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He was the head of it and watched it implode and failed to see the emergence of the all sports super conferences, that everyone was saying was happening.

If it wasn't him who was it, just the college presidents? Did he present a plan to them to split the conference up and they all rejected it and he stated if they failed to do it it would be done for them (i.e., Jack Welch's "control your own destiny or someone else will")?

I mean, he is the CEO and Presidents the board in a sense.

Not sure how he wasn't responsible for any of this when he was there through all of it.

brasssbonanzaa said:
There were so many things that occurred after Tranghese was out of the picture, both by subsequent Big East leadership and by UConn administrators/coaches that to place blame on Tranghese is completely misplacing it.
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And he may be especially motivated to assist. In reality of the original BE schools UConn is the only one that's really gotten the short straw. The football members are all in much better situations and the basketball ones are in a very competitive league too.


NYUConn said:
I met Tranghese a few times at UConn through various sporting events. He is a great dude and your story doesn't shock me in the least.
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JSM1970 said:
He was the head of it and watched it implode and failed to see the emergence of the all sports super conferences, that everyone was saying was happening.

If it wasn't him who was it, just the college presidents? Did he present a plan to them to split the conference up and they all rejected it and he stated if they failed to do it it would be done for them (i.e., Jack Welch's "control your own destiny or someone else will")?

I mean, he is the CEO and Presidents the board in a sense.

Not sure how he wasn't responsible for any of this when he was there through all of it.
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He was right there when we let the media misportray our Fiesta Bowl attendance? He was right there when we hired PP? He was right there when we didn't fire PP? He was right there when Jurich outfoxed Warde/Herbst to get into the ACC? He was right there when the Big East didn't push for that Big 12 dissolvement that would've sent teams to the Pac and KU, K-State, Iowa State, and Baylor to the Big East?
 
Dooley said:
Thanks, I didn't know that. I wasn't sure if he was retired and sipping Country Time lemonade on a squeaky rocker from his porch or if he was still "in the game" somehow.
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Your sources couldn't help you with that?
JSM1970 said:
Yes, as the CEO of the conference he needed to see its model wasn't viable and make hard decisions. He could have designed it in a way to maximize the alignment and value of both.

Again, imagine if Apple kept focusing its attention 100% on enterprise computing and its OS it would be out of business. That's in effect what he did, he killed it by not changing it.
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If the CEO of Apple reported to or was being paid by the heads of its enterprise computing and OS divisions do you think he would have acted the same way? Pun intended - Apples and oranges.

The head of a conference doesn't work for the "conference" as an abstract entity. He works for its members. BTW - the only schools so far that lost are UCONN and Cincy. So he did a bad job how? The majority of the membership ended up just fine. The only reason you think he did a bad job is because UCONN is where it is. If UCONN was in the ACC you would be applauding Tranghese for dragging UCONN along when we moved to FBS.
 
JSM1970 said:
He's also the same guy that when many were predicting future all sports super conferences he cobbled together some basketball conference that would later splinter.

When he should of been building an all sports conference he was inviting members like DePaul and Marquette. This guy destroyed the Big East and is the reason UConn is languishing in this league. Maybe he learned from all his failures and can assist.
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I never said he was a good commissioner. He wasn't. But as Gavitt's right hand man he became one of, if not the most, savvy TV guy in college sports. I think Tranghese's biggest failing was doing anything to keep Gavitt's dream alive even though Gavitt knew it was never going to survive as a hybrid conference.
 
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Tranghese certainly had a few foresight missteps along the way, but none of his errors were anywhere near as egregious, with respect to UConn, as those by Hathaway, PP, and Marinatto & Co. There is also no reason to believe Tranghese wouldn't have acted completely different than Marinatto when Pitt and SU began to leave and then did leave the conference.
 
I mean P5 is cool and the conference is strong in both sports and we get some good recruiting ground (especially if Cinci is the partner).

But do we really want to be dealing with Big 12 fans?
 
