Here's a shocker - the TV contract will suck.

[uconnbill]

Sorry I don't believe this for a minute. More spin and bull crap from the media who has destroyed the Big East...Man do I hate ESPN the ......

 

[uconnbill]

Dude, he didn't actually say that.

You need to be a lot faster on the uptake.

But, no question, ESPN took the Big East for a ride, left the gun and took the cannoli.

I like to wood chipper the entire ESPN complex the rat bastords

 

[buggsy]

let me hit you right between the eyes so this doesnt fly over yor head... rutgers is the definition of mediocre.
they are a good school, in a great location, that has a long history. and now they are sitting on the winning lottery ticket. do not confuse any of that with any meaningful success on the field in any sport.

Nice try to minimize my school...but I don't agree.

 

[uconnbill]

Not weird. Rutgers was a Co-Winner of the Big East. Louisville won the tie-breaker which determines who goes to the BCS game...but RU gets a championship nonetheless. Weird, UCONN has two co-championships in football....so I would think you would be familiar with how this works.

Yeah two compared to one. I know how it goes

 

[upstater]

I felt that way until I was told that they way the BTN contracts with cable carriers are written, the fee goes from $0.10 to $1.00 per sub if a team is added to the conference that is within the DMA.

It's in the contract.

Rutgers isn't in NYC.
What is the DMA for New Brunswick?
Because I'll tell you this, whatever DMA Centre County, PA. is in, it's not doing squat for half the state of PA. which hasn't gone to max payout on BTN. Penn State can't pull them in. But Rutgers can?

 

[Fishy]

And this is relevant how?

By the way, you need to add UConn's tier3 and licensing for coach's shows and the like to UConn's take. In the B1G, that is all owned by Delany's crew.

Our take will likely be north of $15M for everything - that includes IMG and SNY, assuming that those deals are not impacted by the collapse of the Big East.

The current Big East deal is no peach, so it's not like we're dropping a significant amount. The difference, really, is that the gap between us and more rewarded conferences is increasing like one of us is tied to a rocket.

The Big Ten's Tier I deal is actually pretty freaking lousy for the times...when that pup gets done, they're off and running again. (Irony...the Big Ten Network was the Big Ten's response to ESPN refusing to rework their contract half a decade ago.)

 

[zls44]

Rutgers isn't in NYC.
What is the DMA for New Brunswick?
Because I'll tell you this, whatever DMA Centre County, PA. is in, it's not doing squat for half the state of PA. which hasn't gone to max payout on BTN. Penn State can't pull them in. But Rutgers can?

NYC

 

[upstater]

The Big Ten's Tier I deal is actually pretty freaking lousy for the times...when that pup gets done, they're off and running again. (Irony...the Big Ten Network was the Big Ten's response to ESPN refusing to rework their contract half a decade ago.)

The thing is, I can't blame ESPN. That's how I'd play it, conservatively. Eventually the balloon is going to pop, and someone is going to get left holding the bag. Media is moving so fast these days, it's so saturated. What's coming next is full virtual reality and then no one is going to want to leave the holodeck. OK, I'm joking. But someone is going to be left holding the bag, and I think that someone is Fox, and maybe the B12 and the B1G who will have to shell out for Rutgers, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Maryland and Northwestern for perpetuity!

 

[upstater]

NYC

Heerrrgggh? Huh?

 

[zls44]

Heerrrgggh? Huh?

The DMA of Rutgers is New York City. I'm shocked you didn't know that. Everything yellow on this map is their DMA...by the language of the BTN TV contracts, any cable provider carrying BTN in this yellow area will go from $0.65-0.85 to $1.00 (earlier $0.10 was off).

 

[upstater]

The DMA of Rutgers is New York City. I'm shocked you didn't know that. Everything yellow on this map is their DMA...by the language of the BTN TV contracts, any Cale provider carrying BTN in this yellow area will go from $0.65-0.85 to $1.00 (earlier $0.10 was off).

Interesting. How long are the contracts? It's also a beaut that Rutgers is worth this much when they can't even get people in football crazy PA to pay up for BTN!

 

[Fishy]

Is there a court of appeals we can appear before to get Fairfield deeded to our DMA?

Seriously.

 

[CL82]

Just answer plainly: in your opinion does ESPN have it out for UConn specifically, such that they would spend tens of millions of dollars to cripple the university?

I think that qualifies as an extraordinary claim indeed, and you know what they say about extraordinary claims...

Occam's Razor says UConn is collateral damage, unanticipated, and certainly not intentional.

