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Ports21 said:
Let's say we do get 2 super conferences with 20 teams...

Current or Future SEC:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Arkansas
5. Missouri
6. South Carolina
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Vanderbilt
10. Texas A&M
11. Ole Miss
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. LSU
15. Oklahoma (joining in 24)
16. Texas (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1.
2.
3.
4.


Current or Future BIG:
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Indiana
5. Penn State
6. Nebraska
7. Illinois
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
15. USC (joining in 24)
16. UCLA (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1
2
3
4



Top options to move:

Definite Appeal: Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame

Not sure who else would be filling.

It's all football driven -- basketball will have very little to do with this.
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Well, you could pencil in Florida St, Clemson, WVU and UCF for the top one.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I would have to imagine Pac draws in Big 12 schools. I mean as is, Oregon, Washington, UA, Stanford all have bigger athletic profiles than any remaining Big 12 school.
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It won't matter, any movements like that will just be stopgaps.
 
BattersonBoyz said:
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Not sure how reliable this guy is (I’ve seen debates on here in the past) but still….
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Wouldn't be hard to do. 18 game minimum for hoops. Home and home in division and x1 on the flip end. If you want to bring conference games to 20 have two permanent cross overs.

For non-revenue sports you mostly play round robin in your division and meet somewhere for the conference championship

East Division

PeeCee
UConn
SJU
SHU
Nover
Gtown

West Division

Kansas
Creighton
Xavier
Butler
DePaul
Marquette
 
Ports21 said:
Let's say we do get 2 super conferences with 20 teams...

Current or Future SEC:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Arkansas
5. Missouri
6. South Carolina
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Vanderbilt
10. Texas A&M
11. Ole Miss
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. LSU
15. Oklahoma (joining in 24)
16. Texas (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1.
2.
3.
4.


Current or Future BIG:
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Indiana
5. Penn State
6. Nebraska
7. Illinois
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
15. USC (joining in 24)
16. UCLA (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1
2
3
4



Top options to move:

Definite Appeal: Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame

Not sure who else would be filling.

It's all football driven -- basketball will have very little to do with this.
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Oregon and Washington to the B1G
 
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Ports21 said:
Let's say we do get 2 super conferences with 20 teams...

Current or Future SEC:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Arkansas
5. Missouri
6. South Carolina
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Vanderbilt
10. Texas A&M
11. Ole Miss
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. LSU
15. Oklahoma (joining in 24)
16. Texas (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1.
2.
3.
4.


Current or Future BIG:
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Indiana
5. Penn State
6. Nebraska
7. Illinois
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
15. USC (joining in 24)
16. UCLA (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1
2
3
4



Top options to move:

Definite Appeal: Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame

Not sure who else would be filling.

It's all football driven -- basketball will have very little to do with this.
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I think the biggest road block with SEC expansion is convincing Florida and (to a lesser extent) South Carolina, to take another team from the same state / market. If they clear that hurdle though, the 2 team mega conferences are all but done.

If I was the Big10 I'd take those 4 "definite appeal" schools you listed to stake claim in all corners of the country with the best available southern schools. Would be a big move because idk how appealing UNC / UVA / Louisville / WVU are to the SEC... Not sure how the SEC then gets to 20 without going west (ASU / UA / Oregon / Stanford ?)
 
ACC is in deep trouble. Those football schools aren’t going to stick around for 15 more years til the GOR expires
 
The most amazing thing in all this is that if you consider all of realignment, the true winner is one of the least accomplished athletic programs ever - Rutgers.

Right now, we’re the polar opposite and the decision was set in stone when someone decided that the NYC DMA should dip south and only far north enough to put Connecticut’s most populated area in the same region as the Rutgers campus.
 
District-Husky said:
I would think USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford are a package deal.
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as a Cal football fan i hope so but at the same time, no one gives a crap about them. maybe the UC regents can block ucla from moving unless they agree to take cal...idk
 
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McLovin said:
I think the biggest road block with SEC expansion is convincing Florida and (to a lesser extent) South Carolina, to take another team from the same state / market. If they clear that hurdle though, the 2 team mega conferences are all but done.

