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Icebear said:
Not under similar circumstances. Remember Geno did not call the girl. He called the coverage team. He apparently didn't even know she was going to be in the booth. I would give any coach the benefit of the doubt it that circumstance.

This was not a call to her home, her school, to her. It was a call cleared by UCONN compliance. Once on the air talking with the coverage team and they say, "Wait, she is here do you want to talk to her directly?" What is he supposed to do, be impolite and come off as a pompous jackass saying, "No, I can't talk to her." Sorry that doesn't cut it.
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That could be true, but I have doubts. Gotta source?

I am not entirely sure it matters.
 
temery said:
Call me crazy, but I can see it a violation that if left unchecked, could easily be abused. With that said, a first "offense" should be little more than a stern warning. A pattern of calling such athletes ... Yeah, that would and should be a problem for any school.

One thing for sure, if it had been the coach of a UConn rival who had made the call, it would have been considered a crime against humanity in the minds of many here.
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I can think of a lot of things in our society that should be an "offense" but if they aren't on the books, someone who commits the so-called "offense" can't be prosecuted. Here, unless there is something in the NCAA rules we've all missed, Geno Auriemma did not violate any NCAA written by-laws. Maybe, the NCAA should revise their rules to include such a situation, but that's another story. And I think it's unfair to accuse Boneyarders of being one-sided. Sure, we're sensitive to injustices against our great coach, but I suspect few on this board would have gone overboard had another coach done exactly the same thing and it was made clear that it didn't violate the NCAA written by-laws.
 
temery said:
That could be true, but I have doubts. Gotta source?

I am not entirely sure it matters.
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The source is Geno himself.

"I get contacted by some people with the Little League World Series who say is it OK if she calls you. I said how about I just call and you tell her I said congratulations. I call the office and, 'You know, Coach, she is standing right here.' I said put her on the phone, I want to say congratulations. I say congratulations."

http://m.middletownpress.com/middle...?contentguid=anaA6jNL&detailindex=1&pn=0&ps=3
 
doggydaddy said:
The source is Geno himself.

"I get contacted by some people with the Little League World Series who say is it OK if she calls you. I said how about I just call and you tell her I said congratulations. I call the office and, 'You know, Coach, she is standing right here.' I said put her on the phone, I want to say congratulations. I say congratulations."

http://m.middletownpress.com/middle...?contentguid=anaA6jNL&detailindex=1&pn=0&ps=3
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He should have said yes, it's ok.

I am not sure it would have prevented the controversy, but it would have been a fraction of what it has become.
 
temery - the problem is that something like half the D1 programs in the country run camps for athletes every summer using if not the head coach than some of the assistants and some of their players to staff the camps. These camps happen throughout the summer with I believe no regard to NCAA contact and dead contact periods and with the NCAA finding no problem with them because the kids are all pre-highschool age. All that contact is truly sport specific and a great recruiting edge. And Mo'ne Davis' other activities this summer could also be considered 'violations' - well publicized meetings with WNBA players she admires that would all be classified as 'representatives' of their former college teams - heck, the WNBA just paid for her to travel around and every one of those people she met including Brazile and Richie herself would be classified as representatives of their former colleges and in those cases there was monetary value provided to both Davis and her family. And what about all the twitter shout outs from folks like Staley (another Philly person by the way) and others.
I actually think it would have made sense for the NCAA to go in the exact opposite direction - identifying Davis as an exception to any non-contact rule they want to enforce for pre-highschoolers because of her fame. There are not a whole lot of kids 13 and under that become so famous. Make that a criteria and it might happen once a decade.
 
RoyDodger said:
I can think of a lot of things in our society that should be an "offense" but if they aren't on the books, someone who commits the so-called "offense" can't be prosecuted. Here, unless there is something in the NCAA rules we've all missed, Geno Auriemma did not violate any NCAA written by-laws. Maybe, the NCAA should revise their rules to include such a situation, but that's another story. And I think it's unfair to accuse Boneyarders of being one-sided. Sure, we're sensitive to injustices against our great coach, but I suspect few on this board would have gone overboard had another coach done exactly the same thing and it was made clear that it didn't violate the NCAA written by-laws.
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'Yarders are as partisan as posters on any site. The fact most sites have a much smaller voice doesn't change this fact.

