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WingU-Conn said:
Your next post on the topic of the thread will be your first.

He went after our coach. He's fair game.
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What are you talking about. I was the only one who was supporting your coach. Everyone else was saying he had no interest in winning, had given up, and was writing off the first three games of the year. I was saying that playing a lot of players is something he is used to and it has worked well for him in the past.

And are you seriously saying that the person who posted a picture of the ND defensive players being investigated wasn't taking a shot at Diaco. Give me a break.

I don't care if you guys like Diaco, as I've said before, I've met him a few times and like him a lot. I wish him well and would like to see him back at ND some day. But I think he will be a very good head coach if you guys don't run I'm out of town in his first year.
 
Irishfan said:
What are you talking about. I was the only one who was supporting your coach. Everyone else was saying he had no interest in winning, had given up, and was writing off the first three games of the year. I was saying that playing a lot of players is something he is used to and it has worked well for him in the past.

And are you seriously saying that the person who posted a picture of the ND defensive players being investigated wasn't taking a shot at Diaco. Give me a break.

I don't care if you guys like Diaco, as I've said before, I've met him a few times and like him a lot. I wish him well and would like to see him back at ND some day. But I think he will be a very good head coach if you guys don't run I'm out of town in his first year.
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That picture I posted was not a shot at Diaco, it was a shot at you and ND. You go ahead and throw Diaco under the bus because they are defensive players.

Hopefully you'll get the hint soon to buzz off.
 
sportsart said:
That picture I posted was not a shot at Diaco, it was a shot at you and ND. You go ahead and throw Diaco under the bus because they are defensive players.

Hopefully you'll get the hint soon to buzz off.
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Nice job, yes I'm sure the whole Diaco connection was just a coincidence. You would never take a shot at your coach.
 
whaler11 said:
While that is a nice goal it's nowhere near the same probability as a 7 seed winning the tourney.

It's not even in the same galaxy.
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Really? Before this year, a #7 seed had never won a championship.

I've plenty of teams go from something like 3-5 in conference to 6-2 champions
 
sdhusky said:
Really? Before this year, a #7 seed had never won a championship.

I've plenty of teams go from something like 3-5 in conference to 6-2 champions
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Lol that is hardly the same thing.

First of all the NCAA tourney is completely different - there used to be a handful of teams that could win - now Kentucky sleepwalks through a season and puts a future NBA roster in as an 8 seed. Ten years ago a team like Villanova would have been closer to a 12 seed than a 2.

Secondly, sure 3-5 teams win conferences the next year. If you watched UConn on Friday and think that team has a better chance to win the AAC than Napier and company had to win the NCAA tourney then I'd suggest an introductory class on probability and statistics.
 
Irishfan said:
Just as FYI, in Brian Kelly's opening season loss to South Florida in 2011, ND played 53 players. Face it Bob Diaco's mentor has a habit of playing a lot of players in the first game of the season. I expect Diaco to take some game practices from the things Kelly does. If you think this is a recipe for mediocrity that's fine, but it's worked well for Kelly, and I would expect Diaco to continue it in the future.
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Too bad for Diaco there wasn't a thunderstorm to change the course of the game.
 
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whaler11 said:
Lol that is hardly the same thing.

First of all the NCAA tourney is completely different - there used to be a handful of teams that could win - now Kentucky sleepwalks through a season and puts a future NBA roster in as an 8 seed. Ten years ago a team like Villanova would have been closer to a 12 seed than a 2.

Secondly, sure 3-5 teams win conferences the next year. If you watched UConn on Friday and think that team has a better chance to win the AAC than Napier and company had to win the NCAA tourney then I'd suggest an introductory class on probability and statistics.
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Whaler, no disrespect, but I took graduate level stat classes at UCONN and make my living using that knowledge every single day.

Last year, Auburn went from winless in the country to SEC champ & #2 in the country.

In 2011, Ohio St was 3-5 in the B1G and then went 12-0 in 2012.

It actually happens all the time in football.
 
FYI, the two times UCONN won the BE, we were 3-4 & 1-6 the previous year in conference.

Not much different than 3-5.

But, go ahead whale, teach me about stats.
 
We can run as many players in and out as we like but our main issue is still the offensive line. And yes the coach's actions and statements indicate he is making compromises in the present to build for the future. I'm not totally on board to the extent he's taking it but I'll choose him in a heartbeat over what we had.
 
Jimdish255 said:
We can run as many players in and out as we like but our main issue is still the offensive line. And yes the coach's actions and statements indicate he is making compromises in the present to build for the future. I'm not totally on board to the extent he's taking it but I'll choose him in a heartbeat over what we had.
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The offensive line didn't seem to be the issue, well to me anyway. I think they played really good against BYU. I think the issue is the QB rotation, taking out Cochran when he rallies the team to the goal line is not a good move by Diaco. Cochran is hot and in rhythm and then you pull him out to bring in a cold not in rhythm Whitmer is not going to help the team score many points. It sucks that Cochran is injured and I hope he comes back soon, but now at-least we get to see how the offense responds to just one QB.
 
