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You realize he didn't actually demand a trade? You're just ranting about "kids these days" based upon someone thinking out loud on this board? You're the guy that has no qualms about 50 year old coaches chasing money and leaving kids high and dry but it absolutely tears you up when an 18 year old does it. nO lOyAlTy.
Did I say he demanded a trade? No. I called out a poster for saying he should.

Also, I have never said anything about it being okay for coaches to chase money and its not for kids.

The "kids these days", your term, not mine, was directed at the attitude of poster, not Hawkins.

Its hard to make 3 points based on reading comprehension and miss on all three. But congrats you're the guy who can do it.
 
I am trying to work out how anyone who knows anything about Craig Hawkins (Jordan’s dad, a good dude but TOUGH!) walks away thinking he has been “coddled.”
LMFAO, I know right? If anything I came away with the impression that Craig Hawkins was the opposite of a coddler.
 
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I know every fan base has this but it always surprises me when people make things up - in this case both stats and anecdotes - to run down a UConn player.
I love the team. I’ve been on this board for 4 national championships. I’m just being honest. Amazing shooter. Isn’t a finished product. Isn’t an efficient player. I think putting him through some adversity is a good thing for him. He won’t fold like Bouk. He’ll take it personal and work his butt off and toughen up.
 
I pretty much quoted your exact language to highlight how untenable your characterizations were. As such, I don't have to "wake up," because I know how to read.

If your argument is so strong, then why did you feel the need to write "over and over at the slightest adversity," and then soften the language in your responses to my specific pointed criticisms? I say that you have not defined and cannot defend "slightest adversity," while at the same timing overstating the prevalence of multiple transfers, which necessitates at least 3 schools. I'll bet that double transfers represent a small percentage of players that, in raw numbers, is too many for your liking.

Your highly dramatic proposition rests on positing that it represents "the sentiment of the generation" to "cry and quit" when things don't go "perfect [sic]." And you are perplexed by pushback?

I generously gave you an immediate escape in asking if your hyperbolic language was parody. I offered a second chance by allowing that your self-claimed "guess" was bad, but you're having none of it. Instead, you toughen your stance, ask with claimed good faith whether I follow college sports or not, find the quoted accuracy of my criticisms "absurd," and claim your puzzlement as a "honest." This response rests on believing you in that regard.

However, when you quote your own post to add some more fuel, you close with a combination of dishonest characterization of me and an equivocated stance to add emphasis to how wrong I am, as though I'm foolishly thinking what you've falsely written: "... no one is quitting and transferring when faced with adversity in their current situation."

This round I've put the quotation marks around words that you wrote. If they don't represent you, just say so. Are you goading me to read your bluster, lose patience, follow your example, give my take a boost, and call you a drama queen?

I get that you have some issues with multiple transferring: maybe you include Vance Jackson or Akok Akok, in addition to Nahiem Alleyne; maybe James Akinjo, Lukas Kisunas, or Makai Ashton-Langford come to mind. Personally, I'm a Kasongo guy, but that's just so people want associate me with absurdity have something to work with. It's a big tent.

College football's merry-go-round? Ya got me on that one. I usually enjoying late summer and autumn doing stuff outside, but I saw something while flipping channels last week (?) about a top QB going somewhere else, and a few high profile decommits. None of what I saw mentioned "slightest adversity," crying, quitting, inability to deal with imperfection, etc. Again, your words.

And Jordan Hawkins to the G League? I don't check in on the NBA much until less than half the league is remaining in the playoffs. I'll watch highlights of Huskies and wish for their success, but you won't see me trafficking in angst-ridden apoplexy over the further decline of Western Civilization. That's for other folks. But I know when somebody's trying to browbeat me into going their way, and, well, I've got a granddaughter to visit 159 steps from where I am right now.
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I love the team. I’ve been on this board for 4 national championships. I’m just being honest. Amazing shooter. Isn’t a finished product. Isn’t an efficient player. I think putting him through some adversity is a good thing for him. He won’t fold like Bouk. He’ll take it personal and work his butt off and toughen up.
What about his ppm or shooting percentages in his NBA minutes made him inefficient I am begging you to educate me
 
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She was going for "Hawk" I guess.
Ahhh…was thinking “the eagle has landed” but maybe I just know my birds. Her team is named for a bird, she may need a refresher.
 
