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CallMeBruce said:
I don't understand how people can continue to say things like this. Staying an extra year absolutely can hurt your stock. This isn't the 90s anymore. Teams aren't drafting ready-made players, by and large - they're drafting guys they think they can turn into stars. An extra year only helps if you develop a lot in that year, otherwise you're just a year older and less desirable.
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You are correct in many cases I agree (KEA and others). But in this case it's a no doubter that at the very least it wouldn't have been affected in the negative at all but instead had a chance to jump significantly. It doesn't mean it wasn't the right move for him at this tim with his mindset, it might be. But he wasn't going to shoot any worst, more than likely would have improved maybe even dramatically by instilling some better selection. He would have been a top rebounder again, a good passer. Shore up on his defense, become a more efficient scorer while having a more consistent year he would have jumped up the ratings I believe. How much, who knows but as much of a base he has the improvement would have been there. Problem is he wanted to move on and good for him, it's time. He knew the consequences and feels he can find a way to his dream. Should be an interesting journey we all wish him luck I am sure.
 
Chief00 said:
Hopefully, this settles the debate about Travis's unconventional S&C academic theories - the NBA guys are not buying it and Daniel's lack of strength was often mentioned by experts as a major negative.
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Why would this settle the debate? It's going to be multiple guys. When Enoch leaves all jacked, is that gonna settle the debate in the opposite direction?

By far and away, the two most important negative factors for Daniels was athleticism/quickness and outside shot. His quickness/athleticism is only going to get marginally better at best.
 
Your stock can be hurt for reasons that have nothing to do with your NBA potential. Your team could do worse overall, leading to less exposure. You could get injured. And obviously, you have to outperform the previous year by more than you lose from getting a year older, not just improve a bit.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I don't understand how people can continue to say things like this. Staying an extra year absolutely can hurt your stock. This isn't the 90s anymore. Teams aren't drafting ready-made players, by and large - they're drafting guys they think they can turn into stars. An extra year only helps if you develop a lot in that year, otherwise you're just a year older and less desirable.
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HE GOT DRAFTED 56TH!!! What, maybe staying would have meant he got drafted 60th instead? Or not drafted at all? I'd argue there's no damn difference. For whatever his reasons, he wanted to go. They were NOT because he was an NBA star in waiting and everyone knows it.
 
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It is possible to say" I think another year would have helped Daniel" without being against him.
And does another year help anyone? Of course. Ask Kemba, Shabazz, Ray, Donyell. Another year after you underperformed relative to you perceived potential often helps.
People just love arguing even the most semantic b.s. here.
 
mauconnfan said:
You are correct in many cases I agree (KEA and others). But in this case it's a no doubter that at the very least it wouldn't have been affected in the negative at all but instead had a chance to jump significantly. It doesn't mean it wasn't the right move for him at this tim with his mindset, it might be. But he wasn't going to shoot any worst, more than likely would have improved maybe even dramatically by instilling some better selection. He would have been a top rebounder again, a good passer. Shore up on his defense, become a more efficient scorer while having a more consistent year he would have jumped up the ratings I believe. How much, who knows but as much of a base he has the improvement would have been there. Problem is he wanted to move on and good for him, it's time. He knew the consequences and feels he can find a way to his dream. Should be an interesting journey we all wish him luck I am sure.
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Stole the words right out of my mouth, Mau. Obviously his shooting was a problem. I think the biggest problem is strength. It seemed to me that even at the college level he was getting out-muscled. That'll be WAY worse in the NBA. I think an extra year in the weight room would have been great for him.
 
David 76 said:
It is possible to say" I think another year would have helped Daniel" without being against him.
And does another year help anyone? Of course. Ask Kemba, Shabazz, Ray, Donyell. Another year after you underperformed relative to you perceived potential often helps.
People just love arguing even the most semantic b.s. here.
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AMEN
 
Fishy said:
I can't imagine Hamilton envisioned this scenario when he left UConn.

Whoever offered him the advice that convinced him to bounce did him no favors.

I wouldn't give him better than 50-50 odds of spending even a decent stretch of one season in the NBA.
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If he had stayed he gets national tv coverage for his game and a chance to be drafted higher. OKC Blue is their minor league team? So how many players have to be injured for him to get any shot?
 
