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Holtman to DePaul

Scoe said:
Why would a guy on the rise go to DePaul though?
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DePaul isn't a home for someone looking to build a head coaching career. It's either a place to resurrect an image or a spot for someone who knows he's reaching.

If you're a young assistant in position to start a head coaching career you need to go to a school where success would be a possibility, not a surprise.
 
BUConn10 said:
why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
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Hurley is always bringing up in post-game pressers, etc how AD's have missed on hiring Kimani & Luke away from UConn. I think Boneyard people just feed off that when coaching vacancies arise.
 
FldCityFan, Fishy, husky429 have nailed this subject in terms of Kimani Young and Luke Murray.

Selfishly, I would like them to remain on the UConn coaching staff because they are damn good at what they do. On a more humanitarian mindset, I would like them to get a head coaching job they are seeking. However, it should be for a decent opportunity, not one where the deck is stacked against them for failure. Some coaches never recover after massively failing at their first head coaching position.
 
auror said:
The juxtaposition of him racing to sign a deal as his old team begun and has continued to win in his absence is certainly compelling.
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I hadn't paid 10 seconds of attention to Ohio State basketball until you posted this. It is hard to ignore how well tOSU is playing right now.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I hadn't paid 10 seconds of attention to Ohio State basketball until you posted this. It is hard to ignore how well tOSU is playing right now.
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I have a feeling everyone is going to want Jake Diebler. OSU lucked out.
 
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gsmooth said:
FldCityFan, Fishy, husky429 have nailed this subject in terms of Kimani Young and Luke Murray.

Selfishly, I would like them to remain on the UConn coaching staff because they are damn good at what they do. On a more humanitarian mindset, I would like them to get a head coaching job they are seeking. However, it should be for a decent opportunity, not one where the deck is stacked against them for failure. Some coaches never recover after massively failing at their first head coaching position.
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Most coaching jobs are only open because the previous coach was fired. Occasionally an opportunity opens up at a strong program because the prior coach left, but those are few and far between, and they are almost always at mid or low majors. A new coach has to start somewhere, and a high major dumpster fire like Depaul is better than a low major dumpster fire like pretty much all of them that have job openings.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I wonder why so many assume they will be great head coaches. It's always a mystery until they actually do it. Didn't Hurley's assistant at URI take over there and flame out? How many Jim Calhoun assistants became great head coaches?
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To say that Hurley's assistant that took over at URI 'flamed out'...could be the understatement of the century.
That program still hasn't recovered.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Most coaching jobs are only open because the previous coach was fired. Occasionally an opportunity opens up at a strong program because the prior coach left, but those are few and far between, and they are almost always at mid or low majors. A new coach has to start somewhere, and a high major dumpster fire like Depaul is better than a low major dumpster fire like pretty much all of them that have job openings.
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Not all low major dumpster fires have been simmering as long as the one at DePaul and I imagine that it is possible to have continuous, steady improvement that would translate to more than an additional one or two wins each year at some of those schools.

At a place like Sienna, St Peter's, Manhattan or Fairfield for example it wouldn't be unreasonable for a talented young coach in charge of a program for the first time to build from the bottom third of the conference to the top third in a few years. From there, a job at a higher level school could come calling.

At DePaul, it would take years and a minor miracle to get to eight in the conference. That job will destroy most coaches.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Not all low major dumpster fires have been simmering as long as the one at DePaul and I imagine that it is possible to have continuous, steady improvement that would translate to more than an additional one or two wins each year at some of those schools.

At a place like Sienna, St Peter's, Manhattan or Fairfield for example it wouldn't be unreasonable for a talented young coach in charge of a program for the first time to build from the bottom third of the conference to the top third in a few years. From there, a job at a higher level school could come calling.

At DePaul, it would take years and a minor miracle to get to eight in the conference. That job will destroy most coaches.
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Or give you something to do for a couple years while you augment that retirement nest egg
 
I don’t want Kimani or Luke to leave, but they deserve the opportunity if they want it. I would love to have them stay at UConn forever if they are happy at Uconn. My point with previous comments is they potentially have capacity to be next Dan Hurley and do something special. I don’t know anything about Holtman, other than being fired by Ohio St. So maybe he can do it at DePaul, but if Iwas AD at DePaul I would prefer to see what Kimani could do.
 
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Ideal position is a low major whose coach was grabbed by someone higher in the food chain because he built a successful program. That is the opposite of DePaul.
 
gsmooth said:
FldCityFan, Fishy, husky429 have nailed this subject in terms of Kimani Young and Luke Murray.

Selfishly, I would like them to remain on the UConn coaching staff because they are damn good at what they do. On a more humanitarian mindset, I would like them to get a head coaching job they are seeking. However, it should be for a decent opportunity, not one where the deck is stacked against them for failure. Some coaches never recover after massively failing at their first head coaching position.
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Bill Belichick (different sport) agrees there can be resurrection after major failure in the first job.

With so much money riding on success in the two major sports today it may be more difficult for an AD to take a chance on hiring someone with no head coaching track record.

Dan Hurley spent years learning what it takes to motivate and coach young men today and then took two steps up the ladder in D1 before he became an instant success.

I don't know the full details on English's background, for example, but he was a head coach for two years at a mid-major so if KY and LM aren't willing to go to a mid-major for their first head coaching jobs that may be a problem in today's world.
 
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Scoe said:
Why would a guy on the rise go to DePaul though?
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Just a minor detail that no one seems to be considering.
 
Scottobot said:
I don’t want Kimani or Luke to leave, but they deserve the opportunity if they want it. I would love to have them stay at UConn forever if they are happy at Uconn. My point with previous comments is they potentially have capacity to be next Dan Hurley and do something special. I don’t know anything about Holtman, other than being fired by Ohio St. So maybe he can do it at DePaul, but if Iwas AD at DePaul I would prefer to see what Kimani could do.
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The AD at DePaul has a vested interest in the AD at DePaul remaining the AD at DePaul so hiring Holtmann over taking a flier on someone’s assistant coach is like 20000% more appealing.
 
Fishy said:
The AD at DePaul has a vested interest in the AD at DePaul remaining the AD at DePaul so hiring Holtmann over taking a flier on someone’s assistant coach is like 20000% more appealing.
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You nailed it right there, That is exactly why they did it. AD wanted to choose someone who he wouldn’t get fired over if the coach doesn’t pan out. Kind of like many companies hiring the biggest tech name which is 10x more expensive, bureaucratic, and not innovative over the smaller lesser known superior option.
That said AD should get fired if Holtman doesn’t turn around program.
 
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DePaul is in the position of absolutely needing to hire someone who has head coaching experience at a big conference vs an up and coming AssntC/AHC. Yes, they are only going to get someone who had been fired or someone out of retirement. They had zero options after Holtman became available.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Most coaching jobs are only open because the previous coach was fired. Occasionally an opportunity opens up at a strong program because the prior coach left, but those are few and far between, and they are almost always at mid or low majors. A new coach has to start somewhere, and a high major dumpster fire like Depaul is better than a low major dumpster fire like pretty much all of them that have job openings.
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Nah, it really isn’t. You really would like to start at a solid mid-major, like an A10 program. Going to a 21 car pileup like DePaul is almost guaranteed to drive your career off a cliff. It will be a Hurculean task to get them to .500 and you aren’t getting a better job off that. Not a guaranteed long term contract either.
 
He hired Bryan Mullins, the recently fired coach of SIU who is supposed to be very connected in Chicago. A nice start.
 
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