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Stairmaster said:
I don't have the numbers at hand, but the university's AD is in far more dire financial straits now than it was at the time the contract was signed. With both decreased ticket revenue in BB and FB and the ever-increasing revenue gap between the P5 and others, Ollie will be the last UConn head coach who gets that kind of money.
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Buying Ollie out for 600k and paying Konkol $1m would actually save the athletic department money. And if Konkol has 3 great years then leaves us... at least our brand will be restored at least a little bit.
 
Again, Ollie deserves this season to prove us wrong. Then we'll see.
But UConn would need to shoot for the stars with a head coach. Ed Cooley is the best/most realistic suggestion I've heard. I would totally be down with that if this season is a fail.
Avery Johnson? Mark Jackson? Maybe I'm too optimistic...
 
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Matrim55 said:
Buying Ollie out for 600k and paying Konkol $1m would actually save the athletic department money. And if Konkol has 3 great years then leaves us... at least our brand will be restored at least a little bit.
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The question is, does Konkol get more than that somewhere else? Or does he garner interest from schools with much easier situations?

I will piss a bunch of people off by saying this, but this is a high-risk/low-reward job here. A mid-level P5 school gives a guy like Konkol many more locational recruiting advantages, as well as a lower margin for in-season error due to better in-conference competition/P5 media boost.

There is a reason JC is the best basketball coach of all time. Building UConn into a blue-blood program was nothing short of a herculean effort. Conference realignment and the struggles of the past few years have made this a far more difficult rebuilding job than most are comfortable admitting.
 
Stairmaster said:
The question is, does Konkol get more than that somewhere else? Or does he garner interest from schools with much easier situations?

I will piss a bunch of people off by saying this, but this is a high-risk/low-reward job here. A mid-level P5 school gives a guy like Konkol many more locational recruiting advantages, as well as a lower margin for in-season error due to better in-conference competition/P5 media boost.

There is a reason JC is the best basketball coach of all time. Building UConn into a blue-blood program was nothing short of a herculean effort. Conference realignment and the struggles of the past few years have made this a far more difficult rebuilding job than most are comfortable admitting.
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Please stop with this idiocy.
 
Horatio said:
Geno won't help the poor shooting. No one can
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Recruiting great shooters would help. Ollie has recruited for 3-4 years now and we have not had one on the roster. That's telling, especially since everyone in CT knew its was one of our weaknesses. Shooters don't have to be 4-5 star recruits, just the ability to make uncontested jumpers.

Like a punter on a football team, worth giving up a schollie or two, for a specialist(s). Right now we have no one and Larrier refuses to assume that role with his obsession for dribbling and then trying to create shots. Even the bench is empty of a shooter.

So if we get down double digits, we have no one to turn to, to cut the lead.

Calhoun always kept one or two on his rosters.
 
superjohn said:
Please stop with this idiocy.
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It's not idiocy. You're blind to the truth. Take off your blue-colored glasses.

How is it that I'm the one who has to tell you how far this program has fallen/how screwed it is when you don't see it?
 
Stairmaster said:
I don't have the numbers at hand, but the university's AD is in far more dire financial straits now than it was at the time the contract was signed. With both decreased ticket revenue in BB and FB and the ever-increasing revenue gap between the P5 and others, Ollie will be the last UConn head coach who gets that kind of money.
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They just extended it last year.
The fact is, they have already budgeted 3 mill per for the BB coach.
If the buyout is only 600,000 that is barely a dent. They would be able to attract a boatload of good candidates with that kind of money
 
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Stairmaster said:
It's not idiocy. You're blind to the truth. Take off your blue-colored glasses.

How is it that I'm the one who has to tell you how far this program has fallen/how screwed it is when you don't see it?
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I almost want Ollie fired just so SJ ( and others) see what we end up with. I’m spiteful like that :-)
 
Stairmaster said:
It's not idiocy. You're blind to the truth. Take off your blue-colored glasses.

How is it that I'm the one who has to tell you how far this program has fallen/how screwed it is when you don't see it?
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If we want Eric Konkol we would get Eric Konkol. I'm not going to get into it any further, this is stupid.
 
August_West said:
I almost want Ollie fired just so SJ ( and others) see what we end up with.
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They're living in a fantasy land. If thinking that people would knock down the door to coach here if the opportunity opened up makes them cope with their frustration, then bless their hearts.
 
Stairmaster said:
They're living in a fantasy land. If thinking that people would knock down the door to coach here if the opportunity opened up makes them cope with their frustration, then bless their hearts.
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The guy whoever he is may in fact end up being better than KO. No problem admitting that, but it won’t be who people think we are able to get. It’s going to be way risky.
 