No, ESPN did not have it out for the University of Connecticut, but in planning to protect their monopoly on college sports, they killed the Big East and did so for complete disregard for the devistating effect that destruction would have ont he university. If this is the new value for the league. ESPN need to pony up enough cash so that our addition to another league does not dilute value, or alternatively, it needs to give us our own so that we have competitive earnings with every other big time university. Until that happens, they are personal non grata. They get nothing from this state, ever.

By the way, if ESPN's machinations has caused the value of our university's TV rights, including football to be less than that C7's bb only contract, we should litigate. That's a huge cash stream that has been lost to the people of this state.

 

[Fishy]

Please, enough with the litigation - it's a non-starter.

ESPN doesn't have a monopoly on anything - there is a marketplace and while they are the largest player, they are far from the only player.

While they certainly helped push the Big East towards the cliff, other conferences and indeed our own members actually kicked the body over the side. Wasn't nice, wasn't pleasant, certainly cowardly on a pair of fronts and there are piranhas that are more trustworthy than our former partners, but in the end, it was just business.

Tomorrow, every business on earth will wake up with a plan to do harm to their competitors. Ours' just happened to manage to pull their plan off - can't sue over that.

 

[zls44]

Interesting. How long are the contracts? It's also a beaut that Rutgers is worth this much when they can't even get people in football crazy PA to pay up for BTN!

Contract length depends on cable provider. Here is a link to Penn State's DMA: http://www.truckads.com/Affiliate/Johnstown_Altoona.htm#map

I believe they are market #160.
New York is #1.

 

[zls44]

Is there a court of appeals we can appear before to get Fairfield deeded to our DMA?

Seriously.

Wishful thinking, but they'd sooner split Hartford/New Haven into two markets and put New Haven and Fairfield together.

 

[CL82]

Rutgers isn't in NYC.
What is the DMA for New Brunswick?
Because I'll tell you this, whatever DMA Centre County, PA. is in, it's not doing squat for half the state of PA. which hasn't gone to max payout on BTN. Penn State can't pull them in. But Rutgers can?

North Jersey is very densely populated and Rutgers does well there. With the B1G athletic cash that they'll eventually get and their affiliation in the CIC boosting their research opportunities they are on an upward trend while we are fighting for our athletic lives. It sucks, but that doesn't make it untrue.

 

[Fishy]

You know what, duck* that.

According to that little DMA thingy, the Danbury Fair Mall is in Rutgers' designated market. And if you look, you'll notice that UConn is not actually located within the Hartford/New Haven market.

 

[upstater]

North Jersey is very densely populated and Rutgers does well there. With the B1G athletic cash that they'll eventually get and their affiliation in the CIC boosting their research opportunities they are on an upward trend while we are fighting for our athletic lives. It sucks, but that doesn't make it untrue.

But north Jersey is no more dense than Philly. That's the point I was making. And I guarantee you that PSU is more popular in Philly than Rutgers is in North Jersey. I was harangued by neighbors of my in-laws when I made fun of JoePa's coke bottle glasses and high waters. It was a joke. They were dead serious. And these were 60 something professionals. I seriously doubt a joke about Schiano's helicopter would elicit any response from random people in a neighborhood in north Jersey. OK, so that's a meaningless anecdote, but I still bet PSU is 10x more popular in Philly than Rutgers in north Jersey.

 

[upstater]

Media markets shouldn't even count any more now that you have cable. And we still measure these things as though everyone is using rabbit antennas.

 

[CL82]

But north Jersey is no more dense than Philly. That's the point I was making. And I guarantee you that PSU is more popular in Philly than Rutgers is in North Jersey. I was harangued by neighbors of my in-laws when I made fun of JoePa's coke bottle glasses and high waters. It was a joke. They were dead serious. And these were 60 something professionals. I seriously doubt a joke about Schiano's helicopter would elicit any response from random people in a neighborhood in north Jersey. OK, so that's a meaningless anecdote, but I still bet PSU is 10x more popular in Philly than Rutgers in north Jersey.

Not so sure about that ...if RU is having a good year. When it's not, I doubt most people would turn on a TV.

 

[upstater]

Not so sure about that ...if RU is having a good year. When it's not, I doubt most people would turn on a TV.

...if? Haven't been too many good years. I've spent some time in Bucks Cty., PA the last decade, and that's the easternmost cty next to New Jersey. They are rabid for college football there.

 

[RoderickSpode]

You know what, duck* that.

According to that little DMA thingy, the Danbury Fair Mall is in Rutgers' designated market. And if you look, you'll notice that UConn is not actually located within the Hartford/New Haven market.

Ridiculous. What I don't get is why cable providers in the NY DMA would have agreed to the deal mentioned by zls44. I can't imagine there was a lot of demand for the BTN in the northeast when it was first added to their channel lineup. Did they just gloss over that bit, figuring there was no chance in hell that the B1G would ever invite Rutgers?