Ahhh…was thinking “the eagle has landed” but maybe I just know my birds. Her team is named for a bird, she may need a refresher.
Sometimes people choose emojis that don't make sense for the recipient because of differences between emoji art with different carriers... but I'm pretty sure all the eagle emojis are pretty clearly eagles.
 
I love the team. I’ve been on this board for 4 national championships. I’m just being honest. Amazing shooter. Isn’t a finished product. Isn’t an efficient player. I think putting him through some adversity is a good thing for him. He won’t fold like Bouk. He’ll take it personal and work his butt off and toughen up.

Right. What I was saying is your “least efficient” thing is wrong - they can measure these things - and I flat out don’t believe your story about people telling you his parents coddled him. It’s like saying “yeah a lot of people told me Dan Hurley and his brother were coddled by Bob Sr.” It’s absurd. Ask anyone at DeMatha about Jordan and his family. (By the way, there are far worse defensive players currently on the NO roster. The take on Jordan from NBA people in the know is that he’s not Gary Payton but he’s far from a terrible defensive player and has the room to grow into a pretty good one.)

So again, I just find it weird that people bend over backwards and make things up to on kids that come thru the program. But it’s a free country.
 
Right. What I was saying is your “least efficient” thing is wrong - they can measure these things - and I flat out don’t believe your story about people telling you his parents coddled him. It’s like saying “yeah a lot of people told me Dan Hurley and his brother were coddled by Bob Sr.” It’s absurd. Ask anyone at DeMatha about Jordan and his family. (By the way, there are far worse defensive players currently on the NO roster. The take on Jordan from NBA people in the know is that he’s not Gary Payton but he’s far from a terrible defensive player and has the room to grow into a pretty good one.)

So again, I just find it weird that people bend over backwards and make things up to on kids that come thru the program. But it’s a free country.
I love Jordan, but sometimes I question if you believe these things you say without proof or do you just say them to defend the program.

The numbers do actually say Hawk is bottom 2 least efficient players in the rotation. Where are you seeing otherwise?

The one area he is doing well is defense, his rating is the best in the lineup. I’m confused where you are seeing he’s an efficient player though.
 
I love Jordan, but sometimes I question if you believe these things you say without proof or do you just say them to defend the program.

The numbers do actually say Hawk is bottom 2 least efficient players in the rotation. Where are you seeing otherwise?

The one area he is doing well is defense, his rating is the best in the lineup. I’m confused where you are seeing he’s an efficient player though.

Perfect. Listen, I’m sure you’re a good dude but I find your posts about UConn’s roster, player development, Hurley’s coaching, what Calhoun did versus Hurley, etc. to be so incredibly bizarre that I’ve got no interest in taking this any further. Enjoy the weekend.
 
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I love Jordan, but sometimes I question if you believe these things you say without proof or do you just say them to defend the program.

The numbers do actually say Hawk is bottom 2 least efficient players in the rotation. Where are you seeing otherwise?

The one area he is doing well is defense, his rating is the best in the lineup. I’m confused where you are seeing he’s an efficient player though.
Numbers need context.

Because the majority of his minutes have come with the Pelicans best players off the court vs. on with him and for some reason the majority of games he's started has been against playoff caliber teams (and often on the road).

Here are the teams he's started against:

@Nuggets
@Thunder
@Timberwolves
Timberwolves
Mavericks
Warriors
@jazz
@Rockets
Pistons

6 of the 9 are against top 6 teams + Warriors, 2 of the remaining 3 on the road.

In the 9 games, the team was missing one of McCollum, Zion, or Ingram in every game and 4/9 they were missing 2. Ingram missed 3 of them, Zion for 4 of them, and McCollum for 6 of them. Herb Jones also missed 3 of the 9. Trey Murphy didn't play in any of the 9. Alvarado missed 8 and Naji 7 of the 9.