As to the first part of you post - I didn't say he violated or technically violated any NCAA rule, or should be "prosecuted," but I do believe contacting potential players, regardless of age, is a problem waiting to happen.
 
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The biggest thing that sticks in my craw is this: here is the big bad NCAA exercising it's "penalty power" over a seemingly innocuous phone call congratulating a female little league player for her success, who happens to have said that her dream is to play for UConn. This is a child who is 4 years away from high school graduation and three years from signing a letter of intent. Yet, there are issues at other institutions for CURRENT student athletes that constitute fraud in the form of fake classes, students not attending classes yet still passing, etc. and they seemingly cannot get off their duffs to invoke even a slap on the wrist penalty to said institutions.

Seems to me the NCAA has misplaced priorities and seems very quick to penalize some schools yet turn a blind eye to others - yet one of their said missions is to protect all student athletes.

I have to wonder...if UCONN was in one of the P5 conferences would the blind eye have overlooked the phone call? Is the NCAA dragging their feet on the P5 schools transgressions to appease them? The NCAA's power in the P5 is waning as those schools begin to branch away and make their own rules. So they wield their big ruler on the institutions unlucky enough to not be in the P5, yet are still a power player in some sports.
 
UcMiami said:
temery - the problem is that something like half the D1 programs in the country run camps for athletes every summer using if not the head coach than some of the assistants and some of their players to staff the camps. These camps happen throughout the summer with I believe no regard to NCAA contact and dead contact periods and with the NCAA finding no problem with them because the kids are all pre-highschool age.
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That's not a problem, it's a product of success. Most, if not all coaches have summer camps. Had Geno congratulated Mo'ne Davis at his camp, I doubt anyone would have cared.
 
temery said:
That's not a problem, it's a product of success. Most, if not all coaches have summer camps. Had Geno congratulated Mo'ne Davis at his camp, I doubt anyone would have cared.
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But if Mo'ne is classified as a potential student athlete at 13 is the NCAA now saying she can't attend a coaches camp because she is too famous?
 
HoopsFan21 said:
I prefer to call them what they really are: bullies. Bet this wouldn't be a violation anywhere else. It feels a lot like getting stopped by the local sheriff in some backwoods South Carolina town and the cop sees you have a Connecticut driver's license and knows it's his chance to screw with a Yankee ("well, well, well loooooky what we have here Cletus!") and do what he wants because there's nothing you can or will do about it. And Muffet says Geno doesn't have class...
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So you're a Yankee, eh...
 
Still and all, there is something deliciously funny about the possible prospect of Geno being required to be schooled on NCAA recruiting rules, probably by some intern. Sort of like maybe Jeff Gordon being required to go to driving safety school for making a u-turn on an empty street.
 
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temery said:
That's not a problem, it's a product of success. Most, if not all coaches have summer camps. Had Geno congratulated Mo'ne Davis at his camp, I doubt anyone would have cared.
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I'll bet he will, too!
 
UConnChapette said:
That is why I said "if" - but same holds true for any other school. Then again, that isn't Geno's style...unless it is Syracuse.
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That SU game wasn't Geno's doing... he just let his players answer back.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
It would be awesome if the school could, you know stop cheating, just for a few years. I mean the men just got off probation for God's sake so you'd think *someone* in the Athletic Department could say "yo Geno we don't have a great track record with the NCAA so maybe on these borderline cases we should just err on the side of caution." Sorry, I know most on here just care about the streaks and Ws, but I do actually give a damn about the athletic programs keeping it clean, and a secondary violation is still a violation.
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Really? Take a look around. The stuff that UConn has publicly suffered for are routinely overlooked in 90% of the country. Retroactive punishments, double jeopardy punishments? No one else gets that stuff, and it wasn't warranted the first time. A 7th semester senior in good standing should be allowed to leave school if they choose to (for a professional tryout), and not have the school penalized for it. Plenty of no-show classes and falsified grades that SHOULD be the NCAA priority go unreported, or ignored, let alone penalized.
 
uconnfan68 said:
That SU game wasn't Geno's doing... he just let his players answer back.
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I don't think with the teams Geno assembles, and the way they train, he needs to tell them to turn it on...all he can do is take them out...the championship against ND looked like a group of women answering a statement made to one of them at an awards ceremony in the most poignant way possible...
 
