Girls lose :(

[whaler11]

That’s because they called 2 absolutely made up charges that would’ve basically put the game way.

You can pass the next 9 months blaming the refs. Enjoy.

 

[HuskyNan]

They don't play a good team in January-March in their piss league. Is that clear enough for you? The 2nd best team in the AAC is USF who lost by 30 to Buffalo. They get a high profile non league opponent once or twice during that time but as bad as you think the AAC is in mens basketball it is heinous in women's basketball.

They beat two of the other final four teams in February. The South Carolina game was away.

Muffet is a great coach. ND deserves some credit for taking UConn out of its game.

 

[Devland]

That’s because they called 2 absolutely made up charges that would’ve basically put the game way.

The problem with the charge call, that he freaked out about, was the Notre Dame girl had both feet completely inside the circle. Unless the women don't use the circle (I don't watch many women's games so I am not up on their rules). Celtics were off tonight and I hate baseball. It was a horrible night to watch sports.

 

[bigknight3]

Refs were horrible, but Kia Nurse did travel on her game tying layup and it wasn't called.

Painful.

Massive travel!

Also, Katie Lou Samuelson ended up with the ball in her hands for what should be an easy shot for her at the end of OT after the "buzzer beater". She got the shot off in time but looked like her focus was gone. She already accepted they lost the game.

 

[browndog319]

Conspiracy theory: do you think this was done to change the narrative around how UConn is bad for women’s basketball? The better game would have been MSU against UConn but another 1 seed taking out UConn shows more parity, not dominance of one team... and if the officiating was an issue. Just a thought.

 

[bigknight3]

The problem with the charge call, that he freaked out about, was the Notre Dame girl had both feet completely inside the circle. Unless the women don't use the circle (I don't watch many women's games so I am not up on their rules). Celtics were off tonight and I hate baseball. It was a horrible night to watch sports.

They said in the broadcast that the circle has nothing to do with the primary defender. It's if a secondary help defender is stepping in. The ref determined that Uconn player dipped her shoulder into her primary defender to score.

 

[BugsyCT]

Women's board in full meltdown mode, there are people posting their goodbyes to WCBB because they can't take the heart ache.

I think the men's team has lost more this year than they have in the last 10.

Not surprised - that segment of fan base has been unparalleled in terms of being spoiled. Even after 11 NCs and 19 FF appearances, destroying opponents every night every year, if THIS is enough to tip the scales for them to call it quits, then maybe they need to do just that because sports fandom has never been easier than what they've had in the Geno era.

And for anyone blaming the AAC for them losing this game - really? REALLY? Was the old Big East really that much better than the AAC at WBB? Outside of ND and maybe UofL and Nova who challenged them on a yearly basis, if I recall they were destroying conference opponents regularly back then too and the "lack of parity in women's hoops" complaint would pop up whenever they beat Cincy or Providence or St. John's by 80 points. So please stop with that nonsense. OOC this year they played Stanford, Cal, Maryland, UCLA, Michigan St., Nevada, ND, DePaul, Oklahoma and destroyed them all. And they just beat Duke and destroyed SCar (team that won it all last year). It's not the conference. Not for the women's team.

 

[bigknight3]

Q4 was awful. Not sure what Geno was thinking sticking with KLS with 4 fouls, which opened up the inside for ND. I don't watch them enough to know how Geno usually subs, but it sure looked to me like UConn was a better team with Stevens on the floor tonight. Regardless, sticking with KLS late hurt the team and Muffet took full advantage.

KLS was his only consistent outside scoring threat. ND woulda packed the paint without her in.

 

[the Q]

You can pass the next 9 months blaming the refs. Enjoy.

Just saying that’s why he was freaking out.

Those calls were awful. Not even an argument to being accurate.

Uconn played soft, slow and timid all night.

They can’t handle the bright lights.

 

[the Q]

Massive travel!

Also, Katie Lou Samuelson ended up with the ball in her hands for what should be an easy shot for her at the end of OT after the "buzzer beater". She got the shot off in time but looked like her focus was gone. She already accepted they lost the game.

They never call that travel. I wish they would.

But that happens 20+ times per game in men’s game. I said that during last years FF and half the board freaked out about it.

 

[housekeys]

They said in the broadcast that the circle has nothing to do with the primary defender. It's if a secondary help defender is stepping in. The ref determined that Uconn player dipped her shoulder into her primary defender to score.