Valanciunas and Dyson Daniels are the only guy to play all 9 with him. Matt Ryan and Larry Nance played in 8, Kira Lewis in 7.

So of what appears to be the main healthy 9 man rotation (Zion, Ingram, McCollum, Valanciunas, Jones, Murphy, Alvarado, Marshall, Daniels) they missed a combined 40 of the 81 combined possible games. So he was playing with essentially half the team's talent in his starts.

Hawkins was -69 in those 9 games and +1 in all other 18 games when he came off the bench. He shot 33% from 3 when forced into being a starter and 39.2% when as a non-garbage time reserve.
 
A little adversity may be good for him. I spoke with some people who felt he has coddled by his parents throughout his career might not be ready. Needs to add some weight in the off-season, I don’t think he can defend at a NBA level right now. Also needs to keep working on his ball handling, i’d make him the g league point guard and force him to get better. I don’t see where he “lit it up” he was the least efficient offensive player they had.
I dont think you could be any more wrong wit the “coddled” take, wrong family for that
 
Numbers need context.

Because the majority of his minutes have come with the Pelicans best players off the court vs. on with him and for some reason the majority of games he's started has been against playoff caliber teams (and often on the road).

Here are the teams he's started against:

@Nuggets
@Thunder
@Timberwolves
Timberwolves
Mavericks
Warriors
@jazz
@Rockets
Pistons

6 of the 9 are against top 6 teams + Warriors, 2 of the remaining 3 on the road.

In the 9 games, the team was missing one of McCollum, Zion, or Ingram in every game and 4/9 they were missing 2. Ingram missed 3 of them, Zion for 4 of them, and McCollum for 6 of them. Herb Jones also missed 3 of the 9. Trey Murphy didn't play in any of the 9. Alvarado missed 8 and Naji 7 of the 9.

Valanciunas and Dyson Daniels are the only guy to play all 9 with him. Matt Ryan and Larry Nance played in 8, Kira Lewis in 7.

So of what appears to be the main healthy 9 man rotation (Zion, Ingram, McCollum, Valanciunas, Jones, Murphy, Alvarado, Marshall, Daniels) they missed a combined 40 of the 81 combined possible games. So he was playing with essentially half the team's talent in his starts.

Hawkins was -69 in those 9 games and +1 in all other 18 games when he came off the bench. He shot 33% from 3 when forced into being a starter and 39.2% when as a non-garbage time reserve.
That’s fine. BigM said that the numbers didn’t say that when they did though and that the guy was straight up wrong. I was wondering where he got that from.

He has a tendency to try and call people out with nothing to back it up and I just wanted to see if he actually saw that wasn’t true or if he was just saying it to say it. It gets tiring in some cases.

Based on your response that didn’t show otherwise but just tried to provide context, it seems like the guy was indeed right by saying he’s not efficient.
 
Love seeing Hawkins perform. I thought it was crazy they sent him down, so checked the advanced stats. Not so crazy. VORP is worst on the Pels. BPM is -3.5. Seems clear he needs to do more than score.
 
Your post unintentionally proves my point, and at the sane time completely misses the original point.
I love when people say these types of things but don't make any effort to show how.
 
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Love seeing Hawkins perform. I thought it was crazy they sent him down, so checked the advanced stats. Not so crazy. VORP is worst on the Pels. BPM is -3.5. Seems clear he needs to do more than score.

He actually was, before the benching, near the top of the Pels list for "hockey assists" meaning he moves the ball well also. For a team that is often iso heavy that is pretty important. Not saying he should get playing time over CJ, et al, but he does more than just shoot threes. Like Andre he brought some good non-countable stuff to the game.

I believe I wrote before he still is the leader in corner threes taken and made which brings a different gravity than the top of the key ones CJ and Trey take. Though that is not saying CJ and Trey can't take and make those, but the coaches don't run plays for them to do so often.
 
I just saw this about the Pels earlier today "That process gets harder if three of the crunch-time five are non-threats from deep."
 
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