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Let's be real here. "The 'Cuse" plays nobody out of conference. Maybe they'll do a 1-1-1 series with Rutgers....
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This...next wave takes UConn. I only hope it is UConn alone to finish out at 16. sigh...hate to lose anymore teams...demographically the ACC is much better fit for both schools...$$$ wise the B1G is a better fit. I also prefer the ACC style of hoops, FB and Olympic Sports over the B1G.
To Arnie: You kidding? UConn/Cuse would make ESPN or CBS every year as an OOC game...the 6OT game ensured that along with the annual excellence shown by both schools.
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So playing SDSU on a boat 5 miles from their campus and playing at Arkansas this year don't count?
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I'd love to play SU, but frankly I think UConn will get blackballed by all the high profile schools in the area in both basketball and football. I don't even think Georgetown or Villanova will come near us. Part of it is to get rid of UConn as a competitor and also because I don't think the school has really endeared itself to other schools in the conference. Furthermore our Athletic Director has not shown an the ability to schedule, though it is still early days on that front.
UConn OOC schedule will consist of distant schools who have a reputation of scheduling aggressively like Florida, Michigan State, Gonzaga and UCLA.
UConn OOC schedule will consist of distant schools who have a reputation of scheduling aggressively like Florida, Michigan State, Gonzaga and UCLA.
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You don't get to 899 playing tough OOC games.
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UVa and GT to B1G
UNC and Duke to SEC
Miami, FSU, Clemson, VT, Pitt and NC St. to B1G12
Syracuse, Wake Forest, Louisville and BC join the Big East/West.
I hope you guys get a refund on your entry/exit fees, because I hear the BEW re-entry fee will be very expensive.
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Dude you need to stay off the WVU "PDex-GF" Board. Dude, MFVer3, Greg Swarmy, etc...have missed every call.
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I agree with most of what you say. As to whether they've endeared themselves, consider what Tranghese has said about UConn in the past, as well as Jacobs's recent article which highlighted how UConn was integral in brokering the peace between the football and basketball schools in the 1990s to allow BE football to come into being in the first place. I think UConn has played a much more significant role in BE administration than has been publicly acknowledged. Tranghese has mentioned this multiple times in the past, and Jacobs is just now getting the details.
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When it breaks up, it will break up spectacularly. There will not be a piecemeal approach. Simply put, the B1G and SEC spots will be taken up instantly. It doesn't matter who grabs them--I don't care enough to really think through the possibilities, so I'm not really predicting it will pan out that way. I only know the top properties will be grabbed by the top conferences. I think very little of the ACC will be left in the end.
ND is going to join CYO in all sports.
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Syracuse will never play UConn during the regular season as long as Boeheim is there.
I don't blame him for his scheduling but you surely can come up with better examples.
SDSU: On a boat. Sure it was close to campus, but it wasn't exactly open to the fans in the same way a true road game would have been, or even a neutral court game close to the opponents campus. The NCAAT game UConn played against SDSU two years ago was more of an away game.
If the SDSU game was a Pauley, or the Staples Center, then I would give Cuse credit for a road victory, even if technically farther from SDSU campus on a neutral court. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't most tickets given to the military for that game?
Arkansas was part of the SEC - BE challenge, correct? I don't think Boeheim had a choice in accepting that game or it's venue.
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Boeheim was asked to play on the boat...he said yes. The team flew 3000 miles. Sure it was not like playing on campus but the game was away. There was military but it had mostly paying fans.
So let me get this straight: an away game is only an away game is if you schedule it and isn't assigned to do it? Is this like we got no credit for beating KU in Kansas City and Florida in Tampa a few years ago since it was "neutral" and all MSG/NJ/Philly/Boston/Atlantic City/DC games are home games?
When you have the biggest arena for College Hoops...you can dictate terms. I wish he played more quality OOC matchups but the BE did a pretty good job of prepping you for the tourney.
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Are you really trying to argue that your team does not consistently plays a weak out of conference schedule and nearly no away games? You may be able to convince marsh and some other minions on your board that, but please give it a break over here.
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LOL no...I just don't think it is that much worse than some of the other 5-10 Top programs out there. I won't apologize that we can get 15-18k to show up in Nov and Dec to beat up Rando Upstate NY Div 1 school...you guys play your fair share of them too. It is good to be at the top of the food chain.
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I actually give Cuse more credit for KU and UF than SDSU as away games. They are much better examples than either of this year's games.
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Arizona, UNC, Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan St, Gonzaga, Kansas. Those are just a few teams Uconn has scheduled home and homes with in the last 10 years or so (gonzaga was played in NBA arenas near the teams home courts). These werent part of any conference affiliated 'challenge' where the team is forced into the game. Please enlighten us with Syracuse's brutal out of conference road games over the years.
