Herbst's responsibility in sports mess?

[UConnNick]

The Task Force report was very critical of John Toner and pretty specific about those criticisms, IIRC. That said on Toner's watch we: 1) joined the Big East (barely JT vacillated on it until the last moment), 2) hired Geno and 3) hired Jim Calhoun. Those are some pretty impressive wins regardless of the rest of tenure.

I guess I should add Toner was a very well respected NCAA president while he was the AD at UConn. I'll also add that my very limited interaction with him, he was a great guy.

Toner was criticised in the report for spending way too much time away from Storrs on NCAA business during his tenure. They pretty much blamed him for the AD being in the state it was in at the end of Perno's regime.

That said, he hit two home runs almost simultaneously by hiring Geno and Jim. The man clearly had an eye for talent. He pulled off a daily double the likes of which few ADs ever have. He did go on to be NCAA president, so he was very popular and personable among his peers. I can say the same as CL about my own personal encounters with him.

 

[huskyinfl]

International students pay $2k more than out of state, but some people can't comprehend "profit"

 

[Unsinkable]

She may be THE GREATEST at running the school. On her watch athletics have crashed and burned some if us have been questioning where this was headed for a few years.

It left a real impression on me when she made a disparaging remark about sending kids to Ames, Iowa. Instead now we send them Tulsa, Oklahoma, New Orleans, etc. I never felt she understood the stakes well enough to be pro active early on. The email from acting AD Paul Pendergast was another tell.

Nothing may have changed our current fate, but evidence points to being caught totally flat footed when the carousel started turning.

Spot-on. The conference re-alignment chess game is played mainly by the school presidents (not the ADs). She entered eight years ago in a fairly strong position and played the game terribly.

 

[B1GEast]

I don't know,Herbst hired Ward, who hired Diaco and we missed out on ACC expansion over Pitt and Louisville.

Now we don't have a flagship radio station to cover UConn games

It might be time for her to move on

 

[Deadrody]

This sounds like something someone from Arkansas would stay.

And that's something an arrogant jackass from MA or CT would say.

 

[J187Money]

Last I checked I’m not funding Yale every other week.

If you guys don’t get this scam I don’t know how to help you. ‘Profitable’. Good one.

You are, because Yale doesn't pay property taxes to New Haven, which in turn needs to be funded by the state.

 

[whaler11]

You are, because Yale doesn't pay property taxes to New Haven, which in turn needs to be funded by the state.

I figured someone would say that.

Hopefully someone fixes that soon, but it’s not really the same thing. Yale also has the benefit in this analysis of... being in Connecticut permanently and being one of the more important employers in the state - as opposed internationals who never darken our doors post graduation.

 

[hoopsknowitall]

I remember there being a thread about Herbst being a 3rdbass a while back. That’s when I realized I really wasn’t as bad off as I thought I was with some of the creepy comments posted.

Times have changed...

 

[J187Money]

I figured someone would say that.

Hopefully someone fixes that soon, but it’s not really the same thing. Yale also has the benefit in this analysis of... being in Connecticut permanently and being one of the more important employers in the state - as opposed internationals who never darken our doors post graduation.

I know it isn't the same thing - just being pedantic.

 

[noeynox]

I remember there being a thread about Herbst being a 3rdbass a while back. That’s when I realized I really wasn’t as bad off as I thought I was with some of the creepy comments posted.

Times have changed...

Yes, now some see her as a PILF. President I'd like to FIRE. Just kidding, but she seems to always get a pass for how bad things are.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Isn't who thinks she hasn't been great doesn't have a clue of what it means to be a University President.

Anyone who thins Warde was a mistake has no clue of the role of an AD or the situation at the time.

 

[DOZE860]

Super. How do the taxpayers get an ROI on our UConn investment?

Spoiler alert - we don’t. We educate people who don’t live her and contribute to the state after they graduate. So we subsidize other places with our tax dollars.

Then they brag to us about where they are in the rankings. Wow - how exciting. I’m glad that you were able to take money from
his state to enrich other locations. Thanks!

the return on investment would be, said wealthy parents donate money to the university, which benefits, guess who... us taxpayers... duh

 

[hardcorehusky]

Herbst made the call a few years ago to tighten admission standards for athletics. That has been one of the bigger issues from a competetive standpoint because we are in a conference with Memphis and other lower rated schools. RE had a problem with it- PP gave me examples of kids who couldn't get in that went to Temple. I was not close to KO so I don't know how that affected him.

