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AH has to be in the running for the award for the dumbest wannna-be gangster in the world.

A list of just some of his completely moronic moves:

- using rental cars rented in his name for all of his drug running and crimes
- texting both the victim and his 'henchmen' multiple times leading up to the murder
- murdering this person you have hours of being linked to less than a mile from your house
- leaving your cell phone on to track your every move leading up to and after a pre-meditated murder
- going straight from the murder site directly to your home which has multiple security cameras
- commiting the 'hit' not only less than a mile from your house, but also doing it somewhere that has video camera's to see you come and leave
- leaving a spent bullet casing and a chewed up piece of gum (with your DNA on it) in the vehicle used for the murder as you leave it at the rental company
- having pictures of yourself with the murder weapon on your cell phone

That is just off the top of my head...I am sure there are some that I am not thinking of right now. And this is just what we know about. I am sure that there will be even more of these examples as the case moves on.

What an idiot. Although I guess rational thought is typically not high up on the list of attributes of most criminals and murderers. He clearly doesn't watch CSI or any of the over-load of crime dramas on TV these days!:rolleyes:
 
huskymedic said:
Ya had to know this was coming...

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Ha, I read the partial embedded youtube title above, and thought it was going to say: "Patriots cut Aaron Hernandez for his hits from the bong"
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
I am guessing that AH is in the Hertz Gold tier for their rewards program!:p
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I've noticed he returns cars less than clean. Perhaps he's knocked down to Silver tier.
 
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UConnSportsGuy said:
AH has to be in the running for the award for the dumbest wannna-be gangster in the world.

A list of just some of his completely moronic moves:

- using rental cars rented in his name for all of his drug running and crimes
- texting both the victim and his 'henchmen' multiple times leading up to the murder
- murdering this person you have hours of being linked to less than a mile from your house
- leaving your cell phone on to track your every move leading up to and after a pre-meditated murder
- going straight from the murder site directly to your home which has multiple security cameras
- commiting the 'hit' not only less than a mile from your house, but also doing it somewhere that has video camera's to see you come and leave
- leaving a spent bullet casing and a chewed up piece of gum (with your DNA on it) in the vehicle used for the murder as you leave it at the rental company
- having pictures of yourself with the murder weapon on your cell phone

That is just off the top of my head...I am sure there are some that I am not thinking of right now. And this is just what we know about. I am sure that there will be even more of these examples as the case moves on.

What an idiot. Although I guess rational thought is typically not high up on the list of attributes of most criminals and murderers. He clearly doesn't watch CSI or any of the over-load of crime dramas on TV these days!:rolleyes:
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To add to this, I read yesterday that Hernandez had security cameras installed at his house recently. I don't know if "recently" meant a year ago, 6 months ago or a few weeks ago. In any event, he knew they were there, but didn't think to turn them off until after committing a crime.

There was a night shift working at the industrial park that he chose for the murder scene. The people working that night heard the gun shots. He didn't even choose a truly abandoned spot to commit the crime, even though he was choosing a location within his own neighborhood. As I read somewhere else, short of wrapping the victim in an autographed Hernandez fathead, he couldn't have done much more to implicate himself.

For all the talk about the "shady characters" he associated with, he apparently didn't bother to consult with any of these people before committing his plan to action. This was a rare situation where knowing people like that may have helped him and he didn't even bother getting their advice.
 
HuskyNan said:
Too soon for this, too. What was this guy thinking?

As folks like to say, when one door closes, another opens up.

In this case, it’s the clink of the cellblock closing in on Aaron Hernandez, and the heavens parting for Tim Tebow.

Hernandez arrest bodes well for Tim Tebow at TE, Orlando Sentinel
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I've mentioned this before; probably to the point of wearing it out, but killing another is not part of the human DNA. Hell most people won't shoot any living thing. We were "warned" of this during six months at the Benning School for Boys. It was a big deal to our TAC Officer. Prior, at AIT (Advanced Individual Training), I overheard or participated in numerous "are you going to be able to do "it" (kill an enemy)?" discussions. Future "killers" questioning their willingness/ability to kill. We (civilized humans, regardless of race, religion, etc.) are not wired to kill; not to mention murder.

