Holy Maryland > B1G is a B1G Mess

[FDNY99]

Circling the wagons around the tree...

Interesting because Muschamp has been classified as a demanding but very caring coach by past players...very similiar to Edsall.

 

[BlueDogs]

This one is a close call. I think some DAs would give it a look.

It actually may meet the criminal standard of manslaughter if there is reckless disregard for the danger created by the act of running people into the ground with the intent to cause acute psychological and physiological distress and the showing wanton disregard for the kid and delaying medical attention. I’d throw the book at them and let a jury decide. Then, as tough guys, they can appreciate real stress in the real world.

 

[JMick]

It actually may meet the criminal standard of manslaughter if there is reckless disregard for the danger created by the act of running people into the ground with the intent to cause acute psychological and physiological distress and the showing wanton disregard for the kid and delaying medical attention. I’d throw the book at them and let a jury decide. Then, as tough guys, they can appreciate real stress in the real world.

one would think that the fact they were yelling at kids for passing out would be pretty substantial evidence that they acted with disregard for safety.

 

[CL82]

I read an article I think in the UConn mag that comes out periodically, about aggressive treatment of overheated athletes. It emphasized that having the ability to do an immediate ice bath had a big benefit in saving lives. So sad that it wasn't made available here. Pretty much all sports, but football in particular has a "push through it" culture. The fact that athletes aren't likely to complain until it is too late is all the greater need for immediate remediation to cool them down. So tragic to have needless and pointless loss of life.

 

[BlueDogs]

Interesting because Muschamp has been classified as a demanding but very caring coach by past players...very similiar to Edsall.

Gotta love these overpaid s... anonymous complaints are "gutless"... that's the focus from the resident Carolina tough guy...not "hey, there is a dead student athlete and we need to really take a look at what happened..."

 

[Drew]

 

[champs99and04]

These coaches make a lot of money and a lot of promises to kids that they ultimately see - lip service aside - as commodities. There are no excuses for coloring this far outside the lines.

But they have bosses, too, and if you're stopping short of the highest step on the latter when it comes to assigning blame, it's time to reassess. This doesn't strike me as an anomaly. An extreme, sure, but not an anomaly. Oversight is built into the system in a way that trickles from the top down - the NCAA enables the school and then the school enables the coach, until ultimately it's just one vicious business model that continues to churn on plausible deniability.

I am in no way defending the coaches. However, this is the culture. You push yourself to the absolute max, mentally and physically, and then you push some more. It's just what these people are trained to believe. They genuinely think that in the end it's going to make them better men - and in a lot of cases, they're probably right.

There is no semblance of checks and balances anywhere, though, which is why this went on like it did. Nobody who worked for the school ever bothered to stop by and watch a practice to make sure they weren't training like the Soviets under Stalin. Nobody from the NCAA cared even though they 100% knew this was going on. It's only ever about milking the cow to the final drop. They know that these coaches are by and large mentally unstable people, but nobody ever holds them accountable for hiring them. It's always oh my God how could they!...even though we already know...how...they...could.

Sometimes the biggest bullies wear suits, and to me, this is the type of scandal that should get the ball rolling towards institutional reform. The state needs to step in on something like this, because it took a hell of a lot more than one macho trainer to send this kid to his death.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[zls44]

I read an article I think in the UConn mag that comes out periodically, about aggressive treatment of overheated athletes. It emphasized that having the ability to do an immediate ice bath had a big benefit in saving lives. So sad that it wasn't made available here. Pretty much all sports, but football in particular has a "push through it" culture. The fact that athletes aren't likely to complain until it is too late is all the greater need for immediate remediation to cool them down. So tragic to have needless and pointless loss of life.

UConn is home to the Korey Stringer Institute, which studies tragic preventable stuff like this.

Home | Korey Stringer Institute

 

[zls44]

Gotta love these overpaid s... anonymous complaints are "gutless"... that's the focus from the resident Carolina tough guy...not "hey, there is a dead student athlete and we need to really take a look at what happened..."

He would only care if he was a 4-star and it impacted his depth chart.

 

[WrenchFan69]

The inside story of a toxic culture at Maryland football

• There is a coaching environment based on fear and intimidation. In one example, a player holding a meal while in a meeting had the meal slapped out of his hands in front of the team. At other times, small weights and other objects were thrown in the direction of players when Court was angry.
• The belittling, humiliation and embarrassment of players is common. In one example, a player whom coaches wanted to lose weight was forced to eat candy bars as he was made to watch teammates working out.
• Extreme verbal abuse of players occurs often. Players are routinely the targets of obscenity-laced epithets meant to mock their masculinity when they are unable to complete a workout or weight lift, for example. One player was belittled verbally after passing out during a drill.
• Coaches have endorsed unhealthy eating habits and used food punitively; for example, a player said he was forced to overeat or eat to the point of vomiting.