If I was the Big10 I'd take those 4 "definite appeal" schools you listed to stake claim in all corners of the country with the best available southern schools. Would be a big move because idk how appealing UNC / UVA / Louisville / WVU are to the SEC... Not sure how the SEC then gets to 20 without going west (ASU / UA / Oregon / Stanford ?)
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Not even sure they will get to the road block…what does Clemson or FSU do for the SEC in terms of media rights? Not much.

Now, adding schools in NC and VA - that’s another story.

But again, the GOR makes that academic for a long time.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
I would have to imagine Pac draws in Big 12 schools. I mean as is, Oregon, Washington, UA, Stanford all have bigger athletic profiles than any remaining Big 12 school.
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that depends on 2 things
1. Will Stamford and Cal also go to the B1G as both with be great adds . If so the PAC is dead . CaL and UCLA are branches of the Same School and Stamford is far an away the most prestigious academic institution playing big time sports. Suck on it ND, and Michigan
if that happen
2. ASU, and Uof A are better fits for the B12 than a Pacific Northwest based conference
Utah ? and Colorado are both up in the air.
Number one is the key to which way this go’s .

Everytime I try to breakaway from Conference realignment,I keep getting sucked in.
 
Fishy said:
Not even sure they will get to the road block…what does Clemson or FSU do for the SEC in terms of media rights? Not much.

Now, adding schools in NC and VA - that’s another story.

But again, the GOR makes that academic for a long time.
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SEC might just want them so the BIG 10 can't have any representatives in their footprint and they can own the entire southern half of the country out to California (aka, the states where populations are moving to...)
 
Are the B1G and $EC going to start kicking out the worthless schools (Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Rutgers, Minnesota, Mississippi St, etc) when they try to raid the top dogs of the ACC and PAC?
 
District-Husky said:
I would think USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford are a package deal.
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I think you only get Stanford and then take UW for the Seattle market. Cal doesn't bring anything by itself and if you can only get one of Cal or Stanford, you take Stanford.
 
Ports21 said:
Let's say we do get 2 super conferences with 20 teams...

Current or Future SEC:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Arkansas
5. Missouri
6. South Carolina
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Vanderbilt
10. Texas A&M
11. Ole Miss
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. LSU
15. Oklahoma (joining in 24)
16. Texas (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1.
2.
3.
4.


Current or Future BIG:
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Indiana
5. Penn State
6. Nebraska
7. Illinois
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
15. USC (joining in 24)
16. UCLA (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1
2
3
4



Top options to move:

Definite Appeal: Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame

Not sure who else would be filling.

It's all football driven -- basketball will have very little to do with this.
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This begs the question of whether of not all of the current B1G and SEC schools get grandfathered in. If they are going to mega conferences, are they sticking with a Vanderbilt in the SEC, or going with a school in a different recruiting grounds like a UVA?

The bottom feeders are going to be cut off in these leagues. Especially if they overlap in regions where the league on already present.
 
Fishy said:
Not even sure they will get to the road block…what does Clemson or FSU do for the SEC in terms of media rights? Not much.

Now, adding schools in NC and VA - that’s another story.

But again, the GOR makes that academic for a long time.
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Exactly. I've been of the belief for well over a decade that the SEC wants to have a presence in Virginia and North Carolina at some point and that Va Tech and NC St fit culturally (their fan bases are more southern than UVA, UNC) better with the SEC.
 
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Stanford is a huge fish for the B1G to bring in if there is interest. Incredible academics and a depth and diversity of Olympic sport championship athletics that few colleges come close to matching. We can only hope that the B1G move to the west will lead to a desire to balance out the geography of the conference and add one or two teams in the east.

UConn has a lot to offer with M and W hoops, other quality women's sports, baseball and hopefully an improving football team. The B1G question is whether UConn's M & W hockey programs (that PAC-12 schools do not offer) is attractive to the B1G. The B1G must know how they could lock down the NYC market with UConn. Say what you want of ACC and SEC school, but their media markets pale in comparison to the Hartford and NYC markets even though the ACC and SEC markets may get a higher % of viewers. If not the B1G, we want continued realignment activity as one never knows where the chips may fall.
 
