Has the gag order been lifted?

[August_West]

So the employee that calls the EPA on the employer dumping chemicals in the Farmington River is a rat - you are entitled to your opinion no matter how incorrect it is.

The FBI is involved in payments to players and therefore bribery and fraud against 10 coaches and shoes companies -Not the NCAA - if I remember correctly.

Be smart - read your contract - don’t do things that violate it and then bitch when you get caught (how you get caught is meaningless).

I hope you guys aren’t ever a victim of a crime where a friends and witness is called to testify - because you for sure don’t want them telling the truth. I guess the witnesses and friends in the arson trial I was just on were wrong for saying giving their testimony.

And we wonder why we’re in the as a country.

Congratulations I don't even know where to start unpacking this mishegoss.

 

[Chief00]

Miller's last recruiting class included jackson dunham and gilbert along with vital and diarra. He was fired because he was told he could not recruit. Enoch went to Louisville, dunham notre dame, jackson was AAc rookie of the year and they all left when Miller was fired. MAL scurried over to Providence. All those programs were ahead of UCONN at that time in terms of their present squads and took those players. Gilbert probably had no where to go given his injury.

All the transferring players were interviewed by Benedict. He knows why they transferred and that is probably where this all started.

You don't have a mass exodus unless something was really bad.

Now it is. How did Miller cause that?

So you think Glen Miller led the recruiting on Vance Jackson rather than KO?

Gilbert was a Boo and KO guy.

Other than his fame tour of facilities, GM had little to do with Durham.

I will give GM credit for Diarra and an assist on Enoch. Too bad, GM stunk at being a Bigs coach and these guys will develop better elsewhere.

Agree on KO causing exodus with GM also undermining him.

 

[ctchamps]

It is in response to the accusations that Miller would undermine KO and the program while he was coaching. Perhaps if KO was ten toes in, the loss of an assistant coach would never cause such an exodus. I think it speaks volumes as to how far adrift and detached KO was from his team.

Have you ever heard of three players and a recruit leaving because an assistant coach was fired?

How quickly we change the narrative. The season before the defections KO was accused of being harsh to his players not detached. The accusation of detachment developed this past season.

A source told me two things. First, while KO tried various things to light a fire under those players who ended up leaving Glen would take the opposite approach. If one coach is telling a player you don’t play unless you push yourself in practice and value playing defense and another implies something else the players will always take the side of the authority who gives them an easier path. The end result was without a united front the players with a poor work ethic resented KO while players like Rodney supported KO.

I thought it was a philosophical difference between two coaches and discounted the second thing the person stated which was that Glen could be underhanded. Outside of this source and Chief I heard nothing else to substantiate that assertion. After reading the accusations in the report I no longer doubt the underhanded nature of GM.

I tried to come up with an explanation as to why Glen supported JC about the need for working hard in practice and valuing defense but not KO and the best explanation I came up was resentment.

 

[Chief00]

Senior executives are accountable for outcomes. On her watch we lost the last chopper out of Saigon, our revenue sports went into the shitter, our AD is a disorganized mess and we linger in the big-time athletic conversation by the virtues of a heavy taxpayer and student subsidy.

She cannot have it both ways - either athletics don’t matter and we are wasting tax payer money, or they do matter and she has failed in an important aspect of her job.

Fair assessment. I do like many things DB has done to share things up.

 

[Chief00]

How quickly we change the narrative. The season before the defections KO was accused of being harsh to his players not detached. The accusation of detachment developed this past season.

A source told me two things. First, while KO tried various things to light a fire under those players who ended up leaving Glen would take the opposite approach. If one coach is telling a player you don’t play unless you push yourself in practice and value playing defense and another implies something else the players will always take the side of the authority who gives them an easier path. The end result was without a united front the players with a poor work ethic resented KO while players like Rodney supported KO.

I thought it was a philosophical difference between two coaches and discounted the second thing the person stated which was that Glen could be underhanded. Outside of this source and Chief I heard nothing else to substantiate that assertion. After reading the accusations in the report I no longer doubt the underhanded nature of GM.

I tried to come up with an explanation as to why Glen supported JC about the need for working hard in practice and valuing defense but not KO and the best explanation I came up was resentment.

Bingo. Your source sounds insightful to me. Sometimes it takes awhile but maybe Chief wasn’t so wrong after-all about Glen?