I think of this every time there is a situation like Jazz's murder or the current Hernandez situation. When did the act of killing another human being become so matter-of-fact that a man can use a knife so casually or another man can "execute" a former friend for talking to the wrong people? I'm glad I served in an Army with people who question their ability and willingness to kill, and I'd bet significant amounts that it remains the same. I am, however, starting to wonder about an increasing number of civilians.
 
FAIRTIDES said:
I've mentioned this before; probably to the point of wearing it out, but killing another is not part of the human DNA. Hell most people won't shoot any living thing. We were "warned" of this during six months at the Benning School for Boys. It was a big deal to our TAC Officer. Prior, at AIT (Advanced Individual Training), I overheard or participated in numerous "are you going to be able to do "it" (kill an enemy)?" discussions. Future "killers" questioning their willingness/ability to kill. We (civilized humans, regardless of race, religion, etc.) are not wired to kill; not to mention murder.
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This is not true scientifically nor socially, despite what the Army tells you. Show me the science behind this. For the majority of people, yes, they might not be 'wired' to kill. But for others, they are born killers. Humans have been killing each other ad nauseum for centuries, and they won't stop any time soon. Some people enjoy taking lives. The determining quality is the ability to feel empathy for another human.

Many, many humans over the years have been born sociopaths or psychopaths, where they do not have the capability for empathy. For these individuals (who reportedly make up anywhere from 1-10% of the population), killing another human is nothing; it does not register emotionally, or it even registers as pleasure. These individuals also tend to be some of our most charismatic citizens.
 
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In case anyone had any lingering doubts on this one...

Summary of the arraigment from reddit...

The charges:
•Murder
•Carrying a firearm without a license
•Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
•Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:
•Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
•5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
•Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
•Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
•Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
•Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
•Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
•Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernandez's Fiance
•The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
•A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
•Hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
•Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
•at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
•9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
•9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
•The man he was texting and one other showed up at Hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
•Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
•the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on surveillance, phone records and cell tower
•the went from Hernandez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
•at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking marijuana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
•Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
•They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
•during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together Friday night.
•he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
•At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
•at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
•at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
•Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
•between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
•cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
•Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
•Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
•autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
•two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
•at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
•they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
•all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
•later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
•one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
•He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
•At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
•Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
•Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
•They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
•The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a Florida gun store. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
•further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 Hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
•Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
•Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from Hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
•the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment

EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.

EDIT4: Bail appeal hearing going on right now. Live video on NFL Network and ESPN

EDIT 5: apparently yesterday a warrant was issued for a condo in Hernandez's name. 3 boxes of .45 caliber ammo. Hummer registered to Hernandez outside the condo contained a magazine for a .45 handgun. Both the gun in the video seen in Hernandez's hand and the murder weapon were Glocks.

Prosecutor: doesn't want to disclose motive that hasn't already been made public, but there is more than he is saying now. Repeats motive from yesterdays arraignment. victim and defendant had an argument last Friday.

again references conversation in the car with the victim on the night of the murder. Hernandez indicates he is angry with the victim for talking to people Hernandez doesn't like at the club. Doesn't think he can trust him. "Hernandez had the motive and he was the one in control"

Sites this image (I assume it's this image) as an example of what the murder weapon would look like, and as proof he had one.

Judge: evidence circumstantial for sure, but VERY VERY strong.

BAIL DENIED

EDIT 6: Police impound an SUV that may connect Hernandez to 2012 double murder

EDIT 7: Police release wanted poster of 3rd suspect. wanted as an accomplice after the fact. last seen in a silver Chrysler 300 (which is what Hernandez rented when they turned in the car used during the murder)
 
I don't think even the late Johnnie Cochran could save AH. I'd be shocked if one of the two "ride alongs" doesn't turn. He's history.
 