I wonder if the next big shoe to drop is the two super conferences telling the NCAA “hey, it’s been a blast, but we’ve got it from here”.

As for the ACC GOR, I assume at some price a school can buy back their interest. Assuming the differential between getting in with the SEC/Big or not justifies the price.

Agree that I don’t think the SEC needs FSU or Clemson. People keep confusing markets with success on the field. NC and Virginia are the big incremental markets to grab.
 
UConnRock said:
Stanford is a huge fish for the B1G to bring in if there is interest. Incredible academics and a depth and diversity of Olympic sport championship athletics that few colleges come close to matching. We can only hope that the B1G move to the west will lead to a desire to balance out the geography of the conference and add one or two teams in the east.

UConn has a lot to offer with M and W hoops, other quality women's sports, baseball and hopefully an improving football team. The B1G question is whether UConn's M & W hockey programs (that PAC-12 schools do not offer) is attractive to the B1G. The B1G must know how they could lock down the NYC market with UConn. Say what you want of ACC and SEC school, but their media markets pale in comparison to the Hartford and NYC markets even though the ACC and SEC markets may get a higher % of viewers. If not the B1G, we want continued realignment activity as one never knows where the chips may fall.
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Uconn needs to find a way to get AAU membership. The University has been investing heavily in growth including a new STEM building. Would love to hear an update from Uconn administration on status
 
I would assume the ACC GOR could be overturned if more than half the schools voted to do away with it. When everything is getting blown up like this, I think you're going to see a lot of schools like UNC, UVA, Clemson, Florida St. wanting out. The only ones holding onto the GOR will be the likes of Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, BC.....they may not have enough to keep it in place if over 50% of the teams will get poached.
 
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The interesting prospect is that if the B1G can also get Stanford it would be adding two teams (USC and Stanford) that are traditional rivals on Notre Dame's independent schedule. ND also played Purdue every year until 2014 and Michigan St. until 2013.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
I would assume the ACC GOR could be overturned if more than half the schools voted to do away with it. When everything is getting blown up like this, I think you're going to see a lot of schools like UNC, UVA, Clemson, Florida St. wanting out. The only ones holding onto the GOR will be the likes of Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, BC.....they may not have enough to keep it in place if over 50% of the teams will get poached.
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This is kind of a "prisoner's dilemma" in reverse.

The thing is it doesn't appear that there are enough schools that would believe they would absolutely be on the winning end of a GOR breakup to accomplish this.
 
Fishy said:
But again, the GOR makes that academic for a long time.
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Where it gets interesting as the gap between the SEC/B1G and ACC gets astronomical and Clemson/FSU/etc cannot survive waiting until the GOR expires....is how many ACC schools would be required to vote to dissolve the conference and eliminate the conference and GOR entirely? Is it 60% of the schools? 75% of the schools?

Maybe there is a coordinated killing of the ACC to get enough schools involved to just dissolve the conference entirely. Something like:

B1G
Virginia
UNC
Georgia Tech
Miami
Notre Dame
Duke

SEC
Virginia Tech
NC State
Florida State
Clemson
Pittsburgh


That would be 11 of the 14 ACC schools (more than 75%) voting to dissolve the conference (and the GOR). Is that a possibility?
 
Ports21 said:
Let's say we do get 2 super conferences with 20 teams...

Current or Future SEC:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Arkansas
5. Missouri
6. South Carolina
7. Georgia
8. Tennessee
9. Vanderbilt
10. Texas A&M
11. Ole Miss
12. Miss State
13. Kentucky
14. LSU
15. Oklahoma (joining in 24)
16. Texas (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1.
2.
3.
4.


Current or Future BIG:
1. Ohio St
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Indiana
5. Penn State
6. Nebraska
7. Illinois
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
15. USC (joining in 24)
16. UCLA (joining in 24)
New Teams:
1
2
3
4



Top options to move:

Definite Appeal: Clemson, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame

Not sure who else would be filling.

It's all football driven -- basketball will have very little to do with this.
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Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado and Cal should be offered B10 entry. Ton of natural rivalry games.

It will be more than 20 schools IMO.
 
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