Hernandez charged with murder

[DaddyChoc]

why do people think drugs sales and gang involvement is what AH is involved in?

 

[HuskyNan]

why do people think drugs sales and gang involvement is what AH is involved in?

The guy he's alleged to have shot in the face in Florida, supposedly a friend of his, is a drug dealer and there have been some rumors of Hernandez being a drug user. Hernandez also failed drug tests at Florida, which were hushed up (Nice job there. How about intervention & help for a troubled young man, Florida? Hello?) There have also been reports that Hernandez has been in a gang in Bristol.

 

[noeynox]

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/aaron-hernandez-seems-flash-sign-bristol-blood-gang-connecticut-1945185/

 

[traitor71]

The guy he's alleged to have shot in the face in Florida, supposedly a friend of his, is a drug dealer and there have been some rumors of Hernandez being a drug user. Hernandez also failed drug tests at Florida, which were hushed up (Nice job there. How about intervention & help for a troubled young man, Florida? Hello?) There have also been reports that Hernandez has been in a gang in Bristol.

Florida was too busy letting Urban Meyer go on about how they recruited the "top 1% of the top 1%". People actually fell for that garbage too. Even as Florida had arrest after arrest of every possible sort, people billed it as some great place simply because they had the greatest front man in history, Tim Tebow. The fraud that was running that program wasn't interested in helping anyone other than himself.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

This is not true scientifically nor socially, despite what the Army tells you. Show me the science behind this. For the majority of people, yes, they might not be 'wired' to kill. But for others, they are born killers. Humans have been killing each other ad nauseum for centuries, and they won't stop any time soon. Some people enjoy taking lives. The determining quality is the ability to feel empathy for another human.

Many, many humans over the years have been born sociopaths or psychopaths, where they do not have the capability for empathy. For these individuals (who reportedly make up anywhere from 1-10% of the population), killing another human is nothing; it does not register emotionally, or it even registers as pleasure. These individuals also tend to be some of our most charismatic citizens.

Of course we produce a number of psycho/sociopaths. The evidence of same is overwhelming; although I continue to believe that "the 10% is evil" is much too high. As far as "science" is concerned, it is my understanding that, post WW II, the military surveyed/debriefed a sampling of combat infantrymen (grunts) and found that a significant number avoided killing.

In any event, Jazz's murder, the Hernandez allegations and similar circumstance will continue to trouble me because of the matter-of-fact, casualness of the acts, and I'll continue to believe that ninety-percent plus of the race is repulsed by the casual taking of human life. Soap Box has been put away.

 

[UCPusky]

And DJ is now starting to feel the effects of his brother's noteriety.

http://www.courant.com/community/we...hernandez-fight-0702-20130701,0,4094930.story

 

[hthusky74]

And DJ is now starting to feel the effects of his brother's noteriety.

http://www.courant.com/community/we...hernandez-fight-0702-20130701,0,4094930.story

Boy that really sucks. I hope his buddies beat the living crap out of the big mouth. However, it might have been better if they didn't. I'm sure they were just defending their friend who knew enough not to get involved.

 

[Jax Husky]

Boy that really sucks. I hope his buddies beat the living crap out of the big mouth. However, it might have been better if they didn't. I'm sure they were just defending their friend who knew enough not to get involved.

The big mouths likely deserved it, but if I were DJ, I would have told my friends to stand down. He has too much to lose.

 

[huskysupporter]

The big mouths likely deserved it, but if I were DJ, I would have told my friends to stand down. He has too much to lose.

Exactly. He needs to keep a low profile while he is here. Probably not a good idea to go to a diner at 3:00 AM where you are sure to run into some drunken idiot(s) with a loud mouth and beer muscles.

I really feel bad for him, and I could see how he would react to someone calling out his brother's name. But he has to keep himself away from those situations.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Coddling...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323297504578579841842413024.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

Something could, and should, have been done earlier

 

[sportsart]

Coddling...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323297504578579841842413024.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

Something could, and should, have been done earlier

Sucker punched the guy. Signs of a punk early.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Sucker punched the guy. Signs of a punk early.

Exactly. No consequences. Ridiculous. Something should have been done long before this happened. Punishment, counseling, etc.... Instead, Urban thought that NOTHING was the best way to go. And you can be pretty darn sure that he had something (likely everything) to do with the lack of consequences.

