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Irishfan said:
How many players can be played before you determine that winning is not a priority. Obviously 50 is too many. Is 40 too many? Or do we have to go down into the mid 30's.
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If winning is the priority, why is he only employing this strategy for the first 3 games? How many games must you see the players to really evaluate them? They get better by playing. Why not play them 6 instead of 3. Or 9 instead of 6? Why not use this whole season to evaluate?
 
BNich said:
You're kidding right? Half the board has been complaining about the "process" which Diaco has talked about. I'm just trying to show/highlight what some of the big-time programs have overcome and endured on their path to national prominence. Excuse me for posting quotes from an article.
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No, I'm not kidding. I think you're missing the point.
 
Irishfan said:
Maybe Diaco's leaving addresses cleaning up our image. Is that the response you're looking for.
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Yeah, Diaco clearly has an image problem. Unlike Brian Kelly, who's image and judgement is squeaky clean. Kelly only put a kid on a scissor lift 50 feet in the air with wind gusts over 50mph.

http://deadspin.com/5675694/prelude...re-dame-student-died-and-why-he-shouldnt-have

This man clearly improved the university's image.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/brian-kelly-is-apopleptic/
 
BNich said:
HCBD was born a winner. He was coached by a winner, a motivator, and a great football coach. I love the things he has to say and the direction and goals he has for this program. If there are any naysayers, there is something wrong with you.
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Do you want to start the list of coaching failures with the exact same pedigree? Better yet, start a list of coaches given their first HC job in D1 with the same pedigree that were wildly successful? The list is very short and includes a former Uconn coach who is not so successful right now.

Being a rousing success as a head coach in D1/BCS/P5 FB entails so many things beyond pedigree. You need support from the school, the fans, the boosters, the players, the recruiting pipeline, the media, etc. Where does BD and Uconn fall in terms of all the factors? Maybe 50% or 60% of the way there in my opinion which is what makes what he says, how he says it and what he projects even more important. From a fan perspective, from a recruiting perspective to the media's perspective. You love what he says, that's great. I'm not that easy right now.

And thanks for encouraging open discussion. My problem has always been thinking independently mixed in with bitter disappointment of unfulfilled coaching expectations. If that is what is wrong with me, I think I'll live with your disdain.

PS - How is someone born a winner? That implies others are born losers. I must have missed how that happens in biology class way back when. Does the doctor determine that at birth?
 
06029 said:
Do you want to start the list of coaching failures with the exact same pedigree? Better yet, start a list of coaches given their first HC job in D1 with the same pedigree that were wildly successful? The list is very short and includes a former Uconn coach who is not so successful right now.

Being a rousing success as a head coach in D1/BCS/P5 FB entails so many things beyond pedigree. You need support from the school, the fans, the boosters, the players, the recruiting pipeline, the media, etc. Where does BD and Uconn fall in terms of all the factors? Maybe 50% or 60% of the way there in my opinion which is what makes what he says, how he says it and what he projects even more important. From a fan perspective, from a recruiting perspective to the media's perspective. You love what he says, that's great. I'm not that easy right now.

And thanks for encouraging open discussion. My problem has always been thinking independently mixed in with bitter disappointment of unfulfilled coaching expectations. If that is what is wrong with me, I think I'll live with your disdain.

PS - How is someone born a winner? That implies others are born losers. I must have missed how that happens in biology class way back when. Does the doctor determine that at birth?
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If you feel so inclined be my guest. Just saying its helped some why won't it help here. It could be beneficial for a young team to get their feet underneath them. Just my perspective.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Yeah, Diaco clearly has an image problem. Unlike Brian Kelly, who's image and judgement is squeaky clean. Kelly only put a kid on a scissor lift 50 feet in the air with wind gusts over 50mph.

http://deadspin.com/5675694/prelude...re-dame-student-died-and-why-he-shouldnt-have

This man clearly improved the university's image.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/brian-kelly-is-apopleptic/
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Not to mention playing Prince Shembo who likely sexually assaulted and caused the suicide of Lizzy Seeberg. But as we all know, the South Bend and ND PD did as good a job on that investigation as the Tallahassee PD did with Jameis Winston.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
I'd worry more about cleaning up your squeaky clean image rather than worrying about how Diaco is doing at UConn.
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The poster you are replying to here was moving the discussion forward. No need for the insult.
 
WingU-Conn said:
If winning is the priority, why is he only employing this strategy for the first 3 games? How many games must you see the players to really evaluate them? They get better by playing. Why not play them 6 instead of 3. Or 9 instead of 6? Why not use this whole season to evaluate?
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Evidently Diaco thinks three games is the number necessary. Why he thinks it's three versus six? I don't know, you'll have to ask him.
 