I wish he stuck around. I thought he was talented enough to have an incredible year if he put it all together. But that means he's talented enough to play in the NBA. The Thunder bought the rights to him, and although it's likely that he'll be in the D league (at least for this year), he does have a team interested in him. Who knows, maybe he makes a huge leap this season.
 
I think he should have stayed 1 more year but it is what it is, this is a free country and your free to make your own choice its his life. Wish him the best of luck, its another uconn guy drafted.
 
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DHam went where I thought he would. Low risk, possible high upside.
A great late 2nd round flyer.
 
Not sure if anyone posted this yet but chad ford says hamilton was a jumper away from being a first rounder...nothing we didn't know.

Oklahoma City Thunder: A
Round 1: Domantas Sabonis (11)

Round 2: Daniel Hamilton (56)

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What a night for the Thunder. Not only did they move into the lottery to get one of the toughest, most-skilled big men in the draft, but they also landed Victor Oladipo, a recent No. 2 pick in the draft. He will be their best 2-guard since James Harden. A Russell Westbrook-Oladipo backcourt could be devastating.

The cost was high. Serge Ibaka has been a key part of the team. But the way this trade sets the Thunder up both now and in the future earns OKC an A.

Hamilton is sort of a point forward who would've been a first-rounder had he ever learned to shoot.
 
Now living just a few miles from Stanford I was on campus yesterday and traveled over to the sports offices. I had the pleasure to run into a basketball associate from the program. I through out 2 names concerning the draft. Dunn from Prov and D Ham from Uconn. His comments were that Dunn is a beast and will be a very good NBA player. As for D Ham his response was -- who the hell advised him to leave.

I do wish D Ham all my best but sometimes as a kid the almight $$$$$$$$$$$$$ is just to much to turn down.
Fishy said:
I can't imagine Hamilton envisioned this scenario when he left UConn.

Whoever offered him the advice that convinced him to bounce did him no favors.

I wouldn't give him better than 50-50 odds of spending even a decent stretch of one season in the NBA.
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Help me understand something. Can't Dham improve as much or more working with coaches in the D league as he would have by staying one more year? Can he not make the improvement necessary to get a better contract down the road?

Basically if he has NBA talent won't the D league help him grow into that talent even more so than if he stayed?
 
mauconnfan said:
Much like the "haters" crap people love to post I see no one mocking or saying "I told you so." They are simply stating their opinion on what is going to happen to him in the future.
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Bullsh-t, Mau.
How about this quote:
"Wow, how awesome!!!! If you can get a D-league slot, how can you NOT leave early? It is an incredible opportunity and a dream come true."
If that's not mocking, then there's no such thing as mocking.

Or the guy who wrote "25k plus housing." Or "Girls will be all over him."

THAT'S MOCKING MAU.

I have NO ISSUE with discussing DHam's decision. It's the nastiness I don't like, and mocking him by sarcastically noting that a D-league slot is "a dream come true" is despicable. F the dude who wrote that. What has he ever done with his life to merit him mocking DHam?
 
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sportsart said:
Help me understand something. Can't Dham improve as much or more working with coaches in the D league as he would have by staying one more year?
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Maybe, but that's not the game, necessarily. The game is getting drafted high. If staying in college will move you into the 1st round, then that might be a reason to stay. If staying won't move you, then why stay?
For DHam, staying in school for a year or two may have provided him with a Shabazzian stage. If we go the FF in his Junior year and he's putting up big numbers, maybe he gets a 1st round guaranteed contract. Also, he just might get markedly better.

The game here is that the NBA only has his college career and combine and workout results to go on. If he has a great college career, then that will factor strongly into his draft spot.

But if he goes early, like he did, then what? Now he's making a lot less money, not guaranteed, and maybe he isn't good enough to stand out in the D-League, resulting in not much money or time in the NBA.

For a 2 year, million plus guaranteed contract, it may have been financially more sensible to stay at UConn IF you knew or believed that he was a marginal NBA player.

If you're right, and he is going to prove it up in the D-League or in summer camps or what not, then going might have been the right choice, financially.