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sdhusky said:
Whaler, no disrespect, but I took graduate level stat classes at UCONN and make my living using that knowledge every single day.

Last year, Auburn went from winless in the country to SEC champ & #2 in the country.

In 2011, Ohio St was 3-5 in the B1G and then went 12-0 in 2012.

It actually happens all the time in football.
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Yeah it happens in a large sample size.

It doesn't happen to the team we saw last Friday.

If you want to ignore the additional data they delivered you can fantasize about conference championships.
 
freescooter said:
ibleedblue,
Are you really going to try and argue that coaches can't evaluate players based on practice? Despite the fact they've been doing it since there have been organized sports? Some folks surely go to extremes to defend their positions.
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Actually, yes, that is exactly correct. There is a difference between practice and game speed. Especially against an actual opponent as opposed to the scout team, or even your own first team offense / defense that is used to playing against the same playbook practice after practice.

The idea that you can completely evaluate your team entirely in practice is naive.
 
whaler11 said:
Yeah it happens in a large sample size.

It doesn't happen to the team we saw last Friday.

If you want to ignore the additional data they delivered you can fantasize about conference championships.
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Ummm not to get all statisically on you but, one game isn't a large sample size. But you're the expert on stats.
 
sdhusky said:
Ummm not to get all statisically on you but, one game isn't a large sample size. But you're the expert on stats.
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Yeah your examples of teams rising from the dead was the large sample size I was talking about. Thousands of bad teams and you've got a handful of examples.

Nevada/California is a safe distance to predict a conference championship is in play.

It is at least 10 times more likely UConn loses to Stony Brook than they win a conf title.
 
whaler11 said:
It is at least 10 times more likely UConn loses to Stony Brook than they win a conf title.
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Pulling numbers out of your butt?

Or did you do some fancy regression?
 
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Deadrody said:
Actually, yes, that is exactly correct. There is a difference between practice and game speed. Especially against an actual opponent as opposed to the scout team, or even your own first team offense / defense that is used to playing against the same playbook practice after practice.

The idea that you can completely evaluate your team entirely in practice is naive.
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Actually, if you've got significant differences in practice speed and game speed, you've got a pretty big problem.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Actually, if you've got significant differences in practice speed and game speed, you've got a pretty big problem.
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You know its a different experience Carl. Its about the transition and finding those 22 that can play fast when the lights go on.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
You know its a different experience Carl. Its about the transition and finding those 22 that can play fast when the lights go on.
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yeah, I guess you're right. We are still in preparation phase of this season. By the time the season starts, we'll have settled on those 22 for a lineup and be able to ramp up the speed of play in practices. I guess I'm just not used to those kinds of time frames being flexible like they are now.
 
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Carl Spackler said:
yeah, I guess you're right. We are still in preparation phase of this season. By the time the season starts, we'll have settled on those 22 for a lineup and be able to ramp up the speed of play in practices. I guess I'm just not used to those kinds of time frames being flexible like they are now.
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New head coaches too.
 
whaler11 said:
Lol that is hardly the same thing.

First of all the NCAA tourney is completely different - there used to be a handful of teams that could win - now Kentucky sleepwalks through a season and puts a future NBA roster in as an 8 seed. Ten years ago a team like Villanova would have been closer to a 12 seed than a 2.

Secondly, sure 3-5 teams win conferences the next year. If you watched UConn on Friday and think that team has a better chance to win the AAC than Napier and company had to win the NCAA tourney then I'd suggest an introductory class on probability and statistics.
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I suggest he re-watch that game and maybe sign up for Diaco's Football for women next year...
 
freescooter said:
I suggest he re-watch that game and maybe sign up for Diaco's Football for women next year...
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Wow. The guy who posted about 250 times about why Ollie was a terrible hire is talking smack.
 
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whaler11 said:
While that is a nice goal it's nowhere near the same probability as a 7 seed winning the tourney. It's not even in the same galaxy.
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If that's the case what are we arguing about since you don't think we can win any games anyway?
 
He came out and said he wasn't going to watch last year's film. So clearly he wanted to see his guys run his stuff against live opponents in a real game situation.

My guess is if this was year two and we were playing a top 25ish school he wouldn't be that liberal because he knows what most of his guys can do. And I'm sure he would have preferred not playing BYU to open his career here.

If anything, I'm irritated at Max for fumbling and taking the air out of the stadium. Everything after that to me was "well let's see how the team responds"...anyone that seriously thought we were coming back to win after that given the opponent overindulged in the Pregame.

I seriously can't figure out why everyone is so mad. Get a W today and get one next week and we will be 2-1. Something we haven't seen in a very long time. If we are 1-2 or 0-3 then get as mad as you like. But most of the people that are most critical had us down for an L anyway. Chill.
 
J187Money said:
If that's the case what are we arguing about since you don't think we can win any games anyway?
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How does not winning a conference championshio = dont think we can win any games?
 
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