Irishfan said:
Evidently Diaco thinks three games is the number necessary. Why he thinks it's three versus six? I don't know, you'll have to ask him.
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Irishfan said:
How many players can be played before you determine that winning is not a priority. Obviously 50 is too many. Is 40 too many? Or do we have to go down into the mid 30's.
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Hypocrite
 
freescooter said:
ibleedblue,
Are you really going to try and argue that coaches can't evaluate players based on practice? Despite the fact they've been doing it since there have been organized sports? Some folks surely go to extremes to defend their positions.
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Supposedly last year Casey was a bad practice player - yet someone decided to evaluate him in a game situation as opposed to just practice, correct?

Maybe sometimes practice evaluation isnt enough - I dont know, I am not a football coach or scout, just a guy on a message board.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Thank you for your interest in UConn football.
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My interest in UConn football is Diaco. I've met him a few times and thought he was a really nice guy. I wish him well, and would like to see UConn win a lot of games this year. I became a member here the day Diaco announced that he was going to UConn. I can see Diaco moving back to ND one day, so while I would like to see him be successful, it's honestly not for my love of UConn although I did have a niece that went there.
 
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06029 said:
Not to mention playing Prince Shembo who likely s e xually assaulted and caused the suicide of Lizzy Seeberg. But as we all know, the South Bend and ND PD did as good a job on that investigation as the Tallahassee PD did with Jameis Winston.
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Just curious, do you know what Lizzy said that Shembo did?
 
Irishfan said:
Just curious, do you know what Lizzy said that Shembo did?
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Its called the internet. The stories are out there including some real extensive and detailed versions. Not the venue but feel good about defending ND and Shembo if you need to. Do you also support Jameis Winston?
 
06029 said:
Its called the internet. The stories are out there including some real extensive and detailed versions. Not the venue but feel good about defending ND and Shembo if you need to. Do you also support Jameis Winston?
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So I'll assume that means that the answer to my question was no, you don't know.
 
Irishfan said:
What is the connection between those two posts that would make one, or the other hypocritical.
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Ignore the obvious. Thank you for your interest in UConn Football.
 
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Irishfan said:
The obvious being that you don't know the definition of hypocrite.
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The logic in my questions to you is the same as the logic in your questions to Jimmy.

You gave an answer to your own first question "obviously 50 is too many" but refused to give an answer to my question "ask Diaco".

Hypocrite.

And you've still refused to answer this question.

What are the first three games preparation for?
 
Bonehead said:
Supposedly last year Casey was a bad practice player - yet someone decided to evaluate him in a game situation as opposed to just practice, correct?

Maybe sometimes practice evaluation isnt enough - I dont know, I am not a football coach or scout, just a guy on a message board.
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Sure. It happens sometimes that guys are better in games than they show in practice. But it isn't the norm. Nobody put Casey in to evaluate him. They were simply desperate and had already tried the other two guys on the roster. In that case it worked out, but it isn't the way most guys earn playing time.
 
WingU-Conn said:
The logic in my questions to you is the same as the logic in your questions to Jimmy.

You gave an answer to your own first question "obviously 50 is too many" but refused to give an answer to my question "ask Diaco".

Hypocrite.

And you've still refused to answer this question.

What are the first three games preparation for?
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OK, as you might have read, I stated that Kelly at ND played 57 players in his first game this year. Diaco worked under Kelly or several years and probably feels that playing a large number of players is not a problem, and is actually a good thing. My comment about 50 being too many was based on another poster saying that playing 50 was a sign that Diaco wasn't interested in winning. My question being that if 50 was too many, what is an acceptable number? Is it 40? Is it mid 30's?

The question as to why is three games the number that should be used as preparation goes hand in hand with the question of how many players is an acceptable number in the first game. At some point you have to believe that the coach knows what he is doing. If you think he is clueless as to the number of players you are playing, and how to prepare for the season, then you obviously think UConn made a poor choice for coach.

I personally think they made a good choice.
 
WingU-Conn said:
If winning is the priority, why is he only employing this strategy for the first 3 games? How many games must you see the players to really evaluate them? They get better by playing. Why not play them 6 instead of 3. Or 9 instead of 6? Why not use this whole season to evaluate?
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The first three games are OOC games. Diaco, who coached his first game as a HC against BYU oviously wanted to win the game, but at the same time he hasn't seen the roster play in real live games. Diaco needs to evaluate the talent he has and how the players will respond to live games, his new system, and there coaching. The best way to do this is through live games, you can't see how players will react to certain situations in practices. It just doesn't work that way.

Question "WingU-Conn", do you believe this team was going to be one of the four teams in the playoffs? and possibly win the championship?

Bob Diaco knows that this team was not going to the playoffs or win a national championship this year or the next. He's a realist, like I am. He believes that we can possibly win the AAC conference so why not treat the first three games like a preseason game? rotating players and giving the back-ups playing time makes us a stronger, better team.

I'm sure he'll tighten up his rotations as these next couple of games come along. I think we will be a dangerous team in the AAC and they better watch out. We need to be patient and supportive. The wins will eventually come, but first he needs to build more than a program, he also needs to build a strong football team and that takes time.
 
