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freescooter said:
Some grew up in what would be called tough neighborhoods for sure. Certainly comparable to Bristol or worse. this guy clearly had other problems. I am open to considering that he was the real bad guy, not necessarily his friends. In other words, he attracted the thugs, not the other way around.
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I haven't let go of the theory that he's a psychopath. I mean, he kinda fits the bill. He's very charismatic and likeable. Overly arrogant (as displayed by his lack of care in potentially committing murder -- and the carelessness with which he allegedly committed the act). Almost seems to want to get caught by living on the edge. Calm, cool, collected and polite with the police. Went 'cold' when his father died (apparently); zero grieving.

Just a working hypothesis.
 
J187Money said:
Sociopath.
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A question of whether it's environmental or genetic. Sociopaths don't tend to murder the duck out of people. He also fits the bill of psychopath to a greater degree.

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The talk by Patriot players that he was a loner speaks volumes.

Unfortunately by the time this plays out it will be, at the very least, a made for HBO movie.
 
intlzncster said:
A question of whether it's environmental or genetic. Sociopaths don't tend to murder the out of people. He also fits the bill of psychopath to a greater degree.

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I stand corrected. Thx.
 
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J187Money said:
I stand corrected. Thx.
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Ah, no worries man. Those two words are thrown around in the media without any regard for what they mean. I didn't get it until I was confused one time and looked it up. Sociopath is more like certain Wall Street executives or politicians.

And honestly, it's just kind of an interesting hypothesis. Might not be true in the least. Of one thing there is no doubt. Dude has a screw loose.
 
intlzncster said:
Ah, no worries man. Those two words are thrown around in the media without any regard for what they mean. I didn't get it until I was confused one time and looked it up. Sociopath is more like certain Wall Street executives or politicians.

And honestly, it's just kind of an interesting hypothesis. Might not be true in the least. Of one thing there is no doubt. Dude has a screw loose.
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I don't think anyone can say he doesn't fit the psychopath label.

When I read he was a loner with the Patriots it caught my attention. I thought football players at all levels were team oriented and hung out on and off the field.

I suspect more stories about his personality will be forthcoming.
 
sportsart said:
I don't think anyone can say he doesn't fit the psychopath label.

When I read he was a loner with the Patriots it caught my attention. I thought football players at all levels were team oriented and hung out on and off the field.

I suspect more stories about his personality will be forthcoming.
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I want a real psych evaluation. Unfortunately, I doubt a credible one will be provided in court. Both sides will have their go to guy who'll respectively point to the opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
In respect for the deceased I have held off posting this, but the biggest media myth in this whole Hernandez thing, is how everything fell apart when the father died. The father was no stranger to police investigations involving stolen property during his college years.
 
Chief00 said:
In respect for the deceased I have held off posting this, but the biggest media myth in this whole Hernandez thing, is how everything fell apart when the father died. The father was no stranger to police investigations involving stolen property during his college years.
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Yes, because stolen property eventually leads to triple homicides just about every time.
 
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intlzncster said:
Yes, because stolen property eventually leads to triple homicides just about every time.
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But a parents disregard for the law, or lack of displaying right or wrong with their own actions, usually leads to their children showing no regard for the law. With all that's come out about other relatives having brushes with the law, I am having my doubts about this "good up bringing" thing. If DJ really is as grounded as he appears to be, he may be the black sheep of the family. Just my opinion.
 
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Devland said:
But a parents disregard for the law, or lack of displaying right or wrong with their own actions, usually leads to their children showing no regard for the law. With all that's come out about other relatives having brushes with the law, I am having my doubts about this "good up bringing" thing. If DJ really is as grounded as he appears to be, he may be the black sheep of the family. Just my opinion.
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Well, the mother appears to be quite normal/nice. And I would argue that it is not about disregard for the law when it comes to killing someone, it's about being a human being with empathy for others. Stealing or lack of respect for law has nothing to do with that.
 
Aaron Hernandez Psychological Profile: Liked 'Living On Edge'

A scouting service that draws up confidential psychological profiles of NFL prospects said in 2010 that Florida's Aaron Hernandez could become "a problem" for his team and enjoyed "living on the edge of acceptable behavior."

Hernandez, the former New England Patriots tight end now jailed on a first-degree murder charge, scored a 1 out of 10 in "social maturity," despite receiving a 10 for "focus," and 9's for "self-efficacy" and "receptivity to coaching."