 

[ctchamps]

Bingo. Your source sounds insightful to me. Sometimes it takes awhile but maybe Chief wasn’t so wrong after-all about Glen?

In fairness to Glen, the way his firing was handled it would make any of us bitter, something you also pointed out.

Did KO make the decision to fire Glen on his own or did DB have a hand in this?

 

[SECONN]

How quickly we change the narrative. The season before the defections KO was accused of being harsh to his players not detached. The accusation of detachment developed this past season.

A source told me two things. First, while KO tried various things to light a fire under those players who ended up leaving Glen would take the opposite approach. If one coach is telling a player you don’t play unless you push yourself in practice and value playing defense and another implies something else the players will always take the side of the authority who gives them an easier path. The end result was without a united front the players with a poor work ethic resented KO while players like Rodney supported KO.

I thought it was a philosophical difference between two coaches and discounted the second thing the person stated which was that Glen could be underhanded. Outside of this source and Chief I heard nothing else to substantiate that assertion. After reading the accusations in the report I no longer doubt the underhanded nature of GM.

I tried to come up with an explanation as to why Glen supported JC about the need for working hard in practice and valuing defense but not KO and the best explanation I came up was resentment.

So Miller gets fired and last years team is all KO and the "Chill" team. Did they look like they were coached up on defense and working hard in practice. Hurley's assessment was they were soft and out of shape. Vital agreed. But yet you and Chief think it was Miller's resentment that lingered over a team he was not coaching? It was all on KO. Nothing to do with Miller.

KO wanted to run a pro style offense. Not the offense that won him a NC. It did not work. Players did not respond in a positive fashion. They needed to be coached up like Hurley is doing and Adams and Vital agree.

KO wanted "Chill" to get him one and done style players. None of Chill's relationships with any Washington players or recruits panned out. They went to Missouri, Cincinnati or elsewhere.

The team was unwatchable. It lacked effort. There was no defense. And none of that has anything to do with Miller.

In a perfect world KO should have gotten another year due to Gilbert and Diarra's injuries and that Dunham needed a year to get back after his surgeries. But he did not because of the exodus.

KO fired Miller all on his own. Last years results did not show any improvement at all with Miller gone. It was the opposite.

KO was accountable for the team. His blaming Miller was just bad karma and he brought this on himself all by himself.

 

[mpxc55]

1. They are giving away football home games to net $1M. They don't have $10 to spend on an ex coach
2. Seeking to be paid for a job you are no longer doing is disgraceful. Why should Ollie get any money after being fired from a job he was bad at? The fairest outcome would be if he paid back the salary from last year.
3. What is "all this"? Nobody will care about this. By self reporting and firing the coach who committed the violations UConn reduces any impact from the violations.

So if you got fired or laid off you would tell the company "no I don't want a week of pay for each year I've worked here"?

Would you collect unemployment??

 

[mpxc55]

So help me out her Whaler. How is paying someone $10M that they are entitled to a good strategy for a cash strapped athletic department? That's the kind of decision that gets people fired.

That's kind of his point. Everyone is on here calling GM a rat, and ignoring that the admin here is just as, if not more "weasel-ish". It's not that paying the $10m is a good strategy, it's that the way they went about it stinks. And their motivation is solely trying to cover their own asses.

 

[whaler11]

So help me out her Whaler. How is paying someone $10M that they are entitled to a good strategy for a cash strapped athletic department? That's the kind of decision that gets people fired.

Who said it was.

1. Stop ignoring these people created the problem in the first place
2. Herbst already quit

If one wants to say screw Ollie he sucked let’s find any way in the world to not pay him - that is fine - just own it.

Stop pretending it’s about violations.

Stop pretending that the way they went about it isn’t ridiculously slimy.

Stop trying to nail Ollie while giving a pass to the people who created the issues in the first place.

I actually respect anyone who says - I don’t want him to have the money and I don’t care how far they are willing to go to not pay him.

 

[pepband99]

Who said it was.

1. Stop ignoring these people created the problem in the first place
2. Herbst already quit

If one wants to say screw Ollie he sucked let’s find any way in the world to not pay him - that is fine - just own it.

Stop pretending it’s about violations.

Stop pretending that the way they went about it isn’t ridiculously slimy.

Stop trying to nail Ollie while giving a pass to the people who created the issues in the first place.

I actually respect anyone who says - I don’t want him to have the money and I don’t care how far they are willing to go to not pay him.