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Irishfan said:
OK, as you might have read, I stated that Kelly at ND played 57 players in his first game this year. Diaco worked under Kelly or several years and probably feels that playing a large number of players is not a problem, and is actually a good thing. My comment about 50 being too many was based on another poster saying that playing 50 was a sign that Diaco wasn't interested in winning. My question being that if 50 was too many, what is an acceptable number? Is it 40? Is it mid 30's?

The question as to why is three games the number that should be used as preparation goes hand in hand with the question of how many players is an acceptable number in the first game. At some point you have to believe that the coach knows what he is doing. If you think he is clueless as to the number of players you are playing, and how to prepare for the season, then you obviously think UConn made a poor choice for coach.

I personally think they made a good choice.
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I agree
 
UconnFamily said:
The first three games are OOC games. Diaco, who coached his first game as a HC against BYU oviously wanted to win the game, but at the same time he hasn't seen the roster play in real live games. Diaco needs to evaluate the talent he has and how the players will respond to live games, his new system, and there coaching. The best way to do this is through live games, you can't see how players will react to certain situations in practices. It just doesn't work that way.

Question "WingU-Conn", do you believe this team was going to be one of the four teams in the playoffs? and possibly win the championship?

Bob Diaco knows that this team was not going to the playoffs or win a national championship this year or the next. He's a realist, like I am. He believes that we can possibly win the AAC conference so why not treat the first three games like a preseason game? rotating players and giving the back-ups playing time makes us a stronger, better team.

I'm sure he'll tighten up his rotations as these next couple of games come along. I think we will be a dangerous team in the AAC and they better watch out. We need to be patient and supportive. The wins will eventually come, but first he needs to build more than a program, he also needs to build a strong football team and that takes time.
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You should read what I wrote in the rest of the thread. Then get back to me. Pay special attention to my first three posts.
 
Irishfan said:
OK, as you might have read, I stated that Kelly at ND played 57 players in his first game this year. Diaco worked under Kelly or several years and probably feels that playing a large number of players is not a problem, and is actually a good thing. My comment about 50 being too many was based on another poster saying that playing 50 was a sign that Diaco wasn't interested in winning. My question being that if 50 was too many, what is an acceptable number? Is it 40? Is it mid 30's?

The question as to why is three games the number that should be used as preparation goes hand in hand with the question of how many players is an acceptable number in the first game. At some point you have to believe that the coach knows what he is doing. If you think he is clueless as to the number of players you are playing, and how to prepare for the season, then you obviously think UConn made a poor choice for coach.

I personally think they made a good choice.
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Are you intentionally obtuse? Or do you still believe that his primary goal was winning Friday night?

Because if he's using the first three games "to prepare for the season". Then he's missing the fact that the season already started, or accepting the fact that he might be more likely to lose these early games as he develops and evaluates players for later in the season.

You can't have it both ways.
 
Irishfan said:
OK, as you might have read, I stated that Kelly at ND played 57 players in his first game this year. Diaco worked under Kelly or several years and probably feels that playing a large number of players is not a problem, and is actually a good thing. My comment about 50 being too many was based on another poster saying that playing 50 was a sign that Diaco wasn't interested in winning. My question being that if 50 was too many, what is an acceptable number? Is it 40? Is it mid 30's?

The question as to why is three games the number that should be used as preparation goes hand in hand with the question of how many players is an acceptable number in the first game. At some point you have to believe that the coach knows what he is doing. If you think he is clueless as to the number of players you are playing, and how to prepare for the season, then you obviously think UConn made a poor choice for coach.

I personally think they made a good choice.
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Uh, ok. Sure. Playing 57 players in a blowout win against Rice is equivalent to playing 50 players (including quite a few freshmen) in the first half of a game against BYU where you are 17 point underdogs. I'd imagine most of the 57 players played in garbage time.

To answer you're question, in the first half of football you really shouldn't be playing more than 35 guys. Even that is high. To play 50 in the first half is just utterly ridiculous if you're trying to win that game. By the way, I'm fine with Diaco if his approach to this is long term. I may not agree with it, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his idea of trying to win the game is playing 50 guys in the first half, then yes I think we have bigger problems.
 
UconnFamily said:
He's a realist, like I am. He believes that we can possibly win the AAC conference so why not treat the first three games like a preseason game?
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Honest question: Can you call yourself a realist and say that?
 
WingU-Conn said:
Are you intentionally obtuse? Or do you still believe that his primary goal was winning Friday night?

Because if he's using the first three games "to prepare for the season". Then he's missing the fact that the season already started, or accepting the fact that he might be more likely to lose these early games as he develops and evaluates players for later in the season.

You can't have it both ways.
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Is maximizing our chance of beating BYU more important than maximizing the # of wins this season?

Would you rather go 5-7 with a win over BYU OR 7-5 with a loss to BYU?
 
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