BB powerhouses and both offer nice markets. Gives Neb. a rival to beat on and also give Rutgers a playmate for some regional rivalry. Info Reliability scale unknown. Doesn’t seem to square with the mantra that any add must bring $50 M in revenue contribution, but the logic is pretty strong.
 
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BlueDogs said:
A little car wash info - I heard from a guy who knows a guy that the B1G move could be Kansas and UConn. Both teams suck in FB but are BB powerhouses and both offer nice markets. Gives Neb. a rival to beat on and also give Rutgers a playmate for some regional rivalry. Info Reliability scale unknown. Doesn’t seem to square with the mantra that any add must bring $50 M in revenue contribution, but the logic is pretty strong.
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I think I have a pretty good idea of what the "info. reliability scale" is........
 
BlueDogs said:
A little car wash info - I heard from a guy who knows a guy that the B1G move could be Kansas and UConn. Both teams suck in FB but are BB powerhouses and both offer nice markets. Gives Neb. a rival to beat on and also give Rutgers a playmate for some regional rivalry. Info Reliability scale unknown. Doesn’t seem to square with the mantra that any add must bring $50 M in revenue contribution, but the logic is pretty strong.
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Is this Basic Wash or Deluxe Supreme Wash level info?
 
BlueDogs said:
A little car wash info - I heard from a guy who knows a guy that the B1G move could be Kansas and UConn. Both teams suck in FB but are BB powerhouses and both offer nice markets. Gives Neb. a rival to beat on and also give Rutgers a playmate for some regional rivalry. Info Reliability scale unknown. Doesn’t seem to square with the mantra that any add must bring $50 M in revenue contribution, but the logic is pretty strong.
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I know this is a joke, but they should make a play for Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and UConn. The latter two wouldn't command full shares and you grab the last 4 land grants that matter/ draw viewers. Bypass 16 go straight to 18.
 
BlueDogs said:
A little car wash info - I heard from a guy who knows a guy that the B1G move could be Kansas and UConn. Both teams suck in FB but are BB powerhouses and both offer nice markets. Gives Neb. a rival to beat on and also give Rutgers a playmate for some regional rivalry. Info Reliability scale unknown. Doesn’t seem to square with the mantra that any add must bring $50 M in revenue contribution, but the logic is pretty strong.
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Car wash? A guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy? I’m in. We ask for 10M a year. UConn to the BIG!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing. Wouldn’t this be nice. I thought Rutger’s rivals were Maryland and PSU, no?
 
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