It's not "slimy" when the contract can have a barge sailed through the loophole in play. Maybe the contract was a bit off, but given the circumstances (APR, etc), it wasn't out of line. It was even lauded at the time, given KO's track record of being generally stand-up.

The loophole ended up being an albatross, and now KO's lawyers are claiming it's unenforceable. THAT's slimy!

 

[whaler11]

It's not "slimy" when the contract can have a barge sailed through the loophole in play. Maybe the contract was a bit off, but given the circumstances (APR, etc), it wasn't out of line. It was even lauded at the time, given KO's track record of being generally stand-up.

The loophole ended up being an albatross, and now KO's lawyers are claiming it's unenforceable. THAT's slimy!

LOL it’s not slimy to put the program in the NCAA’s crosshairs by enlisting a rat to cover up your own personal ineptness in running the athletic department?

We got it the first 100 times. You don’t care how unethical the admins act as long as Ollie doesn’t get his money.

Stop pretending it’s anything else.

 

[pepband99]

LOL it’s not slimy to put the program in the NCAA’s crosshairs by enlisting a rat to cover up your own personal ineptness in running the athletic department?

We got it the first 100 times. You don’t care how unethical the admins act as long as Ollie doesn’t get his money.

Stop pretending it’s anything else.

...as opposed to your unending hate of Herbst? You're approaching "flipping the bird at the union lawn mower" level here.

There is nothing unethical about enforcing a contract. Writing it that way, maybe, but not under the circumstances at the time.

Trying to back out of a contract is the definition of unethical.

 

[whaler11]

...as opposed to your unending hate of Herbst? You're approaching "flipping the bird at the union lawn mower" level here.

There is nothing unethical about enforcing a contract. Writing it that way, maybe, but not under the circumstances at the time.

Trying to back out of a contract is the definition of unethical.

Yeah that’s all they did. Enforce a contract.

Good take - LOL.

 

[Paesano]

Beware the former fired disgruntled employee.

For those celebrating Glenn Miller for being a rat. Consider that he likely did so with the consent of Jim Calhoun as JC hired him after this. Also consider Calhoun's words and actions toward Ollie in the last year. The problem now however is that UConn has another former fired disgruntled employee (KO). With the school's hardball actions and those of GM and JC, Ollie may now feel free to repay them in kind and rat them all out. There are sure to be plenty of things Calhoun and UConn will not want made public. This could easily and quickly get much nastier. In hindsight, paying KO the 10M to go away and stay silent may actually have been the best option back in March.

Oh look, another member of the Ollie family. Go to hell and bring Kathy and javjudah with you.

 

[Paesano]

If one wants to say screw Ollie he sucked let’s find any way in the world to not pay him - that is fine - just own it.

Stop pretending it’s about violations.

Are you an idiot or an arshole? It has to be one or the other because you keep saying stuff that just isn't true. No one is saying he was fired for the violations.

He was fired because he stopped doing his job and started sucking.

He was fired for sucking!

He was fired for sucking!!!

Happy?

People are arguing against him winning the full buyout because of the violations. The violations are why he will lose. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE UNIVERSITY IS USING THE VIOLATIONS TO AVOID PAYING HIM THE FULL 10 MILL AFTER FIRING HIM! And, yes, we are ok with it because he stopped doing his job and, therefore, deserves nothing. We are lucky that our negligent and potentially incompetent coach shot himself in the foot.

I just lit your strawman on fire. Now tell us why you think KO deserves the 10 MILL, which is what you really want to see.

 

[whaler11]

Are you an idiot or an arshole? It has to be one or the other because you keep saying stuff that just isn't true. No one is saying he was fired for the violations.

He was fired because he stopped doing his job and started sucking.

He was fired for sucking!

He was fired for sucking!!!

Happy?

People are arguing against him winning the full buyout because of the violations. The violations are why he will lose. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE UNIVERSITY IS USING THE VIOLATIONS TO AVOID PAYING HIM THE FULL 10 MILL AFTER FIRING HIM! And, yes, we are ok with it because he stopped doing his job and, therefore, deserves nothing. We are lucky that our negligent and potentially incompetent coach shot himself in the foot.

I just lit your strawman on fire. Now tell us why you think KO deserves the 10 MILL, which is what you really want to see.

You admitted that what I said is true.

You are willing to give the admistration and Calhoun/Miller a pass for their actions because you don’t want to pay him.

Wow you really burned that to the ground.

