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Houston Chronicle exclusive: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference.

Pudge said:
love these idiot writers and twitter clowns

"According to The Athletic, citing high-ranking sources within the AAC, the conference "plans to act as an aggressor" and "will try to poach the Big 12's leftovers, potentially as a group.""

what about economics?
You are a B12 university - making reportedly $25-32m per annum - happy to join the AAC whereby the reported LONGTERM contract is less than $7m (*for everything)? are you kidding me? this is crazed

So ESPN opens up that contract. Take TCU and Oklahoma State and Kansas State or something. Add $5m per mouth? The idea that the AAC has power is ... once again ... just inane nonsense.
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The only way the AAC has any power is if ESPN chooses to empower them.

The same can really be said about the B12 only with FOX.

It's likely that only 1 of the 2 survive and that decision will be made by whichever network chooses to play ball.
 
Pudge said:
what about economics?
You are a B12 university - making reportedly $25-32m per annum - happy to join the AAC whereby the reported LONGTERM contract is less than $7m (*for everything)? are you kidding me? this is crazed

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Those B12 schools won’t be making $25M once UT and OU leave.
 
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Butch said:
Where there's not much to do, minor league teams flourish.

Can't believe an Atlantic League team was absorbed by AA baseball. In New Jersey! I knew Jersey sucks.
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There's is a lot of rumors of who did what with Somerset getting the Yanks AA franchise from Trenton. In summary, the usual Jersey political BS.
 

What is Going to Happen to the Big 12?? | SEC | Texas Longhorns | OU​

 
Jim Delaney was fired? A poster on the Kansas board says that Delaney was fired for adding Rutgers and Maryland. He makes a case for Kansas to the B1G.

"The B1G was the only conference who was able to get the major providers to charge premium sub fees in local markets and have their Network picked up Nationally. Hence adding Rutgers for the NYC/NJ market and Maryland for the DC/MD market. The problem is that those contracts expire in 2 years, and every major and minor cable provider in the Nation will no longer carry the B1GN as part of their base (or extended) package. The B1GN will will be moved to strictly a pay-per-view channel. Which means that the market that you reside in will no longer matter for T3 revenue. The only T3 revenue that a school will provide to the B1GN will be customers who purchase the B1GN. Viewership will also drive advertising dollars for that Network. That is why adding Rutgers and MD were monumental mistakes. That is why Jim Delaney, the B1G Commish who engineered the most lucrative TV Deal in the country, was FIRED (make no mistake about it, he was given the option to retire with dignity- or be outright fired; and that comes directly from former Conference Commish/NCAA director Chuck Neinas). Rutgers and Maryland will have the fewest pay-per-view customers of any school in the B1G; they will provide fewer pay-per-view customers than most any P5 school in the Country. They also provide almost no T1/T2 content in either sport. They get an equal revenue share and provide almost no content or viewership to the B1G. Their expense vastly exceeds the menial revenue that they provide to the conference. The member institutions were absolutely livid with Delay for permanently saddling the B1G with two more mouths to feed who provide absolutely nothing in revenue. It was one of the biggest blunders in the 100+ years of Collegiate Sports and Conference realignment.

KU has serious value to the B1GN because of our passionate fan base. They could charge $20 a month for the B1GN to KU fans and we will shell it out without hesitation to watch a couple of football games and a handful of basketball games. KU will provide more viewers watching a KU v Ft Hay’s State basketball game than the viewers watching a Rutgers v Maryland basketball game. The PPV customers and content and viewership that KU will provide for the B1GN is a significant aspect on our resume to the B1G. Added viewership will add advertising dollars- and we will provide new local advertisers; those won’t be large numbers, but it will add up to something. That’s just what KU can provide with their T3 content; remember that KU currently has the 2nd highest T3 payout in the B12- ahead of OU and behind only the over- payment that ESPN made for the LHN. We have fantastic T3 content; some of the best in the country."
 