 

[whaler11]

Isn't who thinks she hasn't been great doesn't have a clue of what it means to be a University President.

Anyone who thins Warde was a mistake has no clue of the role of an AD or the situation at the time.

A trained seal could fix the APR.

The guy hired Bob Diaco. Total loser. Must not be part of what an AD is responsible for.

I guess us ignorant dumb dumbs just can’t see the brilliance of a Warde Manual.

Maybe someday I’ll be bright enough to give everyone in leadership a pass for driving the ship into an iceberg.

 

[whaler11]

the return on investment would be, said wealthy parents donate money to the university, which benefits, guess who... us taxpayers... duh

Yeah sure - let’s see the books with all the huge donations from Chinese nationals.

That’s a good one. Maybe we should only have international students and the school can send us check every year like the casinos send the tribe members. It’s so profitable!

 

[shizzle787]

This sounds like something someone from Arkansas would stay. We are a global university. Foreign students pay full tuition and broaden our scope in the job market.

Globalist.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

A trained seal could fix the APR.

The guy hired Bob Diaco. Total loser. Must not be part of what an AD is responsible for.

I guess us ignorant dumb dumbs just can’t see the brilliance of a Warde Manual.

Maybe someday I’ll be bright enough to give everyone in leadership a pass for driving the ship into an iceberg.

At that moment in time, half the ADs in the country would have hired Bobby Red Pants. Many posters on this board were euphoric at the time. But he did more than just make one hire, and fixing APR legally is not that easy to do....but sure.

 

[uconnphil2016]

For what its worth, those students that they are attracting from China have very, very, wealthy parents, that like to throw money around...

They also aren't eligible for aid I don't think, so they pay in full out of pocket

 

[uconnphil2016]

You are, because Yale doesn't pay property taxes to New Haven, which in turn needs to be funded by the state.

Not that this is a reasonable replacement for paying property taxes, but I believe Yale pays the city of New Haven a good faith contribution each year instead of paying property taxes. I don't have the figures off hand, but they do pay the city. New Haven also has arguably the best economy of any CT city, so the net impact of Yale is probably positive on the city as a whole.

 

[huskymedic]

Not that this is a reasonable replacement for paying property taxes, but I believe Yale pays the city of New Haven a good faith contribution each year instead of paying property taxes. I don't have the figures off hand, but they do pay the city. New Haven also has arguably the best economy of any CT city, so the net impact of Yale is probably positive on the city as a whole.

Not to drive this further off topic but here’s your answer:

> all the people who come to the city to work or visit benefit from New Haven’s strong police and fire departments, with only Yale University paying $2 million toward fire service.

She said the $6.7 million voluntary payment by Yale to New Haven, as well as the $2.7 million from the Yale New Haven Hospital System...“ <<

 

[buddy]

She didn't inherit a wreck of a sports program.

UConn had reached heights no one here expected when she came on board.

Fiesta Bowl and a national championship.

UConn got passed over because a confederate flag never flew over campus and BC hated the school.

Now, if you want to blame Warde Manuel, go ahead.

I blame her for hiring Warde Manuel who had one foot out the door before he even started. I blame Warde for failing in getting UConn to the ACC. I blame Warde for abandoning ship. He bleeds blue, but for the wrong school.

 

[whaler11]

At that moment in time, half the ADs in the country would have hired Bobby Red Pants. Many posters on this board were euphoric at the time. But he did more than just make one hire, and fixing APR legally is not that easy to do....but sure.

Funny that only one school hired him and anyone can fix the APR and lose. Literally anyone.

Didn’t think we had any Warde Manual defenders left. Good to know.

I guess leadership has no responsibility for outcomes. Good news for David the Oaf. He is headed out to the deep water.

 

[fatlucy]

Last I checked I’m not funding Yale every other week.

If you guys don’t get this scam I don’t know how to help you. ‘Profitable’. Good one.

Yale pays no taxes. You are funding them every day.

 

[buddy]

I blame Warde.

The Pina Colada Song (UConn version)

I am tired of our conference, I mean it does kind of suck.
But I don't see a way out, without a whole lotta luck.
How did we get here, when were really hot?
I thought back on how Louisville got the last P5 spot:

Warde had Pina Coladas, while watching girl's basketball.
He did not do any lobbying which is what caused us to fall.
If you like being in a real conference, with teams that you've known for years,
Don't trust the fan of the donuts or you'll end up in tears.

Now I don't blame Suzy, I know it sounds kind of mean,
But I expect that a "rock star" would have known the routine.
Nothing is given, to those who sit back and wait.
And when you think where the blame lies, it's not up for debate...