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That game in texas was awesome and added to kemba's legacy. Plus that was orginal hail mary from roscoe that was worst of the worst for like a year. The gonzaga series was fun too but in fairness spokane and seattle are pretty far apart.
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He's not. He would prefer a better schedule as well. His point is that Cuse doesn't do things much differently than the top programs. They don't have to because they can dictate terms.
Both Syracuse and UConn are going to be looking to set up OOC games at MSG against SJU. Notre Dame has already been begging to do so and Brey has said as much.I think it is very likely you'll see that type of arrangement because it is good for both sides.
UConn just needs to play in MSG once a year, it doesn't need to be against SJU at all.
Shows how little you know. Uconn's appeal is playing a team like SJU for NYC recruiting which has been Uconn's lifeblood. Now you have no Jim Calhoun and think you'll be trying to play an ACC team once a year in NYC to increase your allure? Especially a team like Cuse who will soon also see their HOF head coach retire?
Pretty funny that you know what Uconn needs now, when some in this thread don't seem to want to play any games in the state of Connecticut any more and take over MSG. Uconn doesn't even outsell SJU fans at MSG any more like they did in the 90's nor is Uconn landing that talent level any more. Be careful what you wish for before blowing off SJU.
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No one knows what level of talent Uconn can land out of NYC. It's up in the air. You can pretend you know, but you don't.
So far this coach brought in Omar Calhoun, Kentan Facey, Terrence Samuel, all from NYC. No one knows how good these players will be. Samuel may be a Tate George, Facey may be an Emeka Okafor type, Omar Calhoun may become a Rashad Anderson. There is no way to know whether these 3 might be as good as the 3 I compared them to. Furthermore, these 3 are all from NYC, and they were recruited by Kevin Ollie, so there's that.
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First it's UConn.
Second, I don't think the main part of the draw is the SJU part of the SJU at MSG game. It's the MSG part of the equation.
Third, in the past it was also the BET at MSG (much bigger than any regular season SJU game). This was probably the biggest factor, this will be irreplaceable, game against SJU or not.
Fourth, you say ACC game, but we both know we are talking about Cuse, which draws exceedingly well at MSG/NYC. Look at the crowds at the BET, Cuse and UConn dominate the crowds.
Fifth, Kemba Walker influence.
Sixth, give me a coaches versus cancer type game versus a ranked team and Cuse in the Garden every year and I'll be fine with that.
Seventh, like all things it will come down to winning.
I think you are a bit overreactive. I wasn't saying the SJU wouldn't be on the schedule or it wouldn't be a fun game. I just don't think it's "needed."
I think UConn will continue to go after and get kids in NYC regardless of whether they play SJU once a year.
My point was that Uconn's influence in recruiting circles will fade if Uconn plays only one game a year in NYC. IMO Uconn should be looking to play more there than that, considering the loss of Calhoun and league changes. As far as Ollie landing those NYC kids, Calhoun was still there for their entire recruitment as was the Big East. Neither Samuel nor Facey were too tier NYC kids. I'm not saying there isn't talent there, but Uconn needs NYC talent more than you realize and should be looking to maximize exposure there.
UConn, or UCONN.
Depends on what you mean by top tier?
Facey is a top 100 recruit and arguably the #2 NYC high school player this year behind Lawrence.
Samuel is a bit lower but again arguably the best or second best PG in his NYC high school class.
If you think Lawrence is the only top tier kid in this year's NYC class, then well you have to clarify what you mean by top tier. Are we talking top 20 nationally? Top 50? Top 100?
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No, you're so wrong here.
Calhoun was not there for their entire recruitment. Seems you're unaware of UConn recruiting right now.
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I've seen a lot of Facey. Nowhere near #2 anything in Ny basketball. Kid is raw and has a looong way to go. Haven't seen as much of Samuel. Jim Calhoun was the head coach for nearly the entire recruitment of those players. I've followed NYC recruiting for a long time. Facey is generously a top 100 player. Maybe he'll improve a lot by the time he gets to UConn, as he's already better and a nice athlete.
I've seen a lot of Facey. Nowhere near #2 anything in Ny basketball. Kid is raw and has a looong way to go. Haven't seen as much of Samuel. Jim Calhoun was the head coach for nearly the entire recruitment of those players. I've followed NYC recruiting for a long time. Facey is generously a top 100 player. Maybe he'll improve a lot by the time he gets to UConn, as he's already better and a nice athlete.
We will have to agree to disagree on Facey.
Edit: in hindsight, I meant in his class, not overall. Overall he isn't #2, but in his class, easily.
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