Nice to see the B1G is consistent at least. Mike Rice and now football Mike Rice.

 

[UConnNick]

Nice to see the B1G is consistent at least. Mike Rice and now football Mike Rice.

Rutgers was still in the Big East when Rice was their head BB coach.

 

[uconnphil2016]

Matt Canada is renowned as a nightmare to work with. He’s been at four schools in four years—UMD, LSU, Pitt, and I believe NC State. This should be interesting.

 

[huskymedic]

SI: Timeline of Jordan McNair's death, aftermath at Maryland

 

[huskyrob1]

There's no way that Durkin survives this. He already had one of the hottest seats in CFB and was probably going get fired after the season unless they won 7 or 8 games. Now they can fire him and not pay him.

Losing his job is the least of his worries if he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.

 

[SubbaBub]

Muschamp should be fired for not being smart enough to avoid getting caught out over his skis. Do people even think anymore?

 

[MilliniumPrince]

And it took a young man's death to bring attention to inner workings of Maryland Football.

I have no problem with intelligent tough coaches, but if the head coach isn't fired by the end of the week, I wouldn't let my son play there. That tells me the university values the program over players. How could I trust them to help my son if he was ever in harm's way?

 

[huskyrob1]

And it took a young man's death to bring attention to inner workings of Maryland Football.

I have no problem with intelligent tough coaches, but if the head coach isn't fired by the end of the week, I wouldn't let my son play there. That tells me the university values the program over players. How could I trust them to help my son if he was ever in harm's way?

I hear you, and I wonder how this affects the recruits they've signed for 2019, including Connecticut product David Summers.

 

[bmayuc]

Circling the wagons around the tree...

Muschamp decrying "annonymous sources" in the context of a dead 22 year old kid is a moral & ethical disgrace. A player died. He is not anonymous. God I hate the NCAA, the NCAA money, the culture that explosion of NCAA money has created. I need to take a shower.

 

[Stinger92860]

>>Some members of the sprawling Terps community defended the program in the of the critical reports. Barry Gossett, the prominent booster whose name appears on the team’s football facility, is close to the program and said he’s hopeful fans and alumni don’t jump to conclusions, adding, “That’s not the DJ that I know that does things like that.”

“From a donor standpoint, I kind of stand behind DJ and his program and what he has been doing,” Gossett said in an interview Saturday. “I’m sure there have been instances where the kids have benefited from his tutelage, as well as the other coaches. On the other hand, there’s probably a couple that are disenchanted with any kind of rules and regulations where they have to do something that doesn’t fit their modus operandi, so to speak, as individual players.”<<

Are you kidding me? A 19 year old died due to negligence. If his child died do you think he would be so forgiving?

 

[Jimdish255]

In 2018 it's too harmful to the players for a program to get the death penalty, but apparently that's the punishment a player risks for not completing a drill. In the end it's just the lazy coach's way of sending a message to the rest of the team. The player in question is just collaterol damage. Makes you want to throw up.

 

[huskyrob1]

In 2018 it's too harmful to the players for a program to get the death penalty, but apparently that's the punishment a player risks for not completing a drill. In the end it's just the lazy coach's way of sending a message to the rest of the team. The player in question is just collaterol damage. Makes you want to throw up.

I definitely wouldn't throw up if Maryland's toxic football program gets the death penalty.

 

[huskyblooz]

Michigan State, Illinois, Rutgers, Ohio State, Maryland (sure I’m missing a few)...

I think I remember something bad happening at Penn State, too!

 

[huskyrob1]

I think I remember something bad happening at Penn State, too!

Lol. Also like at Ohio State now, the head coach was the only coach there apparently not aware of what was going on right under his nose.

I am just amazed that the NCAA only investigates what it feels comfortable investigating. The larger programs really do intimidate them. Years ago a former athletic director of the City of Bridgeport told me he knew first hand that Charles Smith was paid $60k to play at Pittsburgh, and that was just the tip of the iceberg of what went on in college basketball and football.

 

[mikedog10]

Years ago a former athletic director of the City of Bridgeport told me he knew first hand that Charles Smith was paid $60k to play at Pittsburgh, and that was just the tip of the iceberg of what went on in college basketball and football.

The City of Bridgeport used to have an athletic director?