I don’t much care how much Ollie gets of the 10 million - I was on the Ollie sucks train long before most of y’all (especially you).

I just don’t think the inept leadership should continue to get passes for their ongoing failure. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[August_West]

2 days before Hurley was hired they were telling us Ollie would be the coach next year. The reasoning, UConn can't afford the buyout.

well that is right, isnt it? UConn cant afford the buyout.

Isnt that what this whole mess is about?

 

[CL82]

That's kind of his point. Everyone is on here calling GM a rat, and ignoring that the admin here is just as, if not more "weasel-ish". It's not that paying the $10m is a good strategy, it's that the way they went about it stinks. And their motivation is solely trying to cover their own asses.

You understand that Ollie isn't owed this money under the contract terms, right? That is clear at this point. Are you suggesting that a Connecticut official should pay $10M to someone even though it is not owed? Wouldn't that be grounds for firing? It might even be criminal.

 

[CL82]

Who said it was.

1. Stop ignoring these people created the problem in the first place
2. Herbst already quit

If one wants to say screw Ollie he sucked let’s find any way in the world to not pay him - that is fine - just own it.

Stop pretending it’s about violations.

Stop pretending that the way they went about it isn’t ridiculously slimy.

Stop trying to nail Ollie while giving a pass to the people who created the issues in the first place.

I actually respect anyone who says - I don’t want him to have the money and I don’t care how far they are willing to go to not pay him.

Interesting, I guess, but it overlooks the critical detail that Ollie isn't owed the money under the contract.

UConn gave Ollie notice exactly as required by the CBA and Ollie contract. You keep pounding away trying to make this a moral issue, as if it is somehow more noble to give someone $10M that they are not legally entitled to. That position makes zero sense. Ollie and UConn agreed on the terms of his employment and the circumstances under which it can terminate. Ollie breached the terms of his contact. The agreed upon remedy for that reach is termination of the contract. That was the parties express written agreement. Isn't a bit presumptuous for us to now say, well yes, they agreed that but we're going to rewrite the terms just because?

 

[CL82]

well that is right, isnt it? UConn cant afford the buyout.

Isnt that what this whole mess is about?

Not so much. It is about Ollie wanting to get paid money that he is not entitled to because he breached the agreement by violating NCAA rules.

 

[August_West]

Oh look, another member of the Ollie family. Go to hell and bring Kathy and javjudah with you.

Just Curious. How does someone with the handle Paesano feel about Rats?

 

[August_West]

Not so much. It is about Ollie wanting to get paid money that he is not entitled to because he breached the agreement by violating NCAA rules.

Then you are saying that if there weren't any violations UConn could afford the 10 million dollar buyout to fire him for poor performance. Is that your contention?

 

[Mr. French]

He even couched it by "and I gain--it's not--I don't have the facts...". Seriously? 'I have no idea but....here's a juicy rumor, NCAA.'

I know it’s being transcribed, but you hardly make out what happened in 3 paragraphs with all his phumphering around.

 

[The Funster]

Seeds were planted when Ollie was forced on the university. Then the perfect storm developed when Ollie actually won a championship and then went on vacation.

This situation is ugly and no one will come out looking good. Blame can be placed at a lot of feet and I don't feel bad for anybody. Disgust is what I feel most of all.

 

[superjohn]

well that is right, isnt it? UConn cant afford the buyout.

Isnt that what this whole mess is about?

You're really good at playing dumb, starting to think it isn't an act.

 

[CL82]

Then you are saying that if there weren't any violations UConn could afford the 10 million dollar buyout to fire him for poor performance. Is that your contention?

Your question is kind of silly. Yes, it is my 'contention' (love when you try to sound all tv lawyery) UConn has more that $10M of assets.

 

[August_West]

Your question is kind of silly. Yes, it is my 'contention' (love when you try to sound all tv lawyery) UConn has more that $10M of assets.

Good Im glad we have that on record.


I can go back to calling you names if you prefer?

Doesnt bother me either way.

 

[August_West]

You're really good at playing dumb, starting to think it isn't an act.

Do you think UConn wouldve paid Ollie 10 million dollars to fire him for performance?

Yes or no?

lets get you on record to.

 

[fatlucy]

well that is right, isnt it? UConn cant afford the buyout.

Isnt that what this whole mess is about?

No, the problem is he doesn't deserve it and the school has a fiduciary responsibility to not pay him what he doesn't deserve.