Mots010 said:
EDIT 7: Police release wanted poster of 3rd suspect. wanted as an accomplice after the fact. last seen in a silver Chrysler 300 (which is what Hernandez rented when they turned in the car used during the murder)
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Don't forget this:

pacmanjack 12:20pm via ScribbleLive
A silver Chrysler linked to the Odin Lloyd murder has been recovered in Bristol, Conn. g.scrbliv.me/WDqtIXm
 
sportsart said:
I don't think even the late Johnnie Cochran could save AH. I'd be shocked if one of the two "ride alongs" doesn't turn. He's history.
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The third guy arrested in FL already waived his rights. That's a sign in that direction I would think.
 
huskymedic said:
Don't forget this:

pacmanjack 12:20pm via ScribbleLive
A silver Chrysler linked to the Odin Lloyd murder has been recovered in Bristol, Conn. g.scrbliv.me/WDqtIXm
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How many fun-hating cars did AH rent?? Seriously, this is absurd.

"According to Massachusetts prosecutors, former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez – who has been charged with first-degree murder in Lloyd’s slaying — rented the vehicle the day after Lloyd was shot in order to allow his two alleged accomplices to leave the state."

If only a quarter of what prosecutors claim is true, AH is doing 30+ at minimum*






*note, hyperbole. I'm not a lawyer, so am completely talking out of my ass here.
 
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Someone else here mentioned they wanted to puke when all this went down and that applied to me as well. I could not fathom how AH would execute someone for talking to some other people at a bar and throw his life away. I assumed AH had a beef with these other guys and felt "disrespected" etc in the modern language which in our day was your pride took a hit because either you got your butt kicked or backed down from these other guys. Still made no sense until the possible link to the 2 other killings and the comment "I can't trust anyone anymore". Maybe these other guys were looking for the original shooter? With the other shooting in Febuary it seems that AH has a problem with using a gun to solve his problems and now will spend the rest of his days locked up. Just inexplicable stupidity and lack of self control.
 
intlzncster said:
How many fun-hating cars did AH rent?? Seriously, this is absurd.

"According to Massachusetts prosecutors, former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez – who has been charged with first-degree murder in Lloyd’s slaying — rented the vehicle the day after Lloyd was shot in order to allow his two alleged accomplices to leave the state."

If only a quarter of what prosecutors claim is true, AH is doing 30+ at minimum*






*note, hyperbole. I'm not a lawyer, so am completely talking out of my ass here.
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His only break at this point, is he is only 23. Maybe he'll get out in time for early retirement. However, if he is in trouble with drug gangs, he may not see his next birthday in prison.
 
he rents cheap cars... a damn Altima, atleast get a Maxima
 
hthusky74 said:
His only break at this point, is he is only 23. Maybe he'll get out in time for early retirement. However, if he is in trouble with drug gangs, he may not see his next birthday in prison.
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Because the murderer's union has a great pension plan?
 
hthusky74 said:
His only break at this point, is he is only 23. Maybe he'll get out in time for early retirement. However, if he is in trouble with drug gangs, he may not see his next birthday in prison.
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$20 says you're in the middle of Netflix'ng The Wire.
 
I've stated several times how I had heard about AH smoking dust, and getting into fights going back two years. A thug wannabe I said. I take it back. He was/is a dangerous thug, not thug wannabe gangster. A dangerous, menace to society. A mope, but a danger to society. Shame. No need. Good family/upbringing. Makes you wonder how a kid from Bristol with a lot of positive influences, who came into millions becomes hell bent in trying to become what Tupac talked about in Thug Life.

Innocent into proven guilty, I know, but there is just too much smoke. And the dude with a "public defender" is going to sing like a canary. He either talks or Hernandez's lawyers are going to make him the cause of everything. While arguing that Hernandez had no idea what that dude was going to do.
 
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noeynox said:
I've stated several times how I had heard about AH smoking dust, and getting into fights going back two years. A thug wannabe I said. I take it back. He was/is a dangerous thug, not thug wannabe gangster. A dangerous, menace to society. A mope, but a danger to society. Shame. No need. Good family/upbringing. Makes you wonder how a kid from Bristol with a lot of positive influences, who came into millions becomes hell bent in trying to become what Tupac talked about in Thug Life.

Innocent into proven guilty, I know, but there is just too much smoke. And the dude with a "public defender" is going to sing like a canary. He either talks or Hernandez's lawyers are going to make him the cause of everything. While arguing that Hernandez had no idea what that dude was going to do.
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I'd "like" your well placed and proper use of the word "mope" 5,000x if I could.
 
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