Gottlieb's big board

[uconnbill]

Let's be honest here. The NBA Draft this year is weak and could be the best year for Bazz to go pro. I want him to stay another year as I believe UConn can be pretty special next year with him in school.

 

[Danzz]

Taking one for the program? Where was he going - the NBA or sit out?? What he does here does not necessarily translate to the next level......he has work to do. He's been terrific and maybe even more but this is no sure shot departure by any means. Rip, Ray, Caron, Donyell...........you taking him to those levels?

Add Kemba and Gordon to that list. Bazz may not be as attractive to NBA scouts as Marcus Williams or maybe even Hilton Armstrong for that matter. Ollie will get a feel from NBA scouts/relationships as to where Bazz would be drafted and hopefully the kid will make the best decision for his future.

 

[willie99]

"Oh he's not on any draft board , so he won't get/barely drafted.it won't be smart, he needs to stay"
"Crap he's our best player let me just assure myself he stays by crediting useless sources, ignoring another potential injury/stock drop next year; as long as we get close to some hardware"

wow, a strawman argument that makes most strawman arguments look strong

the proverbial throwing chit against the wall approach

 

[willie99]

did anyone here suggest Kemba should not go pro? Gay? Chaz? MSG? EO? CB? RIP? Ray Ray?.......................

damn, I even supported HT's decision once we knew he was going top 5

to suggest we all have some sort of selfish intent is childlike

Bazz is not there yet, plain and simple. All that spinning and dancing, bobbing and weaving just ain't changing that

but if he's going top 20, and if KO & JC tell him he's ready, then he's ready. I hope it happens for him

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I'd love for Bazz to be a 1st round pick and get guaranteed money, but he's on nobody's draft board

he's not leaving this year. A great year next year, things change

as for Doug Gottnothing, he also said Bucknell would beat us in the first round of the NCAA tournament in 2011 because UConn would be "too tired". Then he said the same thing for the Cinn game, then he picked SDSU & AZ and UK too

he also said "Roscoe Smith should de-commit because the UConn program is falling apart at the seams" (Scoe won a NC)

he said Marcus Williams and AJ Price should transfer, good call on that one too

he's a journalistic criminal, a real life criminal and a complete buffoon. It's in his DNA

He said "if I'm Roscoe Smith, I'm maybe questioning my commitment."

That's it. He has dropped much bigger bombs on other programs. The fact that some of you actually think that Gottlieb sits around scheming on ways to stick it to UConn is more embarrassing than the AO obsession.

 

[James]

wow, a strawman argument that makes most strawman arguments look strong

the proverbial throwing chit against the wall approach

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not even arguing , I'm saying bazz is already regarded well enough to get drafted in either round. You don't think it's wise because he can come back and improve his stock? He should only leave if he's top 20? What interest is that serving? Have you SEEN the prospects in '14? his ceiling is end of lottery - beginning of 2nd round regardless.

 

[champs99and04]

did anyone here suggest Kemba should not go pro? Gay? Chaz? MSG? EO? CB? RIP? Ray Ray?.......................

damn, I even supported HT's decision once we knew he was going top 5

to suggest we all have some sort of selfish intent is childlike

Bazz is not there yet, plain and simple. All that spinning and dancing, bobbing and weaving just ain't changing that

but if he's going top 20, and if KO & JC tell him he's ready, then he's ready. I hope it happens for him

I don't disagree that you have no selfish intent, however, we all want him to return, so unconsciously, that is certainly going to make it difficult to form an unbiased opinion.

Personally, I think he should go. Leaving in the upcoming draft is his best chance to acquire financial security, and achieve his dream of making it in the NBA. It is a weak draft, Shabazz has had a phenominal season, and his athleticism and size aren't changing. His stock is likely as high as it will ever be.

 

[businesslawyer]

Someone forget to take his crazy pills today.

Top 5 most delusional posts I have seen on this board, and that is saying ALOT

If you have this post even in the top 50, is it safe to assume you are excluding anything from Huskyfandan?

 

[willie99]

He said "if I'm Roscoe Smith, I'm maybe questioning my commitment."

That's it. He has dropped much bigger bombs on other programs. The fact that some of you actually think that Gottlieb sits around scheming on ways to stick it to UConn is more embarrassing than the AO obsession.

everything I said he said he said. And while I did say he was a buffoon, I didn't say was that he's scheming for ways to stick it to UConn. I might suggest reading comprehension 101

love the AO reference too, something out of deep deep left field

 

[willie99]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not even arguing , I'm saying bazz is already regarded well enough to get drafted in either round. You don't think it's wise because he can come back and improve his stock? He should only leave if he's top 20? What interest is that serving? Have you SEEN the prospects in '14? his ceiling is end of lottery - beginning of 2nd round regardless.

well then, that's that

Bazz should definitely leave because it's a sure thing he's going to be drafted higher in 2013 than 2014. how can I argue with that?