If everyone was treated this way, the world would be a much scarier place than it already is.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

I will probably regret typing this message, but I am going to write it anyway.

I know that DJ Hernandez is loved around here and we all hold him in high esteem (myself included). But we all keep blaming Urban Meyer, the NFL, Florida, and everyone else for not stepping in and showing some discipline and tough love to AH to get him on the right track. Why does DJ get off here with absolutely no criticism?

He is the older brother (who AH looked up to by all accounts) and had to know that AH was not on the right path (he probably didn't know the full extent of what AH was doing, but I am sure he knew about the guns, mutliple run-ins with the law, drug involvement, many bad intentioned 'entourage', etc). At what point does DJ need to take some responsibility for not stepping in and trying to set his brother right. Obviously that is an extremely difficult thing to do...and for all we know, maybe he tried. But I see everyone here blaming Urban Meyer (and rightfully so) and everyone else that was involved with AH. But at the end of the day, the people who are most responsible for trying to take 'intervene' in a person who is ruining their life, is their own family. We all know that the Hernandez family is a good family and they are being portrayed as victims here...but at what point is it on them for not trying to set AH right?

 

[noeynox]

What? AH, made his own decision to go to UF, where it appears he further embraced the guns and thuggery. What the hell was dj to do when he is in storrs and little bro is in florida? I don't blame Meyer for anything. AH was a means to an end for him to help him win games which he did. That he cared or was some father figure to AH, IS THE ONLY THING that is laughable.

 

[Adios]

There's only so much a family can do, especially when the person is a grown adult. It really is amazing how much UF swept under the rug. If Aaron never lost his father, all this would never have happened and he would have played at UConn. But at the same time, he still had so many reasons to be grateful. Entitlement obviously ruins minds.

 

[noeynox]

Just to add, AH and DJ, weren't kids that came from effed up backgrounds, they had supportive family/involved parents. One turned out all right, one didn't. Happens sometimes. Only person to blame is AH himself. You want to act like a millionaire gangsta, that is not gonna face consequences? There you go bra.

 

[YearoftheHusky]

I will probably regret typing this message, but I am going to write it anyway.

I know that DJ Hernandez is loved around here and we all hold him in high esteem (myself included). But we all keep blaming Urban Meyer, the NFL, Florida, and everyone else for not stepping in and showing some discipline and tough love to AH to get him on the right track. Why does DJ get off here with absolutely no criticism?

He is the older brother (who AH looked up to by all accounts) and had to know that AH was not on the right path (he probably didn't know the full extent of what AH was doing, but I am sure he knew about the guns, mutliple run-ins with the law, drug involvement, many bad intentioned 'entourage', etc). At what point does DJ need to take some responsibility for not stepping in and trying to set his brother right. Obviously that is an extremely difficult thing to do...and for all we know, maybe he tried. But I see everyone here blaming Urban Meyer (and rightfully so) and everyone else that was involved with AH. But at the end of the day, the people who are most responsible for trying to take 'intervene' in a person who is ruining their life, is their own family. We all know that the Hernandez family is a good family and they are being portrayed as victims here...but at what point is it on them for not trying to set AH right?

Who is to say that he didn't? DJ, by all accounts, wanted Aaron at UConn. At some point Aaron needs to be accountable for the decisions he made. Awful, sickening decisions... and not just the one to go to UF.

 

[intlzncster]

Exactly. No consequences. Ridiculous. Something should have been done long before this happened. Punishment, counseling, etc.... Instead, Urban thought that NOTHING was the best way to go. And you can be pretty darn sure that he had something (likely everything) to do with the lack of consequences.

If everyone was treated this way, the world would be a much scarier place than it already is.

I'm not necessarily defending Hernandez, but he was definitely targeted here. Most big time college football players are targets. See below. He was also only 17 at the time; not a lot of sense in most 17 year olds, even less in Ahern apparently. That said, a sucker punch is not on.

Hernandez said he hadn't ordered the drinks and refused to pay, at which point a "verbal altercation" began between the two men. Hernandez called a witness over to try to intervene, but a resolution couldn't be reached. Hernandez was told to leave and escorted out by Taphorn.

After stepping outside, according to the report, Hernandez told police Taphorn "got in his face" and began yelling at him. As Taphorn turned to walk away, Hernandez punched him in the side of the head—a fact Hernandez did not dispute.