That ignores that finances are not the only reason people make decisions, notwithstanding the overwhelming analysis that presumes that as true.
 
uconngb said:
[Returning]certainly couldn't have hurt him.
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Strongly disagree. If he has another season similar to this past one, or not much better, then it may have appeared to NBA scouts that he had reached his potential.
In other words, at the end of this year it would have been possible for NBA teams to estimate his trajectory as resulting in NBA potential in the near future. One mediocre year or regression could lead to a new estimated trajectory.
We've had players come back and not shown improvement, or actually posted worse numbers.
 
superjohn said:
He can always come back and get his degree if that's important to him. He preferred the idea of playing basketball for money over staying in school, it's as simple as that. No need to keep bashing him.
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I don't see folks bashing him. Concluding that he made a move that was against his own interests is not bashing -- it's expressing an opinion.

Now, will it work out for him? We'll see. I hope it does. But it is not obnoxious or stupid to wonder if his long term interests would have been better served by improving his shooting and defense before putting his name in the draft.
 
Hungryhusky99 said:
If staying another year hurts your stock you probably wont be a very good nba player anyway.
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Completely true, but completely irrelevant to the main focus of this conversation, which is how to maximize your profit potential, right?

Staying another year, for many, will, in fact, be "showing their cards," with "their cards" being the fact that they are not a great NBA prospect. So why do that? Go early and maximize results.
 
willie99 said:
Mixed feelings, he was drafted and that seems to be a good thing, but late second round picks are often better off being a free agent so they can try out for teams they fit in with

Good luck Daniel
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I get what you're saying ... but you'd think an NBA GM would pick a player that they expect would fit in ... :)
 
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Best thing for DHam was that OKC bought his contract. I don't think they'd buy into the draft to cut him. My guess is the Ollie/OKC relationship helped DHam out. Haters will hate but I hope he makes it. Having more former players in the NBA never hurts recruiting.
 
djct1999 said:
That's not how it comes across. Especially now. To me, the people who still say DHam made a poor decision are highlighting their self interests as fans not his. This turned out about as well as it could for DHam.
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This kid & this Hamilton family knows a lot about the Professional basketball profession. There's nothing that his older brothers have been through that has laid this path for the Golden Goose dream. SO ... Daniel Hamilton was well versed in what this is about. I agree with the notion that WE don't get to be fans of these kids forever in Blue. WE enjoy them ... and then we get the next year's team. Loved watching him play; Next is Terry Laurier
 
sportsart said:
Help me understand something. Can't Dham improve as much or more working with coaches in the D league as he would have by staying one more year? Can he not make the improvement necessary to get a better contract down the road?

Basically if he has NBA talent won't the D league help him grow into that talent even more so than if he stayed?
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Probably not.

He's already used up most of his margin for error. As a late second-round pick, no one has an investment in him.

If he doesn't make the team out of camp, he's likely heading for the D League. He's a bad week or an injury assignment away from being waived - he has to do well and do well quickly.

If he ends up heading to Europe, I'd say his odds start sliding towards single digits.

In either case, he's further away from the NBA than he would be if he were a junior at UConn.
 
TasteofUConn said:
Strongly disagree. If he has another season similar to this past one, or not much better, then it may have appeared to NBA scouts that he had reached his potential.
In other words, at the end of this year it would have been possible for NBA teams to estimate his trajectory as resulting in NBA potential in the near future. One mediocre year or regression could lead to a new estimated trajectory.
We've had players come back and not shown improvement, or actually posted worse numbers.
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Either way, if he doesn't improve significantly over last year, he doesn't catch with the NBA. Doesn't matter if that is D league or UConn. He has to improve. I would choose the support and commitment of Ollie over a D league coach.
 
In my opinion, it's a dubious honor to be picked among the last 5 of the second round of the NBA Draft.

In my opinion, Hamilton would have been better off not getting drafted.

In my opinion, Hamilton took some bad advice in hiring an agent, thereby shutting the Purvis/Brimah door.

In my opinion, Hamilton's circumstances indicate he probably shut the door on himself by letting his school work lag in the Spring Semester. Going Pro was a way to help UConn, APR-wise.

In my opinion, Giffey has a better shot than Hamilton of making an impact in the NBA at some point (if he so chooses.).

In my opinion, UConn has a decent shot at a deep run in the NCAA Tournament. However, had Hamilton remained eligible, they would have had a better shot.

In my opinion, UConn would be more entertaining to watch this upcoming season, had Hamilton remained eligible.
 
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