Stairmaster said:
They're living in a fantasy land. If thinking that people would knock down the door to coach here if the opportunity opened up makes them cope with their frustration, then bless their hearts.
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Yep, I'm the one living in fantasy land. I told you the deal with Ollie last season and have had to still listen to you and 90% of the board tell me I'm wrong, crazy, too negative, have a vendetta, etc.
 
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superjohn said:
That's the reason Benedict has Ollie on watch and he had a very serious talk with him after last season. We can still get a big time coach but the longer we suck the harder that becomes.
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Benedict needs to fire him and his staff tomorrow, in order to both respect and protect what UCONN brand the school has left. Every loss going forward digs the hole ten feet deeper. Question is who does Benedict look at to replace KO...

1) Pitino....forget it he's too busy looking for hookers
2) Steve Pickiel
3) Tom Crean...hmm...and an excellent recruiter
 
superjohn said:
Yep, I'm the one living in fantasy land. I told you the deal with Ollie last season and have had to still listen to you and 90% of the board tell me I'm wrong, crazy, too negative, have a vendetta, etc.
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At this point, my only gripe is that you don't understand that our bed has been made for us already. There is no savior coming, and that's just how it is.
 
Stairmaster said:
The question is, does Konkol get more than that somewhere else? Or does he garner interest from schools with much easier situations?

I will piss a bunch of people off by saying this, but this is a high-risk/low-reward job here.
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I actually think this is more a low-risk, high-reward situation now. After you get waxed by Michigan State's final 10 minutes, then respond with a 35 point loss on national TV a year after your first losing season in 30 there's pressure, but lower initial expectations. If you can coach at all and relate to today's players you can point to the banners and you should be able to attract some recruits.
 
Ollie didn't miss a shot. This was a bad loss but one loss and nothing more.
 
Stairmaster said:
At this point, my only gripe is that you don't understand that our bed has been made for us already. There is no savior coming, and that's just how it is.
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No one's asking for a savior, just a better coach. Pretending like that's not a possibility is juvenile.
Doctor Hoop said:
I actually think this is more a low-risk, high-reward situation now. After you get waxed by Michigan State's final 10 minutes, then respond with a 35 point loss on national TV a year after your first losing season in 30 there's pressure, but lower initial expectations. If you can coach at all and relate to today's players you can point to the banners and you should be able to attract some recruits.
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Agree 100%. Ollie's in the midst of the worst 3-year run at this school in decades, and he's maaaaaybe on the hot seat? And he's still able to pull in a top 10 recruiting class?

That's the definition of low-risk, high-reward.
 
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August_West said:
The guy whoever he is may in fact end up being better than KO. No problem admitting that, but it won’t be who people think we are able to get. It’s going to be way risky.
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What is the risk? We might miss the NCAAs again? We might lose to Arkansas by 50? Our program hasn't even sniffed relevance since 2014.
 
Doctor Hoop said:
I actually think this is more a low-risk, high-reward situation now. After you get waxed by Michigan State's final 10 minutes, then respond with a 35 point loss on national TV a year after your first losing season in 30 there's pressure, but lower initial expectations. If you can coach at all and relate to today's players you can point to the banners and you should be able to attract some recruits.
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Those banners are mattering less and less. Look at the programs who are hot when it comes to recruiting at the moment - Oregon, LSU, Wake Forest?

The high-risk is having to pick up those pieces and deal with all of the negative attention coming out of here. Anyone who coaches at UConn has to pretty much run the table when it comes to OOC (at least against big names) in order to have any chance of receiving an at-large bid. Every loss to a team not named Cincinnati or Wichita State in-conference is a huge blemish on a resume as well. They will clearly not be able to recruit as well as they would in a better conference.

The low-reward? Getting bumped 3-4 seed lines below an equivalent performance in a different conference, and not getting the same credit that UConn teams used to get after the past few years burned through goodwill with the media (which, to be quite honest, was never fully there for reasons we won't go into).
 
Rico444 said:
What is the risk? We might miss the NCAAs again? We might lose to Arkansas by 50? Our program hasn't even sniffed relevance since 2014.
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Obviously if you need to fire him, you do it. But that has to be coupled with acceptance of the possibility that things won't improve by as much as people hope them to.
 
Doctor Hoop said:
I actually think this is more a low-risk, high-reward situation now. After you get waxed by Michigan State's final 10 minutes, then respond with a 35 point loss on national TV a year after your first losing season in 30 there's pressure, but lower initial expectations. If you can coach at all and relate to today's players you can point to the banners and you should be able to attract some recruits.
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Yeah, right genius, and then the low risk high reward is teaching them how to drive to the basket without making a pass or an assist for the whole dam game.
 
Danzz said:
Ollie didn't miss a shot. This was a bad loss but one loss and nothing more.
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Maybe. Maybe not.
In the rearview mirror in a few weeks your conclusion may be borne out.
I think it's also possible that the beating that we just witnessed will eventually be seen as the clear beginning of the end of the Ollie Era.
 
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