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So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.
 
uconngb said:
So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.
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If I were Gerrit Cole I wouldnt wanna pitch right now with this Yankee lineup. Whatever let pitchers us pine tar and doctor the ball, and juice the ball too and let batters use pine tar on their bat who cares. Let teams use the shift if they want go ahead and steal bases. You know what bring back steroids, MLB knew about that its what brought baseball back.

Ya Yankees used roids and so did Sox players so what. Astros used technology thats a big difference, stealing signs isnt in the same ball park.
 
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Scoe said:
Give pitchers and hitters an advantage.
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How would you give both the pitcher and the hitter an advantage? That doesn't make sense.

Anyway, pitchers don't need a bigger advantage. The collective batting average in baseball is lower than it's been in something like 50 years, it's like .235 or something. Bums are throwing no-hitters. If you took your average major league starter and gave him a time machine to the 60s or 70s he's a top of the line starter and Cy Young candidate.

Lower the mound again, juice the balls, let them cork their bats. Do something.
 
uconngb said:
So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.
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I hear you and wish they would all come clean but I don't know a single Yankee fan who was ever silent or pretended Giambi, Clemens, and AFraud weren't juicing. ARod is probably the most hated Yankee of all-time.
 
Scoe said:
If I were Gerrit Cole I wouldnt wanna pitch right now with this Yankee lineup. Whatever let pitchers us pine tar and doctor the ball, and juice the ball too and let batters use pine tar on their bat who cares. Let teams use the shift if they want go ahead and steal bases. Give pitchers and hitters an advantage. You know what bring back steroids, MLB knew about that its what brought baseball back.

Ya Yankees used roids and so did Sox players so what. Astros used technology thats a big difference, stealing signs isnt in the same ball park.
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Except that the Yankees stole signs too
 
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superjohn said:
I hear you and wish they would all come clean but I don't know a single Yankee fan who was ever silent or pretended Giambi, Clemens, and AFraud weren't juicing. ARod is probably the most hated Yankee of all-time.
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When you talk about Yankee players who are loved and defended...it ain't giambi, Clemens and A Rod. I am neutral on giambi...but really didn't like Clemens or Rodriguez.
 
superjohn said:
I hear you and wish they would all come clean but I don't know a single Yankee fan who was ever silent or pretended Giambi, Clemens, and AFraud weren't juicing. ARod is probably the most hated Yankee of all-time.
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On this site Manny and Papi were crucified while the yanks got a pass. Except AFraud. Everyone seems to hate that guy. Even I don’t include Pettite, I think he just got bad advice. He was squeaky clean.....I think Clemens Fd him over.
 
I think there is a big difference between cheating by using steroids, and cheating by doctoring baseballs or stealing signs. Im not saying it's right, but stealing signs and doctoring baseballs have been part of the game for over 100 years. But, stealing signs with technology takes things to another level compared to stealing signs with the naked eye.

The steroid thing just got way out of control. It got to a point where if you were a player, you were probably hurting yourself by not taking any supplements because the majority of the players were in fact on something. Thats why the players who played in the steroid era that are borderline Hall of Famer's should get an extra look. Mike Mussina is somebody that comes to mind. He wasn't exactly a Randy Johnson or Greg Maddux, but his numbers are very good for somebody that played the game the right way and clean. Thats why he was voted in.
 
Every guy is using something and I’m sadly aware of our ability to squander talent only to have them succeed elsewhere, but yeah…Cole turning super human the second he got to Houston was a bit curious.
 
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uconngb said:
On this site Manny and Papi were crucified while the yanks got a pass. Except AFraud. Everyone seems to hate that guy. Even I don’t include Pettite, I think he just got bad advice. He was squeaky clean.....I think Clemens Fd him over.
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They were all juicing. My only beef was the Mitchell report was a sham.

I'm all for professional athletes using stuff but just be honest about it. Instead we are left with sham witch hunts, gossip, and fans pretending their favorites aren't on stuff.
 
I wouldn't put Mussina or anyone else on a pedestal for being clean. We as fans have zero idea who used what and who if anyone was completely clean. Too much money at stake to not think the majority of players during that era at one time or another tried to gain an advantage in performance or speed up recovery from an injury with HGH or steroids. At some point it probably went from gaining an advantage to just keeping up with the Joneses and not falling behind.
 