 

[Tenspro2002]

I'm not sure Bazz has much more room to grow in college. And if the difference between the 2013 and 2014 draft classes is the difference between a likely 1st round pick and a doubtful 1st round pick, he should go now.

Working in our favor (I'm assuming most of us want him to stay) are the facts that:
1) we're getting zero exposure this year, which puts a ceiling on his draft stock in 2013, and
2) he ducking loves it here and loves his coach, and I think he wants to have a big legacy at UConn

 

[willie99]

didn't Doug Gott-Nothing have Kemba at something like 16 or worse?

how can any one man be so wrong so often? and still keep his job?





did I read something about Bazz >> kemba in something? I don't have the stomach to go back and check for myself

and I do love Bazz, but this stuff is killing me here

 

[aceboon]

didn't Doug Gott-Nothing have Kemba at something like 16 or worse?

how can any one man be so wrong so often? and still keep his job?





did I read something about Bazz >> kemba in something? I don't have the stomach to go back and check for myself

and I do love Bazz, but this stuff is killing me here

I said Bazz>>Kemba in regards to vision, and I won't budge on that at all.

 

[willie99]

I don't disagree that you have no selfish intent, however, we all want him to return, so unconsciously, that is certainly going to make it difficult to form an unbiased opinion.

Personally, I think he should go. Leaving in the upcoming draft is his best chance to acquire financial security, and achieve his dream of making it in the NBA. It is a weak draft, Shabazz has had a phenominal season, and his athleticism and size aren't changing. His stock is likely as high as it will ever be.

good and smart people can and do disagree

I think he can improve his skill set and I believe he can improve his draft position

and if he is projected to be the 9th pick, that's a mighty big "if" IMHO, then he should go

 

[James]

good and smart people can and do disagree

I think he can improve his skill set and I believe he can improve his draft position

and if he is projected to be the 9th pick, that's a mighty big "if" IMHO, then he should go

What do you think of shabazz as prospect, like his best attributes? I think you and I disagree because I see bazz currently on a team of 'college' players (no other outstanding talent), And he still puts up great stats. his feel for the game is uncanny. The only thing is if he can gain mobility in his foot. But enough beating a dead horse, IMO his stock can't increase into the lottery.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

His stock probably can't increase enough to put him in the lottery, but it certainly can increase enough to go from a borderline 1st round pick to a definite 1st round pick. There's a big difference between the two.

 

[James]

His stock probably can't increase enough to put him in the lottery, but it certainly can increase enough to go from a borderline 1st round pick to a definite 1st round pick. There's a big difference between the two.

But youre assuming gms don't factor age into anything. A year is a long time in the league, you can make a name for yourself in a year.

 

[Hoophound]

I think the exposure from being on a good team next year and another progression in both his performance and his fitness will help. Bazz can literally be in the running for POY. If he is seriously in that discussion, he will move way up the boards. I believe he has that kind of talent.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

But youre assuming gms don't factor age into anything. A year is a long time in the league, you can make a name for yourself in a year.

I know that GMs consider age. The bottom line is it's silly to think that Shabazz can't improve his current draft stock with a great senior year. If he leaves now he'd be, at best, the 4th point guard taken. If things completely break his way, I suppose there's a chance he could sneak into the late 1st round. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet he's a 2nd round pick, and that means no guaranteed contract, no guaranteed roster spot, no guaranteed anything.

If he comes back, he's on the short list to make a preseason All-American team and he's on the very short list for preseason Big East POY. He'd almost certainly be playing in the NCAA tournament on a pretty good team. I know next year's class is better at the top, but that doesn't mean he can't cement himself in the 1st round with another good year.

 

[champs99and04]

good and smart people can and do disagree

I think he can improve his skill set and I believe he can improve his draft position

and if he is projected to be the 9th pick, that's a mighty big "if" IMHO, then he should go

There isn't a chance as hell Shabazz is a lottery pick this season despite what Gottlieb might say (I think he also said Charles Jenkins was going to be the best PG in the 2011 class).

A lot of this depends on the financial situation of Shabazz's family, IMO. If there is an urgent neccesity for him to start making money, he should go. If not, he might be better off staying, as it appears he genuninely loves playing here and wants to make another run at a title next season. One thing I'm sure of, though, is that I want what's best for Shabazz - this kid has displayed an unwavering loyalty to this program that is rarely seen in this day and age. He's a classic Calhoun guy - matter of fact, he reminds me an awful lot of Kevin Ollie himself. I wouldn't be shocked if he became a coach on KO's staff one day when his playing days are up.

I hope you are right and it is in his best interests to return. He's already my third favorite Husky of all-time (behind Kemba and Jeff), and he could make a run at the top spot with another year under his belt.