I have to look at the play again, but I think the foul was on KLS who drove and passed the ball to a teammate who scored. The ND player slid into KLS path and the ref called a charge. This gave KLS 3 fouls, and negated the UConn basket, on a play that I thought should have been a no call, given the tone of the game set by the officials. That is what is wrong with the officials in both genders. They set a tone for calling the game, and then, out of the blue, they violate their view of the game for certain plays. This happens to both teams and that is why fans bitch.

 

[80shusky]

Women's board in full meltdown mode, there are people posting their goodbyes to WCBB because they can't take the heart ache.

I think the men's team has lost more this year than they have in the last 10.

What would happen if they *gasp* lose two games in a season?

 

[the Q]

I have to look at the play again, but I think the foul was on KLS who drove and passed the ball to a teammate who scored. The ND player slid into KLS path and the ref called a charge. This gave KLS 3 fouls, and negated the UConn basket, on a play that I thought should have been a no call, given the tone of the game set by the officials. That is what is wrong with the officials in both genders. They set a tone for calling the game, and then, out of the blue, they violate their view of the game for certain plays. This happens to both teams and that is why fans bitch.

The KLS one the defender was out of bounds. Which means it cannot be a charge.

You cannot have legal guarding position while out of bounds.

 

[bigknight3]

I have to look at the play again, but I think the foul was on KLS who drove and passed the ball to a teammate who scored. The ND player slid into KLS path and the ref called a charge. This gave KLS 3 fouls, and negated the UConn basket, on a play that I thought should have been a no call, given the tone of the game set by the officials.

There were two charges that set Geno off. One was Stevens (I think?) dipping her shoulder into her primary defender directly underneath the basket.

The play you mentioned was KLS. I think a ND player stepped in outside of the circle while KLS dumped the ball off to teammate. The ND defender flopped. KLS stepped out of bounds to avoid running into the ND defender. I was surprised they called the charge considering KLS step diagonally out of bounds. She didn't run directly into the ND defender.

 

[ctchamps]

There were two charges that set Geno off. One was Stevens (I think?) dipping her shoulder into her primary defender directly underneath the basket.

The play you mentioned was KLS. I think a ND player stepped in outside of the circle while KLS dumped the ball off to teammate. The ND defender flopped. KLS stepped out of bounds to avoid running into the ND defender. I was surprised they called the charge considering KLS step diagonally out of bounds. She didn't run directly into the ND defender.

Yes KLS stepped diagonally and should not have received a foul but the perspective of the ref didn’t have the benefit of camera angle viewers had.

 

[Mr. French]

Yes KLS stepped diagonally and should not have received a foul but the perspective of the ref didn’t have the benefit of camera angle viewers had.

Ya and I think he was more mad at KLS for taking the extra step and dribble she could have dumped off a step early and avoided it.

He lost it at the Stevens one, and not so much bc it was a terrible call but bc it was the second straight and it seemed like she definitely flopped...good play but I think you can tell she used that tiny shoulder dip as means to FLY backwards and sell it, which the ref bought for the second straight time.

 

[ctchamps]

Women's board in full meltdown mode, there are people posting their goodbyes to WCBB because they can't take the heart ache.

I think the men's team has lost more this year than they have in the last 10.

Sadly a good number of them won’t be around period.

And the meltdown is being led by some of the same people who have meltdowns here.

There are some differences when it comes to fan bases but most fan bases are similar. I’m sure the football posters look at the men’s forum and compare their resume with ours and laugh at our inability to deal with our situation.

 

[Showballot]

AAC effect?

Play tough teams early on, but have essentially no competition 2/3 of the season.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

Is it fair to question Geno's situational coaching and team's poise in an actual close game when it matters?

He's the greatest women's coach of all time, and is great at building a monster and throttling inferior teams. But how about when it's a 3 point game with 5 minutes left against a team that can somewhat keep up with them? He has continuously been outcoached by Muffet in close, big games.

I think it's also fair to say that UConn doesn't get much experience in grind-it-out games where ND has more experience with close games.

I'm also taking the abysmal refereeing out of this for now.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Women's board in full meltdown mode, there are people posting their goodbyes to WCBB because they can't take the heart ache.

I think the men's team has lost more this year than they have in the last 10.

And you're just about spot on

16 total losses starting with 07-08
20 total losses starting with 06-07

 

[Rocktheworld]

Not surprised - that segment of fan base has been unparalleled in terms of being spoiled. Even after 11 NCs and 19 FF appearances, destroying opponents every night every year, if THIS is enough to tip the scales for them to call it quits, then maybe they need to do just that because sports fandom has never been easier than what they've had in the Geno era.