 

[CL82]

...if? Haven't been too many good years. I've spent some time in Bucks Cty., PA the last decade, and that's the easternmost cty next to New Jersey. They are rabid for college football there.

RU fans in NJ are bandwagon fans. RU is rode the good numbers from those up all the way to the B1G.

 

[zls44]

Did they just gloss over that bit, figuring there was no chance in hell that the B1G would ever invite Rutgers?

Yes.

 

[zls44]

Franks post on Big East BBS:

"I asked McMurphy via direct message on Twitter and he confirmed to me the following:

(1) This offer from NBC is for all-sports (not just basketball)

(2) There aren't other multimedia partners involved. This NBC offer is for everything TV-wise. ESPN can match it and get the package itself, but it's either one or the other. Fox isn't interested.

The offer reflects that there is only one legit suitor. As I've said a countless times here, the only way that the Big East makes a large amount is of there's a bidding war. Well, there simply isn't a bidding war here - NBC/Comcast has shown to be a thrifty organization, so this offer reflects that it's not going to drive up the price on its own to be charitable."

 

[djct1999]

Time for the talking heads at UConn to think outside the box. Being a part of this league, especially this TV deal, is suicide. Perception quickly becomes reality. Time for us to hold our chest high, proudly say who we are and where we belong, refuse to settle, and wait patiently. By agreeing to this, its as if UConn is accepting its fate to become the next UMass.

 

[upstater]

Franks post on Big East BBS:

"I asked McMurphy via direct message on Twitter and he confirmed to me the following:

(1) This offer from NBC is for all-sports (not just basketball)

(2) There aren't other multimedia partners involved. This NBC offer is for everything TV-wise. ESPN can match it and get the package itself, but it's either one or the other. Fox isn't interested.

The offer reflects that there is only one legit suitor. As I've said a countless times here, the only way that the Big East makes a large amount is of there's a bidding war. Well, there simply isn't a bidding war here - NBC/Comcast has shown to be a thrifty organization, so this offer reflects that it's not going to drive up the price on its own to be charitable."

He's absolutely right about NBC, they have always been very thrifty.

As for Fox, it's making a colossal blunder if it shells out $50 million a year to the CYO7.

But it's their money.

The old BE got $3 million a year for all sports. So the NBC offer may be low but it's not wacky at all. It's in the right range.

The only surprise here is the money the Catholics may be getting (though we've seen nothing to verify that).

Regardless, go with ESPN even if NBC doesn't match. If NBC doesn't want to overpay, tell them to take a hike.

This league can grow, it can become a top basketball league with UConn in front, and in 5-7 years, it might not be bad at football either. 7 years from now, would anyone be absolutely certain that UConn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, and Houston will not all be ranked?

 

[whaler11]

He's absolutely right about NBC, they have always been very thrifty.

As for Fox, it's making a colossal blunder if it shells out $50 million a year to the CYO7.

But it's their money.

The old BE got $3 million a year for all sports. So the NBC offer may be low but it's not wacky at all. It's in the right range.

The only surprise here is the money the Catholics may be getting (though we've seen nothing to verify that).

Regardless, go with ESPN even if NBC doesn't match. If NBC doesn't want to overpay, tell them to take a hike.

This league can grow, it can become a top basketball league with UConn in front, and in 5-7 years, it might not be bad at football either. 7 years from now, would anyone be absolutely certain that UConn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, and Houston will not all be ranked?

A

 

[djct1999]

He's absolutely right about NBC, they have always been very thrifty.

As for Fox, it's making a colossal blunder if it shells out $50 million a year to the CYO7.

But it's their money.

The old BE got $3 million a year for all sports. So the NBC offer may be low but it's not wacky at all. It's in the right range.

The only surprise here is the money the Catholics may be getting (though we've seen nothing to verify that).

Regardless, go with ESPN even if NBC doesn't match. If NBC doesn't want to overpay, tell them to take a hike.

This league can grow, it can become a top basketball league with UConn in front, and in 5-7 years, it might not be bad at football either. 7 years from now, would anyone be absolutely certain that UConn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, and Houston will not all be ranked?

Yes. In seven years, the AP Top 25 will include 8 teams from the SEC, 6 Teams from the Big 10, 5 teams from the Big 12, 4 teams from the Pac 12, 1/2 teams from the ACC and depending on the year/acc, 1 team from the MWC or NBE. I think its a better bet to say in 7 years UConn, Cincy, Houston will not be a part of the NBE rather than ranked in it.

With this tv deal, there is absolutely no room to grow. In fact, I will go as far as saying that in 7 years its more likely that UConn football doesnt exist than UConn football being ranked in the NBE.