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LOL! Wrote the same thing earlier in this thread! Great mines think alike!
Give the coach this loss
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but everyone is fine when calhoun never fouled right?
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You win 3 national championships, 866 games you earn some respect when you go against the conventional wisdom. Like Belichek going on 4th down from a place nobody does...Ollie hasn't done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt when he violates the norms. If he gets to 100 wins even, maybe he earns that right. So far he's 0-1...
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This doesn't make sense. Ollie didn't go against conventional wisdom or violate any norms. He followed the CW. So that makes him 0-0.
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Of course, when reading the above post, one must understand that phrases like "conventional wisdom" and "violates the norm" are according to the poster and in no way are they accepted in the real world as the eternally jaded and delusional poster would like you to believe.
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That one was too early to foul. McNamara released that shot with eight seconds left, so the foul would have had to have come with about 9-10 seconds left. Way too much time.
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This was a situation where you foul. the Syracuse game was different I think, more like 8-10 seconds left I think. And I think most coaches would foul in last night's situation. the intentional miss is a very difficult play to pull off. My point was in response to the comment that Calhoun wouldn't foul. He's a proven winner. On occasion he doesn't follow the playbook, he isn't going to get questioned while a guy who has coached 13 games will. Ollie didn't go with the standard practice to foul in that situation and he lost.
this has nothing to do with calhoun v ollie for me...i always hated when calhoun didnt do it and i would have hated not fouling regardless of whether or not the shot went in last night. ive always believed fouling is the right play based on everything ive seen whether it be math, common sense or the eyetest
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You've made your point perfectly clear. If you were coaching you would have called for the foul. I thought I read somewhere that KO called for the foul but the team didn't execute. So two questions: why the persistence of the argument? And since the game played for more than 5.6 seconds can you comment on the positive and negatives within the game?
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It's not the norm to foul, we see these situations occur all the time with shot attempts going up to tie...and I say this as someone who is usually in the camp to foul.
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Even though I know it was rhetorical, no one needs my permission for anything.
I just feel people do themselves a better service if they don't just play one note, particularly a note that starts to annoy the listeners.
There are a lot of good posters who run circles around me. I know my limitations. But I'll continue to contribute anyways. I just think this forum isn't any different from other things in life. For instance, If DD only took threes he would be in trouble. His play has gotten more dynamic and as a result he's doing better. And it increases the potential for the team.
Too many posters, IMO, come here only expressing negative things. I'm not making a statement that people shouldn't complain. I'm suggesting this forum will significantly improve if more people take the time to express a more balanced commentary about players and games than what currently is taking place.
Yours was the first post I read when I decided I would try to suggest this. It has nothing to do with you personally, so I hope you don't take offense. I might try it out on a few other people until I get clocked enough times to know the inertia is just too strong.
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I decided to let the game sink in before posting anything. Sure, if we fouled, possibly we could have won. But then Marquette makes 2 free throws, we inbounds, get fouled, maybe make both, then the same situation is set up again.
I think a bigger problem was our offensive sets the last 2 minutes. Way too much 1 on 1 stuff by Boat. Sure he made some big shots as well, but dribbling the ball around for 25 seconds trying to find an opening before turning the ball over is not offense. It's one guy trying to win the game for us. And he failed.
No biggie as hopefully they will learn from this, but our offense the last few minutes was just as much to blame for the loss as the last second prayer that they jacked up that went in...
I think a bigger problem was our offensive sets the last 2 minutes. Way too much 1 on 1 stuff by Boat. Sure he made some big shots as well, but dribbling the ball around for 25 seconds trying to find an opening before turning the ball over is not offense. It's one guy trying to win the game for us. And he failed.
No biggie as hopefully they will learn from this, but our offense the last few minutes was just as much to blame for the loss as the last second prayer that they jacked up that went in...
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Outside of the first couple of minutes and the sequence you are pointing out, I thought that second half was a significant upgrade for this team. It would have been even better if DD didn't aggravate his injury.
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There's always the fear in the last two minutes that if you run a set and put the ball in the hands of a guy you don't really want having it - beyond a catch and shoot (Giffey or Omar), the other team might turn up the defensive pressure and you might not be able to get it back in the right player's hands. We've always been conservative in those spots - give it to Khalid, Caron, Ben, Marcus, AJ, Kemba, Shabazz/Boat and let them try to make something happen late in the clock. When your "A" guy misses, at least you can take solace that you had it in the right guy's hands (this is a coaching thought, moreso than a fan's).
Saying Boat "failed" when he scored - even on a difficult shot - is a bit of an extreme choice of words. He killed the whole shot clock and scored, which was almost the ideal scenario we could have hoped for (ideal would have been a 3 to make it a 4-point game). Although the irony is that a miss might have actually worked out better for us, since the made basket stops the clock -- and maybe that second or two difference benefitted them. That's just hindsight, of course, since obviously I wanted the shot to go in when it was in mid-air.
Saying Boat "failed" when he scored - even on a difficult shot - is a bit of an extreme choice of words. He killed the whole shot clock and scored, which was almost the ideal scenario we could have hoped for (ideal would have been a 3 to make it a 4-point game). Although the irony is that a miss might have actually worked out better for us, since the made basket stops the clock -- and maybe that second or two difference benefitted them. That's just hindsight, of course, since obviously I wanted the shot to go in when it was in mid-air.
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Geno really said it best:
"The only right decision," Auriemma said, "is if it turns out right."
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Exactly. And it's only paranoia if no one kills you.
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I think it would make little sense to foul in that situation. First the Marquette player is a great free throw shooter. If you fouled him in the act of shooting you would dramatically increase the odds of a tie. Second, if you fouled him and he shot two, he could make the first, miss the second and hope for a put-back (We are not a great rebounding team). In either case, the odds of them tying are greater than that three point heave that went in. Marquette had not made a three all night and the ball handler was a poor outside shooter. I think the highest percentage chance for the win was exactly what happened. Sometimes "the best laid plans of mice and men oft will go awry."
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