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jostar1 said:
Jim Delaney was fired? A poster on the Kansas board says that Delaney was fired for adding Rutgers and Maryland. He makes a case for Kansas to the B1G.

"The B1G was the only conference who was able to get the major providers to charge premium sub fees in local markets and have their Network picked up Nationally. Hence adding Rutgers for the NYC/NJ market and Maryland for the DC/MD market. The problem is that those contracts expire in 2 years, and every major and minor cable provider in the Nation will no longer carry the B1GN as part of their base (or extended) package. The B1GN will will be moved to strictly a pay-per-view channel. Which means that the market that you reside in will no longer matter for T3 revenue. The only T3 revenue that a school will provide to the B1GN will be customers who purchase the B1GN. Viewership will also drive advertising dollars for that Network. That is why adding Rutgers and MD were monumental mistakes. That is why Jim Delaney, the B1G Commish who engineered the most lucrative TV Deal in the country, was FIRED (make no mistake about it, he was given the option to retire with dignity- or be outright fired; and that comes directly from former Conference Commish/NCAA director Chuck Neinas). Rutgers and Maryland will have the fewest pay-per-view customers of any school in the B1G; they will provide fewer pay-per-view customers than most any P5 school in the Country. They also provide almost no T1/T2 content in either sport. They get an equal revenue share and provide almost no content or viewership to the B1G. Their expense vastly exceeds the menial revenue that they provide to the conference. The member institutions were absolutely livid with Delay for permanently saddling the B1G with two more mouths to feed who provide absolutely nothing in revenue. It was one of the biggest blunders in the 100+ years of Collegiate Sports and Conference realignment.

KU has serious value to the B1GN because of our passionate fan base. They could charge $20 a month for the B1GN to KU fans and we will shell it out without hesitation to watch a couple of football games and a handful of basketball games. KU will provide more viewers watching a KU v Ft Hay’s State basketball game than the viewers watching a Rutgers v Maryland basketball game. The PPV customers and content and viewership that KU will provide for the B1GN is a significant aspect on our resume to the B1G. Added viewership will add advertising dollars- and we will provide new local advertisers; those won’t be large numbers, but it will add up to something. That’s just what KU can provide with their T3 content; remember that KU currently has the 2nd highest T3 payout in the B12- ahead of OU and behind only the over- payment that ESPN made for the LHN. We have fantastic T3 content; some of the best in the country."
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These guys made some good points. In this new streaming era, markets don't mean squat. It all comes down to which team has the most passionate fans who are willing to pay.

This begs the question: how many people across the country are willing to pay for Uconn content? How comparable are we to a team like Kansas? How much revenue can an UConn channel full of T3 content generate per year?
 
jostar1 said:
Jim Delaney was fired? A poster on the Kansas board says that Delaney was fired for adding Rutgers and Maryland. He makes a case for Kansas to the B1G.

"The B1G was the only conference who was able to get the major providers to charge premium sub fees in local markets and have their Network picked up Nationally. Hence adding Rutgers for the NYC/NJ market and Maryland for the DC/MD market. The problem is that those contracts expire in 2 years, and every major and minor cable provider in the Nation will no longer carry the B1GN as part of their base (or extended) package. The B1GN will will be moved to strictly a pay-per-view channel. Which means that the market that you reside in will no longer matter for T3 revenue. The only T3 revenue that a school will provide to the B1GN will be customers who purchase the B1GN. Viewership will also drive advertising dollars for that Network. That is why adding Rutgers and MD were monumental mistakes. That is why Jim Delaney, the B1G Commish who engineered the most lucrative TV Deal in the country, was FIRED (make no mistake about it, he was given the option to retire with dignity- or be outright fired; and that comes directly from former Conference Commish/NCAA director Chuck Neinas). Rutgers and Maryland will have the fewest pay-per-view customers of any school in the B1G; they will provide fewer pay-per-view customers than most any P5 school in the Country. They also provide almost no T1/T2 content in either sport. They get an equal revenue share and provide almost no content or viewership to the B1G. Their expense vastly exceeds the menial revenue that they provide to the conference. The member institutions were absolutely livid with Delay for permanently saddling the B1G with two more mouths to feed who provide absolutely nothing in revenue. It was one of the biggest blunders in the 100+ years of Collegiate Sports and Conference realignment.