The psychological report said he might get along well with most of his teammates, but "will find very little time to help them." It added that his responses "suggest he enjoys living on the edge of acceptable behavior and that he may be prone to partying too much and doing questionable things that could be seen as a problem for him and his team."

http://www.courant.com/sports/footb...ndez-evaluation-0704-20130703,0,4861907.story
 
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intlzncster said:
Well, the mother appears to be quite normal/nice. And I would argue that it is not about disregard for the law when it comes to killing someone, it's about being a human being with empathy for others. Stealing or lack of respect for law has nothing to do with that.
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I met his dad's sister and niece. Seemed like very nice people. To me, it appears AH was attracted to the gang/life activity and going to UF where some of his early incidents appear to have been covered up was the worst thing to happen. It really appears he became more brazen given what he could get away with due to his celebrity athlete status. The end result appears very ugly.
 
noeynox said:
I met his dad's sister and niece. Seemed like very nice people. To me, it appears AH was attracted to the gang/life activity and going to UF where some of his early incidents appear to have been covered up was the worst thing to happen. It really appears he became more brazen given what he could get away with due to his celebrity athlete status. The end result appears very ugly.
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Well he'll probably have the rest of his life to ponder it in his cell. Every day he'll be thinking "I had $40million, wtf did I do?"
 
hthusky74 said:
Well he'll probably have the rest of his life to ponder it in his cell. Every day he'll be thinking "I had $40million, wtf did I do?"
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How about, I was free to eat, sleep, and on my own terms. Now I can't, wtf did I do?
 
If I was rich enough to have a separate apartment just for my shady stuff I wouldn't it up.
 
Easiest way to differentiate psychopaths and sociopaths: sociopaths simply don't care about the harm they cause other people through their behavior. Psychopaths actually gain enjoyment out of it.

This isn't a nature (genes) vs nurture (environment) debate. That debate doesn't even really exist anymore. It is fairly generally accepted that there is a constant two-way street where we can be born with certain genes that can predispose us to certain behavior, but those genes need to be activated by the proper environment. That's still not to say AH was born with any kind of "killer" gene(s). Teenage kids' brains are absolutely crazy. Spend a few hours learning some teenage dev psych and you'll understand and appreciate what I'm getting at here. The teenage brain is not fit to handle the chemical changes that go on. The behavior inhibition just isn't there to counteract the new found thirst for risk seeking yet. It's an incredibly easy way to start down the wrong path, which, as we may one day learn, is all it has to take. This is how 13 year olds from rich families get in to heroin and dealing in schools and we scratch our heads and wonder how.

No, not every kid who loses his father turns in to a murderer. But that's not how it works. A nice young kid doesn't just decide to start killing people after he watches his dad get lowered in to the ground. We know that his kind of situation (loss of father/wisdom/disciplinary figure) easily leads kids to gang activity, where certain attitudes and behaviors are encouraged and glorified. Add in the invulnerability he's probably felt most of his life from being a star athlete, it's easy to see that this could have been a perfect storm of conditions.

This is not an excuse for his actions. Anyone who has no problem killing people has no place in society. This can, however, explain the sequence that led to his actions. Anyone calling AH scum of the earth and blah blah are ignorant.
 
babysheep said:
Easiest way to differentiate psychopaths and sociopaths: sociopaths simply don't care about the harm they cause other people through their behavior. Psychopaths actually gain enjoyment out of it.

This isn't a nature (genes) vs nurture (environment) debate. That debate doesn't even really exist anymore. It is fairly generally accepted that there is a constant two-way street where we can be born with certain genes that can predispose us to certain behavior, but those genes need to be activated by the proper environment. That's still not to say AH was born with any kind of "killer" gene(s). Teenage kids' brains are absolutely crazy. Spend a few hours learning some teenage dev psych and you'll understand and appreciate what I'm getting at here. The teenage brain is not fit to handle the chemical changes that go on. The behavior inhibition just isn't there to counteract the new found thirst for risk seeking yet. It's an incredibly easy way to start down the wrong path, which, as we may one day learn, is all it has to take. This is how 13 year olds from rich families get in to heroin and dealing in schools and we scratch our heads and wonder how.

No, not every kid who loses his father turns in to a murderer. But that's not how it works. A nice young kid doesn't just decide to start killing people after he watches his dad get lowered in to the ground. We know that his kind of situation (loss of father/wisdom/disciplinary figure) easily leads kids to gang activity, where certain attitudes and behaviors are encouraged and glorified. Add in the invulnerability he's probably felt most of his life from being a star athlete, it's easy to see that this could have been a perfect storm of conditions.

This is not an excuse for his actions. Anyone who has no problem killing people has no place in society. This can, however, explain the sequence that led to his actions. Anyone calling AH scum of the earth and blah blah are ignorant.
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Call me ignorant then because AH is the scum of the scum of the earth.

Aaron Hernandez and this psycho babble about his Dad's passing being responsible for his behavior. I grew up with a Dad who would get home and literally punch me in the face if I struck out in a Little League game. I'm talking 9-10 years old.

I may be a little screwed up because of my childhood but I'm also compassionate, succesful and driven in spite of it.