Rocktheworld said:
I mean P5 is cool and the conference is strong in both sports and we get some good recruiting ground (especially if Cinci is the partner).

But do we really want to be dealing with Big 12 fans?
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Yes. Especially during basketball season when we'd be able to say, "Get some more banners, then come back and see me."
 
If the conference was strong it wouldn't have mattered if UConn had a few bad moves (see BCU, Wake Forest).

My point his lack of execution resulted in the implosion of the old BE, because he refused to change it even though everyone was saying the future was the all sports super conferences.

If he did it right maybe he could gotten PSU to leave the B1G or Maryland to join the BE and strengthened the ND alignment. Instead it was a hodgepodge of teams with no common vision or mission.

I still maintain he is the CEO and how often to CEOs change directions like UTC divesting Sikorsky recently.

brasssbonanzaa said:
Tranghese certainly had a few foresight missteps along the way, but none of his errors were anywhere near as egregious, with respect to UConn, as those by Hathaway, PP, and Marinatto & Co. There is also no reason to believe Tranghese wouldn't have acted completely different than Marinatto when Pitt and SU began to leave and then did leave the conference.
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UConnMike04 said:
Wow, I'd gladly deal with Big12 fans...
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It would be my expectation that most b12 fans will spend time busting the chops of Kansas, kstate and Iowa state fans. I see 3 wins right there and hope to pickup one more, if we are looking at 2017.
 
JSM1970 said:
If the conference was strong it wouldn't have mattered if UConn had a few bad moves (see BCU, Wake Forest).

My point his lack of execution resulted in the implosion of the old BE, because he refused to change it even though everyone was saying the future was the all sports super conferences.

If he did it right maybe he could gotten PSU to leave the B1G or Maryland to join the BE and strengthened the ND alignment. Instead it was a hodgepodge of teams with no common vision or mission.

I still maintain he is the CEO and how often to CEOs change directions like UTC divesting Sikorsky recently.
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HE COULDN'T CHANGE IT.

Are you being purposefully obtuse on this? He works for the member schools, not for the conference as a separate entity. Conference commissioners can negotiate TV deals and sell the conference to prospective members, but he cannot act without the approval of the schools that constitute the existing conference membership - which you seem to refuse to acknowledge included 7 non-football playing Catholic schools.

Also, the CEO of UTC did not unilaterally decide to divest from Sikorsky. That took a board vote.

I truly hope you are not in a position where you manage people daily.
 
J SM1970, why are you wasting time in this thread talking about his alleged deficiencies that he had as big east commissioner unless you're trying to tie in those deficiencies into his current role as voice for UConn?
Seems like you are wasting space in his thread.
 
Rocktheworld said:
I mean P5 is cool and the conference is strong in both sports and we get some good recruiting ground (especially if Cinci is the partner).

But do we really want to be dealing with Big 12 fans?
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After seeing the dedication of TCU fans and Cheer Squad in that monsoon against Baylor I'd have to say...

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Heck Yeah!!!
 
Jimdish255 said:
After seeing the dedication of TCU fans and Cheer Squad in that monsoon against Baylor I'd have to say...

tcu-rain6.jpg


Heck Yeah!!!
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they'd be coming to The Rent and XL???? HELLZ YEAH
 
The Viking said:
J SM1970, why are you wasting time in this thread talking about his alleged deficiencies that he had as big east commissioner unless you're trying to tie in those deficiencies into his current role as voice for UConn?
Seems like you are wasting space in his thread.
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Agree. It's a miracle that we heard this tidbit of what UConn is doing to try to get into a P5 conference.
 
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It's gonna suck when the Big 12 gets what they need at that conference and decide they don't need to expand after all.
 
No, I'm saying he's the CEO and should present a plan to the college presidents (the board) and they ratify the plan. If he presented a plan to split off the teams and form an all sports conference with the football teams and basketball centric one with other schools and it was rejected then he did what he could in a sense.

