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Holtman to DePaul

Scottobot said:
I think they would be better off with a new coach, like Kimani Young or Luke Murray. If Holman couldn’t make it work at Ohio State why would someone think he would be successful at DePaul with less talent?
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Some guys aren't made for huge state universities where the fanbase demands elite, 1-and-done recruits. Look at Shaka at Marquette vs. Shaka at Texas.

Holtmann can really coach, and showed it at Butler and in his first few years at OSU. I don't think he'll be a threat to crack the top half of the Big East, but he'll raise DePaul's floor a ton.
 
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why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
 
BUConn10 said:
why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
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Can't tell if you are joking. If you are not, I will just say that The Boneyard is the last place AD's will look to for ideas about coaching candidates. Pizza maybe..
 
superjohn said:
His first move needs to be offering Kleinschmidt an assistant coach position. He's gotta make DePaul a place Chicagoland kids want to play at and the coaches want to send their kids to.
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Yeah I think they had like 2 or 3 kids from Illinois on their roster this year. It should be at least half
 
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BUConn10 said:
why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
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I wonder why so many assume they will be great head coaches. It's always a mystery until they actually do it. Didn't Hurley's assistant at URI take over there and flame out? How many Jim Calhoun assistants became great head coaches?
 
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BUConn10 said:
why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
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Quite a reintroduction, where ya been?
 
Scottobot said:
I think they would be better off with a new coach, like Kimani Young or Luke Murray. If Holman couldn’t make it work at Ohio State why would someone think he would be successful at DePaul with less talent?
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Nah, you need a ton of experience before you take on a job like that. The odds are overwhelming that it would be their first and last jobs. I realize that it’s basically a knee jerk reaction for people to mention UConn assistants with every open job everywhere, but this is not for them.

It’s an awful job. Awful. It’s perfect for Holtman because he’s already rich and he doesn’t have any better options. He’s perfect for DePaul because he’s 98.6 F and this was the best case scenario for them - a recent P5 coach who was fired for just not quite winning enough instead of murder or something like that.

Normal rebuild is 3-5 years. This one is gonna be 5-7, if it even happens. They gotta leave him alone for three years minimum.
 
Matrim55 said:
Some guys aren't made for huge state universities where the fanbase demands elite, 1-and-done recruits. Look at Shaka at Marquette vs. Shaka at Texas.

Holtmann can really coach, and showed it at Butler and in his first few years at OSU. I don't think he'll be a threat to crack the top half of the Big East, but he'll raise DePaul's floor a ton.
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That is really the job. Raise the floor.

Get that done for half a decade and then the next guy can aim higher.
 
BUConn10 said:
why are people on the Boneyard so quick to sell Kimani and Luke off to dog**** programs like Depaul? Stop giving ideas and let those programs' terrible ADs screw themselves without you guys being desperate to look smart or saavy.
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He’s right. I’m an AD from a basement dwelling school and looking for intel on coaches to steal on Hickey Boondocks
 
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Hoophound said:
Kimani has probably missed opportunities solely based on his arrest many years ago. It’s unfortunate, but he’s got a great job at UConn until the right opportunity comes along.
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His first job needs to be in the northeast or he'll flop. His connections are all here. Depaul would've been a horrible idea.

I hope he ends up at an A10 school that has had some moderate success historically rather than a basement dweller in a major conference with no culture of success. If he can recruit, he'll win games.
 
Scottobot said:
I am just baffled that no one has tried to poach Kimani from Hurley’s staff. UConn is lucky these ADs are so stupid.
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Lots of possible reasons (other than past issues) why KY and LM haven't left:
1. They're paid well enough to enjoy life in the lush surroundings of Northeast Connecticut;
2. They're experienced enough to know the grass isn't always greener elsewhere;
3. They're happy doing what they do and don't yet feel they want the extra burden of being the Head Coach;
4. They enjoy the greater amount of time they get working with players rather than the extra time required for the administrative side of coaching;
5. They still feel they have more to learn;
6. The right job hasn't sought them out and they don't believe in chasing the next job.
 
BFieldHusky said:
This is what I hear a lot. Unfortunate. He is also one of the highest-paid assistants in the country.
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It's pretty ridiculous considering it was 25 years ago for a substance that is now legal in half the country. I'd hire him BECAUSE of his experience. I think it makes him a valuable mentor, especially for those guys like himself who aren't good enough to make millions in the league, but still need a plan for post-college life.
 
Scrutiner said:
Lots of possible reasons (other than past issues) why KY and LM haven't left:
1. They're paid well enough to enjoy life in the lush surroundings of Northeast Connecticut;
2. They're experienced enough to know the grass isn't always greener elsewhere;
3. They're happy doing what they do and don't yet feel they want the extra burden of being the Head Coach;
4. They enjoy the greater amount of time they get working with players rather than the extra time required for the administrative side of coaching;
5. They still feel they have more to learn;
6. The right job hasn't sought them out and they don't believe in chasing the next job.
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All of this can be true, but it's no secret they've been interested in (and interviewing for) other jobs. Luke is probably a year or two behind Kimani because of the fiasco at Louisville. It would be great to slide him into the AHC role when Kimani moves on.
 
husky429 said:
It's pretty ridiculous considering it was 25 years ago for a substance that is now legal in half the country. I'd hire him BECAUSE of his experience. I think it makes him a valuable mentor, especially for those guys like himself who aren't good enough to make millions in the league, but still need a plan for post-college life.
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I’m guessing it’s a deciding factor for some ADs when comparing “talented assistant coaches from winning schools.” If one guy has a record, the other doesn’t, you’re probably going with the latter. I’m sure an AD will eventually decide he’s the best option for the job, but I’m not too surprised it’s been an obstacle so far.
 
Scrutiner said:
Lots of possible reasons (other than past issues) why KY and LM haven't left:
1. They're paid well enough to enjoy life in the lush surroundings of Northeast Connecticut;
2. They're experienced enough to know the grass isn't always greener elsewhere;
3. They're happy doing what they do and don't yet feel they want the extra burden of being the Head Coach;
4. They enjoy the greater amount of time they get working with players rather than the extra time required for the administrative side of coaching;
5. They still feel they have more to learn;
6. The right job hasn't sought them out and they don't believe in chasing the next job.
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They’re both trying to get head coaching jobs in the north east, it’s an open secret.
 
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