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Has the gag order been lifted?

fleudslipcon said:
GM has been undermining KO and the program well before he was fired.

He was jealous of KO getting the head coaching position and then the huge contract. He sabotaged KO with the players and leaked innuendos about KO that circulated in this forum.

Like you I’m not absolving KO. He did things that contributed to the dismal seasons and gave Miller cover but imm Miller and Benedict played bigger roles in the downward spiral of the program.
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That's a pretty definitive statement. Any proof of that?
 
whaler11 said:
Riddle me this folks.

If David Benedict cares so deeply for these major transgressions...

When he was COO of the Auburn athletic department they hired BRUCE PEARL?

So please for the love of God stop pretending this is about violations.
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Hope this doesn't crack your moral compass. It's sad but true, appearances are everything. That goes for Jim Calhoun, John Calipari, as well as Rick Pitino and Kevin Ollie. The rumor I heard was that Pearl got the Auburn job because everyone was so impressed by his white buck shoes.
 
pj said:
UConn had to find NCAA infractions, but not any that would trigger sanctions against Hurley's teams. Tricky tightrope to walk.
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Exactly, don't think for a minute that there aren't more serious recruiting violations that the school could have used against Ollie. It was even leaked that they chose not to go after a $30,000 payout to a player because they couldn't "prove" it. They needed to find "just cause" while not setting the program back any farther.
 
fleudslipcon said:
GM has been undermining KO and the program well before he was fired.

He was jealous of KO getting the head coaching position and then the huge contract. He sabotaged KO with the players and leaked innuendos about KO that circulated in this forum.

Like you I’m not absolving KO. He did things that contributed to the dismal seasons and gave Miller cover but imm Miller and Benedict played bigger roles in the downward spiral of the program.
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I agree regarding Miller, but I honestly think KO was clueless about it until 2016.
You notice he also tried to take Chill down through sheer speculation. Of course, Chill replaced Miller as Associative Head Coach.
 
Did I really read “Rat” in this discussion?

If so that is comical - this isn’t one of the 5 families or some other crime syndicate or some goofy elementary school playground.

Rules were being broken and Miller answered questions he was asked. Ollie should have been smart enough to (1) not break rules when the contract was zero tolerance (2) not get a divorce from the guy if he knows where the bodies are buried.

The fact remains that Ollie was woefully under qualified for the job that JC handed him and that revealed itself after a few years.
 
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Northbound said:
Did I really read “Rat” in this discussion?

If so that is comical - this isn’t one of the 5 families or some other crime syndicate or some goofy elementary school playground.

Rules were being broken and Miller answered questions he was asked. Ollie should have been smart enough to (1) not break rules when the contract was zero tolerance (2) not get a divorce from the guy if he knows where the bodies are buried.

The fact remains that Ollie was woefully under qualified for the job that JC handed him and that revealed itself after a few years.
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Scumbag. Cheese eating rat.

No doubt


And lol at your notion that the NCAA isn’t a crime syndicate. Why is the FBI involved?
 
TitleTown said:
Exactly, don't think for a minute that there aren't more serious recruiting violations that the school could have used against Ollie. It was even leaked that they chose not to go after a $30,000 payout to a player because they couldn't "prove" it. They needed to find "just cause" while not setting the program back any farther.
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Uh, if they were trying to find sufficient cause to fire Ollie but nothing so serious as to set the program back why in god's name would they "leak" rumors of a much more serious violation? That makes zero sense. You gotta at least keep the cloak and dagger theories consistent.
 
whaler11 said:
It’s fine to root for the school to keep the money. Just be honest about it and don’t pretend the ‘violations’ aren’t a joke.

Herbst destroyed the athletic department and people give her a free pass. I’m baffled by it - but in time people will come around - same as all the other scrubs she hired and employed - Warde, PP, Diaco, Ollie... someday many will come to their senses.
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I am of the opinion that both are true - the violations are not a joke, and Herbst ruined the Athletic Department.

You got me to the latter but your arguments to the former are not quite as strong.
 
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auggie22 said:
I am of the opinion that both are true - the violations are not a joke, and Herbst ruined the Athletic Department.

You got me to the latter but your arguments to the former are not quite as strong.
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Hey auggie how did Herbst ruin the Athletic Department?
 
fleudslipcon said:
GM has been undermining KO and the program well before he was fired.

He was jealous of KO getting the head coaching position and then the huge contract. He sabotaged KO with the players and leaked innuendos about KO that circulated in this forum.

Like you I’m not absolving KO. He did things that contributed to the dismal seasons and gave Miller cover but imm Miller and Benedict played bigger roles in the downward spiral of the program.
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Miller's last recruiting class included jackson dunham and gilbert along with vital and diarra. He was fired because he was told he could not recruit. Enoch went to Louisville, dunham notre dame, jackson was AAc rookie of the year and they all left when Miller was fired. MAL scurried over to Providence. All those programs were ahead of UCONN at that time in terms of their present squads and took those players. Gilbert probably had no where to go given his injury.