Warde had Pina Coladas, while watching girl's basketball.
He should have been working, but he was dropping the ball.
So now we're stuck playing Tulsa and likely will be for years.
We trusted the fan of the donuts and we ended in tears.

You may be sarcastic, but sometimes sarcasm rings true.

 

[buddy]

Isn't who thinks she hasn't been great doesn't have a clue of what it means to be a University President.

Anyone who thins Warde was a mistake has no clue of the role of an AD or the situation at the time.

Are you Ricky Ricardo?

 

[whaler11]

Yale pays no taxes. You are funding them every day.

Good grief.

I know US News charts give many of you erections - but UConn should be a tool of the state government to drive our economy and educate OUR citizens.

Funding the school is an investment that the state and the people of Connecticut make.

Nebulous nonsense like being a ‘global university’ is worthless. Magazine rankings where you can game the metrics mean nothing in real life.

Spoiler alert: This state is broke. The limited funds that will be available need to be used in a way that generates a return on our collective investment.

If you guys are really interested in treating UConn as a business - the first thing tbat would be eliminated is the athletic department. The second thing that would be eliminated is 2/3rds of the majors.

Signing up international students because they pay higher tuition is shortsighted foolishness. It’s a short term cash grab required because the administration spends like drunken sailors on leave.

Every slot we sell off from under a taxpaying CT resident so that SuzieLax can overpay useless administrators is a mistake.

We need to invest in the education of people who might actually live here after graduation. Not soak rich Middle Easterners so that their kids can party in Boston and NY, making the budget easier to balance in a given fiscal year.

I’m sure a dozen people who live 1,500 miles away will tell me how wrong I am. Which is cool but there aren’t that many of us funding this state anymore - so if you want the school to be better in Rhode Island in 20 years it might be time to start worrying about what UConn can do for the state rather than what we taxpayers do for UConn and it’s employees.

 

[zls44]

I love how whaler just knows for an absolute fact that no graduating alumni who has a wealthy family overseas will live in CT post-graduation, since obviously nobody who works in NYC lives in Fairfield County.

Under Herbst, UConn's endowment has practically doubled, but this idiot is mad because we had a bad basketball coach.

 

[JMick]

Good grief.

I know US News charts give many of you erections - but UConn should be a tool of the state government to drive our economy and educate OUR citizens.

Funding the school is an investment that the state and the people of Connecticut make.

Nebulous nonsense like being a ‘global university’ is worthless. Magazine rankings where you can game the metrics mean nothing in real life.

Spoiler alert: This state is broke. The limited funds that will be available need to be used in a way that generates a return on our collective investment.

If you guys are really interested in treating UConn as a business - the first thing tbat would be eliminated is the athletic department. The second thing that would be eliminated is 2/3rds of the majors.

Signing up international students because they pay higher tuition is shortsighted foolishness. It’s a short term cash grab required because the administration spends like drunken sailors on leave.

Every slot we sell off from under a taxpaying CT resident so that SuzieLax can overpay useless administrators is a mistake.

We need to invest in the education of people who might actually live here after graduation. Not soak rich Middle Easterners so that their kids can party in Boston and NY, making the budget easier to balance in a given fiscal year.

I’m sure a dozen people who live 1,500 miles away will tell me how wrong I am. Which is cool but there aren’t that many of us funding this state anymore - so if you want the school to be better in Rhode Island in 20 years it might be time to start worrying about what UConn can do for the state rather than what we taxpayers do for UConn and it’s employees.

Meh. Generally I agree but the reason UConn grads aren't staying in state is that besides accounting and insurance there just aren't a ton of jobs. I got lucky and found a small company but if I didn't genuinely like Connecticut I wouldn't have stayed here

 

[zls44]

Which is cool but there aren’t that many of us funding this state anymore - so if you want the school to be better in Rhode Island in 20 years it might be time to start worrying about what UConn can do for the state rather than what we taxpayers do for UConn and it’s employees.

Every dollar the state spends on UConn returns $11 to the state.

Forget President, Herbst should be in charge of the damn state budget.

 

[whaler11]

Every dollar the state spends on UConn returns $11 to the state.

Forget President, Herbst should be in charge of the damn state budget.

Returns it as what? If it was $11 that mattered then you’d make the budget unlimited and we’d all drive rocket cars.

She is great with a budget. Huge raises for useless admins. And David the Oaf deserved to get paid this year for sure - they only fired $17 million in dead money is 15 months.