KU has serious value to the B1GN because of our passionate fan base. They could charge $20 a month for the B1GN to KU fans and we will shell it out without hesitation to watch a couple of football games and a handful of basketball games. KU will provide more viewers watching a KU v Ft Hay’s State basketball game than the viewers watching a Rutgers v Maryland basketball game. The PPV customers and content and viewership that KU will provide for the B1GN is a significant aspect on our resume to the B1G. Added viewership will add advertising dollars- and we will provide new local advertisers; those won’t be large numbers, but it will add up to something. That’s just what KU can provide with their T3 content; remember that KU currently has the 2nd highest T3 payout in the B12- ahead of OU and behind only the over- payment that ESPN made for the LHN. We have fantastic T3 content; some of the best in the country."
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And CT has about half a million more people… and they have more money. SNY ratings for UConn WBB are higher than most competing sports. So the NY DMA needs to be added in for us too.
 
uconnfan68 said:
We don’t have Nascar and cornhole to distract us.
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True....

But you made me think about the positive correlation between the Talladega Superspeedway and college football prowess...11 of the last 12 teams in the Championship game of the CFP have been from schools within a fairly close range of Talladega.. As well as the last seven winners of the BCS Championships.

I could never see the value of watching cars go round and round, myself.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
These guys made some good points. In this new streaming era, markets don't mean squat. It all comes down to which team has the most passionate fans who are willing to pay.

This begs the question: how many people across the country are willing to pay for Uconn content? How comparable are we to a team like Kansas? How much revenue can an UConn channel full of T3 content generate per year?
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It's almost a complete reversal of mindset. Smaller markets with less competition for viewership or non sports time and money are more valuable because there is no competition for the money.

Larger markets with pro sports and many other activities are less valuable because people have choices.
 
Chin Diesel said:
It's almost a complete reversal of mindset. Smaller markets with less competition for viewership or non sports time and money are more valuable because there is no competition for the money.

Larger markets with pro sports and many other activities are less valuable because people have choices.
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May be true....but basically it is when you have match ups people nationally want to see.....People want to see Ohio State-Michigan, Alabama-LSU, Texas-Oklahoma, Notre Dame-USC. See top ranked teams play.

"The SEC is as gold-plated a property as there is," said Adam Chase of the Washington-D.C. sports and telecommunications law firm Dow Lohnes. "On the one hand, what does someone in Los Angeles care about watching SEC football?....People want to see the best players, best coaches, best teams. Looking at the SEC's high national ratings is a really good indicator of what the demand will be."

Just being in the SEC doesn't guarantee TV ratings...Ole Miss and Vandy don't draw like Alabama. And Clemson draws more highly viewed games than the rest of the ACC
 
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JMick said:
I hope the PAC 12 does a reality show style process like the Big XII did and decides they want to expand with Boise St and BYU and no one from the Big XII. That's my best case scenario besides UConn being invited to the B1G due to sleeper agent Warde Manuel

If you can't tell, I've had a few drinks tonight.
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Why Boise and not San Diego St?
 
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This is just Billy's opinion, but...

In the old days it was about regions and similar culture.

Now everything is driven by getting the best matchups for the available bandwidth on any given Saturday. This is what drives ratings, which is what drives advertising, which brings in the money. ESPN and Fox make the ad money and payout the tv contract money to the conferences.

They don’t care about population base. They care about marquee matchups that drive ratings. The SEC is mostly in small college towns but they have a huge ratings each Saturday because of the quality of the teams. Otherwise big city schools would dominate, but they don’t.