All the transferring players were interviewed by Benedict. He knows why they transferred and that is probably where this all started.

You don't have a mass exodus unless something was really bad.

Now it is. How did Miller cause that?
 
SECONN said:
Miller's last recruiting class included jackson dunham and gilbert along with vital and diarra. He was fired because he was told he could not recruit. Enoch went to Louisville, dunham notre dame, jackson was AAc rookie of the year and they all left when Miller was fired. MAL scurried over to Providence.
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This take seems excessively charitable to Miller.
 
Stainmaster said:
This take seems excessively charitable to Miller.
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It is in response to the accusations that Miller would undermine KO and the program while he was coaching. Perhaps if KO was ten toes in, the loss of an assistant coach would never cause such an exodus. I think it speaks volumes as to how far adrift and detached KO was from his team.

Have you ever heard of three players and a recruit leaving because an assistant coach was fired?
 
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SECONN said:
It is in response to the accusations that Miller would undermine KO and the program while he was coaching. Perhaps if KO was ten toes in, the loss of an assistant coach would never cause such an exodus. I think it speaks volumes as to how far adrift and detached KO was from his team.

Have you ever heard of three players and a recruit leaving because an assistant coach was fired?
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You've given zero evidence that Miller's firing was what prompted the exodus, yet you keep declaring that there was a causal relationship between the two. That doesn't cut it for me.
 
Fair eno
Stainmaster said:
You've given zero evidence that Miller's firing was what prompted the exodus, yet you keep declaring that there was a causal relationship between the two. That doesn't cut it for me.
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Fair enough.....they all could have hated Ollie or wanted to be coached the way Vital has alluded too. He would have been the fourth and said he was considering it.

I think Benedict knows and that is when the scrutiny of Ollie's behavior heightened.

But you don't have that exodus of players unless something is very wrong......
 
CL82 said:
Hey auggie how did Herbst ruin the Athletic Department?
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Senior executives are accountable for outcomes. On her watch we lost the last chopper out of Saigon, our revenue sports went into the shitter, our AD is a disorganized mess and we linger in the big-time athletic conversation by the virtues of a heavy taxpayer and student subsidy.

She cannot have it both ways - either athletics don’t matter and we are wasting tax payer money, or they do matter and she has failed in an important aspect of her job.
 
auggie22 said:
But then August West, in a rat costume, will show up at some Happy Hour in WeHa and heckle him mercilessly.
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I think he will be out of the state by then.or shortly after.

But no I wouldn't be happy if Kevin spilled.

This is a bad situation. And instead of ripping off the band aid, UConn started a process that will be 1000 slow cuts over a prolonged period of time. With both sides slow playing this and playing it so close to the vest that is really the only fact we currently have.

I mean it's almost July and we JUST got the cause " reasons"
 
This is kinda similar to what Florida did to Jim McEwain, right?
 
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JMick said:
this is much more by the book than that one
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Really? I mean, they got him on a nothing technicality. Not even an NCAA violation. That was so ridiculous it made me laugh.

The only reason it was settled, and not fought, is because JM's agent also happened to be the agent of the guy who would replace JM at Florida. He didn't want to rock the apple cart. Total conflict of interest, but still.
 
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Northbound said:
Did I really read “Rat” in this discussion?

If so that is comical - this isn’t one of the 5 families or some other crime syndicate or some goofy elementary school playground.

Rules were being broken and Miller answered questions he was asked. Ollie should have been smart enough to (1) not break rules when the contract was zero tolerance (2) not get a divorce from the guy if he knows where the bodies are buried.

The fact remains that Ollie was woefully under qualified for the job that JC handed him and that revealed itself after a few years.
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August watched a few episodes of The Sopranos and thinks he's Tony, in reality the only guys he takes after are AJ and Johnny Cakes.
 
August_West said:
Scumbag. Cheese eating rat.

No doubt


And lol at your notion that the NCAA isn’t a crime syndicate. Why is the FBI involved?
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So the employee that calls the EPA on the employer dumping chemicals in the Farmington River is a rat - you are entitled to your opinion no matter how incorrect it is.

The FBI is involved in payments to players and therefore bribery and fraud against 10 coaches and shoes companies -Not the NCAA - if I remember correctly.

Be smart - read your contract - don’t do things that violate it and then bitch when you get caught (how you get caught is meaningless).

I hope you guys aren’t ever a victim of a crime where a friends and witness is called to testify - because you for sure don’t want them telling the truth. I guess the witnesses and friends in the arson trial I was just on were wrong for saying giving their testimony.

And we wonder why we’re in the shit as a country.
 
auggie22 said:
Senior executives are accountable for outcomes. On her watch we lost the last chopper out of Saigon, our revenue sports went into the shitter, our AD is a disorganized mess and we linger in the big-time athletic conversation by the virtues of a heavy taxpayer and student subsidy.

She cannot have it both ways - either athletics don’t matter and we are wasting tax payer money, or they do matter and she has failed in an important aspect of her job.
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What specifically do you think that she did or failed to do to cause us "to miss the last chopper?"
 
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