And for anyone blaming the AAC for them losing this game - really? REALLY? Was the old Big East really that much better than the AAC at WBB? Outside of ND and maybe UofL and Nova who challenged them on a yearly basis, if I recall they were destroying conference opponents regularly back then too and the "lack of parity in women's hoops" complaint would pop up whenever they beat Cincy or Providence or St. John's by 80 points. So please stop with that nonsense. OOC this year they played Stanford, Cal, Maryland, UCLA, Michigan St., Nevada, ND, DePaul, Oklahoma and destroyed them all. And they just beat Duke and destroyed SCar (team that won it all last year). It's not the conference. Not for the women's team.

Meh, in looking up the loss totals per @Bryan Lord post in the 5 years UConn has been in the AAC they have not lost a single conference game. From 2000 when they started racking up NCs onward to the end of the BE, they lost 14 times in-conference, averaging about a loss per season. And that's with some teams and players that were way better than this year's.

For OOC, in the 5 AAC years they have lost 4 total games (so 4 total losses). In the above time period, in the OOC they lost 24 times (averaging almost 2 losses OOC per year), again with better teams. I don't watch them and don't care to go back and look at their OOC match-ups, but I have a feeling if anything Geno has stepped up the OOC since AAC began. He's known for a while that his teams have to be challenged OOC because otherwise despite the above stats yeah his teams have always essentially ran through conference play

 

[BlueDogs]

Frankly, ND had a bunch of tanks out there that physically manhandled a better, more athletic team. They definitely crawled into UConn's heads and for whatever reason the girls just didn't execute at a high level. There were a TON of mental errors... bad passes, shot clock violations, defensive lapses... not what I remember seeing in UConn women basketball teams.

 

[UConn990411]

Notre Dame women’s players flopping is nothing new - they’re worse than the Duke men in that regard.

Here’s a live look at Muffet teaching her team to play defense:

 

[metsfan2323]

What was the AAC effect when they set the record for consecutive wins? and didn't they play two really good teams last week that should have gotten them ready for last night?

BTW don't they play men in practice? Geno can make the practices tougher than the games if he wants to.

It's not the AAC's fault. Geno blew this game by not giving Azura Stevens more minutes. She was the best player on the court.

 

[husky429]

They never call that travel. I wish they would.

But that happens 20+ times per game in men’s game. I said that during last years FF and half the board freaked out about it.

Refs are trained not to call that travel. The distinction when she controls the ball is hard to judge, so they let it slide.

Better than kembas full 5 steps in the backcourt last year, lol

 

[Horatio]

Frankly, ND had a bunch of tanks out there that physically manhandled a better, more athletic team. They definitely crawled into UConn's heads and for whatever reason the girls just didn't execute at a high level. There were a TON of mental errors... bad passes, shot clock violations, defensive lapses... not what I remember seeing in UConn women basketball teams.

Exactly. After last year and now last night its
Becoming a physical issue. Geno should consider sacrificing some of the athleticism for size and height.

 

[buddy]

Frankly, ND had a bunch of tanks out there that physically manhandled a better, more athletic team. They definitely crawled into UConn's heads and for whatever reason the girls just didn't execute at a high level. There were a TON of mental errors... bad passes, shot clock violations, defensive lapses... not what I remember seeing in UConn women basketball teams.

This is exactly what I was going to say. The wide bodies that ND had down low especially just were able to neutralize the UConn defenders with ease. The UConn girls team was similar to the men's team in that regard. No real muscle that could last. Azure Stevens would have been player of the game, but for some reason, Geno decided not to start her in the third quarter. They would have put ND away.

 

[the Q]

Exactly. After last year and now last night its
Becoming a physical issue. Geno should consider sacrificing some of the athleticism for size and height.

No excuse for hose fat girls beating everyone up and down the court on multiple occasions for easy baskets. Geno can’t coach that.

 

[Scoe]

Exactly. After last year and now last night its
Becoming a physical issue. Geno should consider sacrificing some of the athleticism for size and height.

I dont think it would have been a bad idea to use Batouley for a couple minutes to pick up fouls and set screens, I get you can't do it late in the year I just dont understand Geno not using his bench at all.

 

[Horatio]

I dont think it would have been a bad idea to use Batouley for a couple minutes to pick up fouls and set screens, I get you can't do it late in the year I just dont understand Geno not using his bench at all.

He had a short bench all season for no reason . Why? Too talent to make kids wait.