It’s about having top teams playing each other. ESPN doesn’t care if they all are in the same state or thousands of miles apart, as long as the matchups are good. That’s, I think, what’s going to be the catalyst for realignment.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
These guys made some good points. In this new streaming era, markets don't mean squat. It all comes down to which team has the most passionate fans who are willing to pay.

This begs the question: how many people across the country are willing to pay for Uconn content? How comparable are we to a team like Kansas? How much revenue can an UConn channel full of T3 content generate per year?
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If this is the model
billybud said:
May be true....but basically it is when you have match ups people nationally want to see.....People want to see Ohio State-Michigan, Alabama-LSU, Texas-Oklahoma, Notre Dame-USC. See top ranked teams play.

"The SEC is as gold-plated a property as there is," said Adam Chase of the Washington-D.C. sports and telecommunications law firm Dow Lohnes. "On the one hand, what does someone in Los Angeles care about watching SEC football?....People want to see the best players, best coaches, best teams. Looking at the SEC's high national ratings is a really good indicator of what the demand will be."

Just being in the SEC doesn't guarantee TV ratings...Ole Miss and Vandy don't draw like Alabama. And Clemson draws more highly viewed games than the rest of the ACC
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I would not be surprised if UConn vs Notre Dame WBB gets more viewers than Ohio State vs Michigan. If so, that speaks the to streaming Opportunities in
the CT DMA.
 
Stinger92860 said:
If this is the model


I would not be surprised if UConn vs Notre Dame WBB gets more viewers than Ohio State vs Michigan. If so, that speaks the to streaming Opportunities in
the CT DMA.
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Notre Dame vs UConn 2019....2.139 million

The 2019 Women's Final averaged 4.08 million.

Comparison to some football games:

Alabama-Auburn in 2019 averaged 11.25 million

Ohio-State Michigan in 2019 averaged 12.42 million.

LSU-Bama averaged 16.64 million
 
billybud said:
This is just Billy's opinion, but...

In the old days it was about regions and similar culture.

Now everything is driven by getting the best matchups for the available bandwidth on any given Saturday. This is what drives ratings, which is what drives advertising, which brings in the money. ESPN and Fox make the ad money and payout the tv contract money to the conferences.

They don’t care about population base. They care about marquee matchups that drive ratings. The SEC is mostly in small college towns but they have a huge ratings each Saturday because of the quality of the teams. Otherwise big city schools would dominate, but they don’t.

It’s about having top teams playing each other. ESPN doesn’t care if they all are in the same state or thousands of miles apart, as long as the matchups are good. That’s, I think, what’s going to be the catalyst for realignment.
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Not exactly. If it was about the “ best teams” Texas wouldn’t be on anybody’s list at the moment. They haven’t really been a threat at a real high level since 2009. 2018 was good but not top 3-4 good. It is more a case of a Brittany Spears/Oprah/Whoever the current hot girl singer is or NFL Super Bowl halftime show approach. Lock up all the big names. People will watch even if they are past their prime. That is why, for example, you keep seeing references to FSU.
 
freescooter said:
Not exactly. If it was about the “ best teams” Texas wouldn’t be on anybody’s list at the moment. They haven’t really been a threat at a real high level since 2009. 2018 was good but not top 3-4 good. It is more a case of a Brittany Spears/Oprah/Whoever the current hot girl singer is or NFL Super Bowl halftime show approach. Lock up all the big names. People will watch even if they are past their prime. That is why, for example, you keep seeing references to FSU.
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Brand....
 
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Build a brand...it will still draw...How long has it been since Michigan beat Ohio State? Yet 12 million watched that game in 2019.


Brands can recruit based on brand...FSU hasn't done much of late...but is ranked #5 in Rivals Class Rankings.

FSU is four seasons removed from 10 wins and a W over Michigan in the bowl...there is still some residual memory. That memory will serve you for only so long, so you have to use it. Take Nebraska....
 
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