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Seems like any pitcher who went to Houston for a period of time over the last few years became Sandy Koufax overnight. Verlander found the fountain of youth, Morton went from an okay pitcher to a great pitcher and Cole became God. I'm sure their blase' attitude toward the rules didn't stop with the hitters so even as a Yankee fan, I can realistically assume that Cole (among others) is no angel.
 
It’s a weird problem to try to fix. It’s not just an MLB issue either. I work for the CPL and it’s pretty common to see a pitcher loading up a ball if you’re looking for it. And given that these are all college players, it’s fair to assume that it’s an NCAA issue as well.

At the same time, it’s probably not as widespread as it is in the MLB.
 
Not sure I’d classify doctoring the ball in the same category as chemically altering your body or using electronic surveillance, but everyone can draw the line where they please.
 
I bet the Yanks are REALLY happy with that Cole contract right about now...couple that with the Stanton deal and they are screwed for the next X years unless Hal is willing to crack the luxury tax again.
 
uconngb said:
So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.
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And even if true he’s the only pitcher doing so? Lol not sure of the comparison to stealing signs but feel free to rant.
 
This article is wild. I highly recommend it.

www.thescore.com

Baseball's dirty little secret is out. We decided to experiment

The menu options were laid out before me, like stepping up to the counter of a Chipotle for cheaters.Inside the netting surrounding the indoor bullpen at Performance Velocity Systems, a baseball training center in the southern hills of Pittsburgh, was an assortment of grip-enhancing substances...
www.thescore.com www.thescore.com
 
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uconngb said:
On this site Manny and Papi were crucified while the yanks got a pass. Except AFraud. Everyone seems to hate that guy. Even I don’t include Pettite, I think he just got bad advice. He was squeaky clean.....I think Clemens Fd him over.
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ARod is so needy to be liked it becomes easy to hate him
 
ToolzieFan said:
This article is wild. I highly recommend it.

www.thescore.com

Baseball's dirty little secret is out. We decided to experiment

The menu options were laid out before me, like stepping up to the counter of a Chipotle for cheaters.Inside the netting surrounding the indoor bullpen at Performance Velocity Systems, a baseball training center in the southern hills of Pittsburgh, was an assortment of grip-enhancing substances...
www.thescore.com www.thescore.com
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That was a great read....but the embedded tweet is crazy...A pitched ball sticking to a chest protector...not sure you need much more evidence than that!

Ball stuck to chest protector
 
UCDaveD said:
Not sure I’d classify doctoring the ball in the same category as chemically altering your body or using electronic surveillance, but everyone can draw the line where they please.
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If giving yourself the ability to spin the ball and make the ball do things more severely than you are capable of doing without the substance it has the same effect as altering your body to get the ball to do the same things as the substance allows you to do.
 
uconngb said:
So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.
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Every baseball fan has been pissed at the Astros. Not just Yankees fans. Yankees fans also gave Arod tons of shit for what he did. Sox fans still think Papi was clean. You really like to revise history.
 
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uconngb said:
Except that the Yankees stole signs too
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They did not. Do you have proof of this, or are you just going by the BS that's in your head because you hate the Yankees?

At the time, the league announced that the Yankees had "violated a rule governing the use of a dugout phone." What MLB didn't say was that no one had accused the Yankees of cheating.

Their previously unreported actual offense, according to major league sources?

A member of the team, likely then-pitching coach Larry Rothschild, used the dugout phone to call replay coordinator Brett Weber and ask if a particular pitch was a ball or a strike. This did not even occur in 2017, but in a prior season. Weber openly admitted this to the league during its investigation. That's it. Technically a violation, but hardly on the same level as an Apple Watch scheme.
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The league drew a clear line before the 2018 season, and this is where the paths of the Yankees and Red Sox diverge.

According to multiple major league sources, the league is not investigating or aware of any allegations that the Yankees used their replay room to steal signs in 2018 or 2019.
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The Mitchell report was a total crock btw not a single Redsox players on the list.
 
Let me preface that I’m a Yankees fan.

This sound byte nearly proves he uses a sticky substance to improve grip and spin rate.

However, is it Cole’s responsibility to take the brunt of this? No.

Spin rates are through the roof and, like steroids before, if Cole is guilty then a sizable percentage of pitchers are too.
 
Pitchers have always used some sort of substance for grip. The reason no managers make an issue during the game is because they have pitchers doing the same. This goes on in every level of baseball. The only time you see a manger call out another player is if it is so ridiculously obviously, see Michael Pineda from a few years ago. Was basically wearing pine tar everywhere. Interesting to see where this goes.
 
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