Did he do this? Was there a plan? I do not know the answer but I think no. Thus, the league imploded on his watch.

His job is to maximize the value of the league and its assets. That could be a restructuring too.


NYUConn said:
HE COULDN'T CHANGE IT.

Are you being purposefully obtuse on this? He works for the member schools, not for the conference as a separate entity. Conference commissioners can negotiate TV deals and sell the conference to prospective members, but he cannot act without the approval of the schools that constitute the existing conference membership - which you seem to refuse to acknowledge included 7 non-football playing Catholic schools.

Also, the CEO of UTC did not unilaterally decide to divest from Sikorsky. That took a board vote.

I truly hope you are not in a position where you manage people daily.
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Tranghese considered division 1A college football to be a necessary evil to maintain the existence of the Big East basketball conference. If he could have done it without football, he would have. In his entire time leading the conference he dud the minimum necessary to maintain football. No more, no less.

Doesn't mean he doesn't bring value to navigating UCONN's future with knowledge, experience and personal contacts, but I'd still need to restrain myself from taking him out at thr knees in person.
 
My favorite Marinatto quote was one he offered in an interview with ESPN, just before our beloved BE was gutted for the final time, where he shared apropos of nothing, that Jim Delaney is always telling him that he needs to be thinking more strategically. Has there ever been someone more overmatched for their job than J Marinatto?
 
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auggie22 said:
My favorite Marinatto quote was one he offered in an interview with ESPN, just before our beloved BE was gutted for the final time, where he shared apropos of nothing, that Jim Delaney is always telling him that he needs to be thinking more strategically. Has there ever been someone more overmatched for their job than J Marinatto?
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Yeah..the present mayor in New York City..Mr Bill DeBlasio
 
I don't care what happened in the past. If Tranghese can help us get out of the AAC, then he is our guy. Anyone who help is our person.
 
Agree and believe he has a vested interest in this and not simply monetarily.


hardcorehusky said:
I don't care what happened in the past. If Tranghese can help us get out of the AAC, then he is our guy. Anyone who help is our person.
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I haven't read this whole thing - but here's my 2 cents:

#1. ESPN blew their wad in investing in collegiate sports in the past few years. I mean blew it.
#2. ESPN in recent years has become the driving engine for Walt Disney (although investing in Star Wars - will make a correction)
#3. The Longhorn network and the big 12 conference has turned into a complete money sucker for ESPN.
#4. ESPN has a shiny coin in their back pocket in CT, in the NYC metropolitan and Northeast corridor market - in UCONN.

If there is anything of value in any of this nonsense - it's in whatever you find when you start to follow the money.

THe only thing that matters, is that when handfuls of people get together to vote on subjects like moving the business associations of multibillion dollar organizations and establishments like state universities - that UCONN has people in place that cast votes, that will vote in such way as to put us into an intercollegiate business arrangement that we find ideal.

Votes like that will happen, and will continue to happen, until there is a true national playoff system for the division 1A college football post season. That may not happen, until NBC decides to stop renewing Notre Dame's television contract OR division 1A schools stop choosing to schedule Notre Dame.
 
Butch said:
Have any of you people seen the women of SMU???
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Yes, and TCU, and UT, and Baylor. I'm very happily married but I've also been living in TX for over 20 yrs and can attest to the fact that those campuses are swarming with good looking, smart, and overall fine young ladies. BTW, many of them, at least the ones raised in TX and OK, will happily kick your butt if you treat them bad.
 
cttxus said:
Yes, and TCU, and UT, and Baylor. I'm very happily married but I've also been living in TX for over 20 yrs and can attest to the fact that those campuses are swarming with good looking, smart, and overall fine young ladies. BTW, many of them, at least the ones raised in TX and OK, will happily kick your butt if you treat them bad.
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The only sample size I am going by is SMU's band during last year's AAC tournament. It was an eye opener.
 
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