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OT: Hats off to Tom Brady

Umami Zen said:
Brady gets some of the headlines. This game was won in the trenches by Tampa Bay on both sides of the ball, Patrick never looked totally comfortable with the schemes and heat the D was bringing.
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The Bucs D destroyed them. BUT, the Bucs O adjusted to the KC D. First two series, the Bucs O leaked pretty badly and they were getting blitzed. Brady was sacked. They just adjusted and started doing screens, misdirections, and they ran it more. KC with Mahomes just kept looking for the home run. You have to counter when you're getting destroyed. Run the ball, step up in the pocket because your tackles can't wall off the pass rushers when you're dropping 10 yards.

But anyway, Brady did what he had to do to get on top of them. Anyone who's watched Brady had to know he wasn't going to risk a 20 point lead in the second half by being aggressive.
 
superjohn said:
Craziest part is I'm sure Brady will be the favorite to win again next year, Tampa is absolutely loaded.
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Godwin was his security blanket. He and Evans are not in sync. Miller is a home run hitter, not a slot guy.

If Godwin goes, they'll need someone who can become that possession receiver. Maybe Tyler Johnson can do it, but Godwin is a special player. I hope the Patriots sign him.
 
jdb50 said:
I am not a Brady fan. Been a life long Giants fan. I was rooting for the Pats against the Bears. The only Super Bowl he played in that I wanted the Patriots to win was the first one and mainly because of Tebucky Jones being on the team. Brady's preparation and understanding of the game so that he rarely makes mistakes are his keys to success. Then he consistently makes accurate throws. The TD to Antonio Brown was amazingly accurate. Brady's workout nutrition regime keep him looking like he is not aging. Another thing he he has done his whole career is not take many hits. For him to go from the Pats and wind up on a team that protected him quite well was a great business decision. It takes some luck too for your O-line to stay healthy. If Brady had KC's offensive line yesterday with his current state of mobility and had to face Tampa's D he would be announcing his retirement today.
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The Bucs QB coach was on McAfee's show this morning and he said ABrown got the whole play wrong. He was supposed to run in, pivot and go outside. He did the opposite. Brady just went with it.

Brady's line last year was just like KC's last night. 4 injuries. QBs with a bad Oline look bad. But you don't need an all-world OLine. Brady has had a mediocre OLine his whole career, with only one Pro Bowler (Mankins, who never played on a Super Bowl team).
 
Some of these Giants fans posing here don't speak for all of us. At this point to argue against Brady being the best ever is just being obnoxious. We beat him twice so why not hang our hats on that?
 
Vuce said:
Damn forgot about that one. Another poster earlier said something like 7, let that sink in for a second. So, 11 let that sink in for a second
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Apples and Oranges. Different sports, completely irrelevant.
 
Huskybass said:
Apples and Oranges. Different sports, completely irrelevant.
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And to me Brady’s 7 is not more impressive than Russell’s 11 so yeah it is apples and oranges
 
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FriarJ said:
LOL, many many QB's have had great offensive lines. Where he separates himself is he gets rid of the ball quicker than anyone who has played and he has an otherworldly pocket presence to go along with incredible calm foot movement around the inside of the pocket. Brett Favre said this weekend that he has talked to many other HOF QB's and they all agree to a man that that is what separates him from the rest and if they could have one trait of Brady that would have made them better players they all say it's his pocket presence and ability to read quickly.
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Don't disagree with you on his pocket presence. Very efficient. Results speak for themselves. Not many defensive schemes he hasn't seen if he has the time to read and react.

My point was it is usually the O line giving him the time vs his foot speed/nimbleness.
 
Deepster said:
Meh. Look at Jerry Rice and Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss. Johnson didn’t have near the ticker those guys have.
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He played his entire career for one of the most moribund franchises in sports. One dude, no matter how good, is not going to change the fortunes of a football team, especially one that's been as poorly run as the Detroit Lions.
 
Vuce said:
And to me Brady’s 7 is not more impressive than Russell’s 11 so yeah it is apples and oranges
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Russell's 11 is only one more than the next closest teammate and that equates to 10%. There are also a handful of other Celtics with eight championships. Also, the NBA had 10 teams during Russell's era and the NFL currently has 32 teams making it much more difficult. Brady's seven is 40% more than the next closest player in the NFL and none of Brady's teammates have more than four.

Having said that, Russell was an incredible winner, with 2 more NCAA Championships and an Olympic Gold as well. Brady is in great company to be in the conversation with Russell.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
He played his entire career for one of the most moribund franchises in sports. One dude, no matter how good, is not going to change the fortunes of a football team, especially one that's been as poorly run as the Detroit Lions.
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Lions won 1 playoff game since the merger, that 1 win was 29 years ago.
 
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Huskybass said:
Russell's 11 is only one more than the next closest teammate and that equates to 10%. There are also a handful of other Celtics with eight championships. Also, the NBA had 10 teams during Russell's era and the NFL currently has 32 teams making it much more difficult. Brady's seven is 40% more than the next closest player in the NFL and none of Brady's teammates have more than four.