Bottom line is certain people man up or they don't. 81's a fcking coward. Stop making excuses for that fcking lump.

Lets blame Aaron Hernandez, not society and certainly not the untimely death of his father.
 
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babysheep said:
Easiest way to differentiate psychopaths and sociopaths: sociopaths simply don't care about the harm they cause other people through their behavior. Psychopaths actually gain enjoyment out of it.

This isn't a nature (genes) vs nurture (environment) debate. That debate doesn't even really exist anymore. It is fairly generally accepted that there is a constant two-way street where we can be born with certain genes that can predispose us to certain behavior, but those genes need to be activated by the proper environment. That's still not to say AH was born with any kind of "killer" gene(s). Teenage kids' brains are absolutely crazy. Spend a few hours learning some teenage dev psych and you'll understand and appreciate what I'm getting at here. The teenage brain is not fit to handle the chemical changes that go on. The behavior inhibition just isn't there to counteract the new found thirst for risk seeking yet. It's an incredibly easy way to start down the wrong path, which, as we may one day learn, is all it has to take. This is how 13 year olds from rich families get in to heroin and dealing in schools and we scratch our heads and wonder how.
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Psychopaths and sociopaths are two different animals in this regard. Psychopaths often display tendencies before the age of 7, despite rearing. Sociopath is closer to a 'choice', given a certain biological component, while psychopath are far less so. Often, serial killers come from normal childhoods/backgrounds [eg Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Eric Harris, Richard Storlett, Paul Bernardo, Cary Staynor, et al] with no evidence of abuse. This article has a good description of the topic with reference to the nature/nurture debate above. It is still alive and well, although it is no longer either/or (and shouldn't be).

From another article:

It is also appears that the causes of psychopathy and sociopathy are quite different. It is likely that psychopathy is the result of “nature” (genetics) while sociopathy is the result of “nurture” (environment). According to the late David Lykken, a behavioral geneticist known for his studies on twins, psychopathy is related to a physiological defect that results in the underdevelopment of the part of the brain responsible for impulse control and emotions. Sociopathy, on the other hand, is more the product of childhood traumas and abuse. [LINK]

There's a strong biological strong component to psychopathy, and often rearing makes absolutely no difference. The parts of the brain requiring normal function just aren't there (do not work).

In the past several years studies of brain activity in individuals meeting the criteria for psychopathy have yielded some groundbreaking findings. CAT scans reveal that with psychopaths, areas of the brain typically associated with emotion, especially the integration of emotion with other mental constructs, do not operate in the same manner as they do with normal individuals. Show most people a picture of something typically associated with a sentiment (e.g., a wedding ceremony), and areas of the brain that process information about the event as well as areas of the brain involved in emotion both show activity. But show the same image to a psychopath, and although the area of the brain recognizing the image or event is active, the area of the brain typically associated with an emotional response appears dormant. Other brains studies measuring different aspects of the integration of emotions with other human experiences have shown the same abnormalities when it comes to psychopaths.

Very interesting discussion.
 
formerlurker said:
Call me ignorant then because AH is the scum of the scum of the earth.

Aaron Hernandez and this psycho babble about his Dad's passing being responsible for his behavior. I grew up with a Dad who would get home and literally punch me in the face if I struck out in a Little League game. I'm talking 9-10 years old.

I may be a little screwed up because of my childhood but I'm also compassionate, succesful and driven in spite of it.

Bottom line is certain people man up or they don't. 81's a fcking coward. Stop making excuses for that fcking lump.

Lets blame Aaron Hernandez, not society and certainly not the untimely death of his father.
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You also likely don't have a genetic predisposition to having zero empathy for others, nor completely lack the capacity whatsoever. You can be born a monster, regardless of circumstance (Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Bundy etc - see post above).

I'm certainly not feeling sorry for the guy of course. He's scum, and there's not much to say of the contrary.
 
While I respect the discussion intlz, and sheep are trying to have, some dudes just see scarface once and think damn he's the man. I dont know it to be true, but to me ah fancied himself a boss and thought he could keep getting away with this shut due to status.
 
formerlurker said:
Call me ignorant then because AH is the scum of the scum of the earth.

Aaron Hernandez and this psycho babble about his Dad's passing being responsible for his behavior. I grew up with a Dad who would get home and literally punch me in the face if I struck out in a Little League game. I'm talking 9-10 years old.

I may be a little screwed up because of my childhood but I'm also compassionate, succesful and driven in spite of it.

Bottom line is certain people man up or they don't. 81's a fcking coward. Stop making excuses for that fcking lump.

Lets blame Aaron Hernandez, not society and certainly not the untimely death of his father.
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Either your reading comp is awful or you don't know basic human developmental psychology. Ignorance.
 
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