 

[intlzncster]

Just to add, AH and DJ, weren't kids that came from effed up backgrounds, they had supportive family/involved parents. One turned out all right, one didn't. Happens sometimes. Only person to blame is AH himself. You want to act like a millionaire gangsta, that is not gonna face consequences? There you go bra.

Well, as we know, AH lost his dad unexpectedly when he was what 15 or 16, an impressionable kid to say the least. DJ was 21 or so at the time and fully involved in D1 college football. He was more mature and had more discipline to deal with the situation. Most people connected say that his fathers death was the turning point for AH.

 

[mattp]

What? AH, made his own decision to go to UF, where it appears he further embraced the guns and thuggery. What the hell was dj to do when he is in storrs and little bro is in florida?.

Everyone's been assuming that AH embraced this gang lifestyle in Florida, but lately I've been wondering if he left CT to get away from whatever thuggery he was involved in in Bristol. Apparently his thugs aren't from Florida, they're from his home town. I think it's perfectly plausible that leaving CT was the best thing for him, and maybe the worst thing that could have happened was for him to get drafted by the Pats (or maybe a NY team) because it kept him around Bristol

 

[huskymedic]

Exactly. No consequences. Ridiculous. Something should have been done long before this happened. Punishment, counseling, etc.... Instead, Urban thought that NOTHING was the best way to go. And you can be pretty darn sure that he had something (likely everything) to do with the lack of consequences.

If everyone was treated this way, the world would be a much scarier place than it already is.

Tebow's Fault...

@NESN: Aaron Hernandez Live Blog: Tim Tebow Convinced Hernandez to Play at Florida Rather Than UConn: wp.me/p2AlCJ-OFx

and...

"Tim Tebow tried to stop Aaron Hernandez from getting into a violent bar fight in 2007 while both were football players at the University of Florida, according to Gainesville police records"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...-hernandez-bar-fight-07022013,0,6747621.story

Can't make this stuff up...

 

[intlzncster]

Everyone's been assuming that AH embraced this gang lifestyle in Florida, but lately I've been wondering if he left CT to get away from whatever thuggery he was involved in in Bristol. Apparently his thugs aren't from Florida, they're from his home town. I think it's perfectly plausible that leaving CT was the best thing for him, and maybe the worst thing that could have happened was for him to get drafted by the Pats (or maybe a NY team) because it kept him around Bristol

I've also read that he moved from CT because he wanted to get away from the whole father passing away thing. A fresh start and all that.

Who knows? The police recently said that they are not concerned with his tatoos in relation to gang activity. Additionally, fwiw, AH has claimed to the police that he was not affiliated with any gang or gang activity. If not, that makes his actions all that more ridiculous.

 

[Jax Husky]

There's only so much a family can do, especially when the person is a grown adult. It really is amazing how much UF swept under the rug. If Aaron never lost his father, all this would never have happened and he would have played at UConn. But at the same time, he still had so many reasons to be grateful. Entitlement obviously ruins minds.

And these are just the incidents surrounding one player that were swept under the rug. Imagine the breadth of the cover ups for the remaining 100 players. Makes me proud of how (my original team, LSU) handles these things. Kicked Mathieu right off the team after a few failed attempts at forcing him to recover. You have to take a hard line on these kids. Urban Meyer, apparently, took no line. Pathetic excuse for a mentor of young men.

 

[intlzncster]

And these are just the incidents surrounding one player that were swept under the rug. Imagine the breadth of the cover ups for the remaining 100 players. Makes me proud of how (my original team, LSU) handles these things. Kicked Mathieu right off the team after a few failed attempts at forcing him to recover. You have to take a hard line on these kids. Urban Meyer, apparently, took no line. Pathetic excuse for a mentor of young men.

A few? Dude had more chances than Pac Man. what was is it 4 or 5 that we know about? No major D1 program ain't smelly.

 

[Jax Husky]

A few? Dude had more chances than Pac Man. what was is it 4 or 5 that we know about? No major D1 program ain't smelly.

I agree to an extent, but the point was, they drew a line. He had also been suspended before, and his issues were smoking weed. No gun stiff, no fights. There are consequences under many coaches/programs. Saban, Les Miles, Edsall, are all coaches that hold you accountable. UConn doesn't allow players to get away with that either. Meyer suspended AHern for a HALF of a game against Hawaii. That was the extent of punishment for all of the incidents we are now seeing. If you are going to suspend a guy, suspend him.