Having said that, Russell was an incredible winner, with 2 more NCAA Championships and an Olympic Gold as well. Brady is in great company to be in the conversation with Russell.
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And Russell won 11 in 13 seasons, kind of silly to compare different sports.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
He played his entire career for one of the most moribund franchises in sports. One dude, no matter how good, is not going to change the fortunes of a football team, especially one that's been as poorly run as the Detroit Lions.
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That's myopic. He had Matt Stafford as his QB who threw for 4,900 and 5,000 yds in a season and will go down as a really under appreciated statistical QB leader when he's done.
 
Vuce said:
And to me Brady’s 7 is not more impressive than Russell’s 11 so yeah it is apples and oranges
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It has to be different. Brady’s competing against what 3 or 4 times the amount of teams? During the height of the sport. Different ball game.
 
Deepster said:
Why?
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Apples and oranges as huskybass said because of different sports and all that. Brady is the best QB and player of all time in the NFL. To win championships in the NFL you need to be at least good in three phases of the game offense, defense and special teams. Brady didn’t play a lick of defense or any special teams to put him in a position to do what he does leading an offense. Not his fault, just the sport. In hoops Russell was playing offense and defense and could affect all parts of the game. Again, not his “fault” just the way the sport is. But that is why I think his 11 rings in 13 years is more impressive
 
Deepster said:
That's myopic. He had Matt Stafford as his QB who threw for 4,900 and 5,000 yds in a season and will go down as a really under appreciated statistical QB leader when he's done.
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Matt Stafford has won a grand total of zero playoff games in his career. I don't think it's all that myopic. Good players languish on bad football teams. I'm not sure why you'd be diminishing Calvin Johnson and not the guy throwing him the ball who never won anything either.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Matt Stafford has won a grand total of zero playoff games in his career. I don't think it's all that myopic. Good players languish on bad football teams. I'm not sure why you'd be diminishing Calvin Johnson and not the guy throwing him the ball who never won anything either.
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Detroit has 1 playoff win in 50 years. Tell me how Stafford with no one around him takes the bullets there.
 
Deepster said:
Detroit has 1 playoff win in 50 years. Tell me how Calvin Johnson with no one around him takes the bullets there.
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See?

I guess I'm just confused why a no-brainer HOF receiver like Calvin Johnson gets dinged but not the guy throwing him the ball. Stafford is the ultimate "good stats on a bad team" guy.
 
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8893 said:
As a lifelong Giants fan I hate the Pats and him and I am glad we are the only thing standing between him and two more Super Bowl rings, but damn there is no denying his greatness.

Unreal that he is going to another SB—at home—in year one in Tampa.
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Great performance by TB. MVP Todd Bowles
 
Dean Wormer said:
Some of these Giants fans posing here don't speak for all of us. At this point to argue against Brady being the best ever is just being obnoxious. We beat him twice so why not hang our hats on that?
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Giants fan here too, he's the GOAT QB no argument for Montana or anyone at all. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with that. All I have is beating them twice but he's always in the mix for a title for years and years, it's amazing. And those who say 'lucky" well the great ones get lucky because they create the opportunities for luck to impact their lives, careers.

Mt Rushmore of athletes, no not close too many alike winners.
 
Umami Zen said:
Don't disagree with you on his pocket presence. Very efficient. Results speak for themselves. Not many defensive schemes he hasn't seen if he has the time to read and react.

My point was it is usually the O line giving him the time vs his foot speed/nimbleness.
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He is very nimble in the pocket. Reminds me of Marino who used to play with a darn boot. Marino was similarly great moving around the pocket. Brady has been playing for 20 years behind many different linemen, most of them unwanted by other teams and unheralded. When he went to the Bucs, their fanbase thought he was going to get killed. Granted, I think the Bucs OL is more talented than any Brady has ever had before, but last year, they almost got Winston killed. It actually helps OL to know where their QB is going to be and it's almost impossible to block for a guy who ad libs.
 
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upstater said:
He is very nimble in the pocket. Reminds me of Marino who used to play with a darn boot. Marino was similarly great moving around the pocket. Brady has been playing for 20 years behind many different linemen, most of them unwanted by other teams and unheralded. When he went to the Bucs, their fanbase thought he was going to get killed. Granted, I think the Bucs OL is more talented than any Brady has ever had before, but last year, they almost got Winston killed. It actually helps OL to know where their QB is going to be and it's almost impossible to block for a guy who ad libs.
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With few exceptions, Belichick would never overspend or typically use low draft picks for OL. There were exceptions but he seemed to pride himself in finding free agents/cuts/or mid round draft picks for his teams. Dante S also seemed to enjoy the challenge of coaching guys "up" and was excellent at it.

I have tons of respect for Tom's accomplishments and doing it his way. On paper during SB time/playoffs over the years, rarely did the Pats have the better athletes as a whole. They were winners ,well-prepared/ rarely outcoached. Despite their tremendous successes as a franchise. .I always thought of them as a blue collar/lunch pail kind of team.

Tom is a student of the game and is always well-prepared and precise. Sunday was a lot of fun to watch.

BTW.Agree with you on OL liking to know what QB is going to do: was a season ticket holder in Denver during the Elway years.. Another baseball player oriented QB like Patrick M with great athleticism.
 
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