OneTrickPony said:
I don't think with the teams Geno assembles, and the way they train, he needs to tell them to turn it on...all he can do is take them out...the championship against ND looked like a group of women answering a statement made to one of them at an awards ceremony in the most poignant way possible...
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The SU game that was referred to was a very chippy game, and our kids were really tired of it. Geno just left his kids in to send a message.
 
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I haven't seen it cited, but Jeff Jacobs had an excellent column in The Courant the other day on this subject. Best line is his last: "The NCAA found UConn in violation of bylaw 13.1.3.1. We would submit that the NCAA is in violation of common sense, and the anonymous school hiding under that rock is one green, envious lizard."
 
And another very good article by Dan Wetzel on the subject.

Best lines:

"This is the rabbit hole of sub-bylaws all bureaucracies want to go down, while tsk-tsk'ing that rules are rules. In this case, it was Bylaw 13.1.3.1.

The NCAA doesn't just have too many rules; it has too many people obsessed with those rules who, in turn, keep writing more rules. It has too many coaches and administrators who see everything as a recruiting advantage that needs to be curbed or eliminated. It has too many compliance folks who think nothing is just a nice gesture."
 
I just find it sad that a coach can't call to say "congrats" to a kid anymore, especially a young kid. Sign of the times I guess.
 
Sounds like a no-harm situation. The violation carries no consequences, at least from what I read, and Geno got to make a connection with Davis, who obviously thinks highly of him and could be in a UCONN uni some day. If she is good enough to play for UCONN she has obviously made up her mind already where she wants to play.

Geno does ok in recruiting. Does anyone really think he needs to try to swoop in on a 13 year old who he has never even seen play basketball?
 
Some very good points and finally I got a computer and WiFi to catch up on the past two weeks. It appears to me its all about jealously and hate, because on the fact that other coaches have camps where potential recruits attend and are coached by coaches and players. IMO this is similar to a Hate Crime. So whats the big deal unless its UConn and Geno haters. Prejudice Jealously and Hate jmo folks. Why because Geno is the King of WCBB, a dominating influence and most popluar figure head in the womens game, and he's a male winner in a womens sport. Yes there still is the dislike and hate since 1995. I am at a point where I believe the person who called Geno out on such a ridiculous point along with the NCAA officials who sent the secondary violation should be made public so we all will know. This reminds me of the Tenn hate crime which was an NCAA violation with a similar result. Its this kind of stuff that angers me to no end. Geno is building the womens game. Yes he is the coach of the most dominating team in the history of the game along with winning teams on a national and international level. I am fed up with these bad attitudes because of the butt kicking his teams put on opponents and because he is now the face of WCBB. Lets get it out in the open and so we all know where its coming from. Yes I'm angry. This should not be tolerated by the NCAA. The NCAA should make it clear to the person who questioned Genos act and find out the real reason behind it. Let me end with this. How many coaches talk to girls in junior high and below? How many offer then scollies? Whats the difference?
 
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RoyDodger said:
I can think of a lot of things in our society that should be an "offense" but if they aren't on the books, someone who commits the so-called "offense" can't be prosecuted. Here, unless there is something in the NCAA rules we've all missed, Geno Auriemma did not violate any NCAA written by-laws. Maybe, the NCAA should revise their rules to include such a situation, but that's another story. And I think it's unfair to accuse Boneyarders of being one-sided. Sure, we're sensitive to injustices against our great coach, but I suspect few on this board would have gone overboard had another coach done exactly the same thing and it was made clear that it didn't violate the NCAA written by-laws.
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They have enough retroactive rules now. Don't get them started on more.
 
Tonyc said:
Some very good points and finally I got a computer and WiFi to catch up on the past two weeks. It appears to me its all about jealously and hate, because on the fact that other coaches have camps where potential recruits attend and are coached by coaches and players. IMO this is similar to a Hate Crime. So whats the big deal unless its UConn and Geno haters. Prejudice Jealously and Hate jmo folks. Why because Geno is the King of WCBB, a dominating influence and most popluar figure head in the womens game, and he's a male winner in a womens sport. Yes there still is the dislike and hate since 1995. I am at a point where I believe the person who called Geno out on such a ridiculous point along with the NCAA officials who sent the secondary violation should be made public so we all will know. This reminds me of the Tenn hate crime which was an NCAA violation with a similar result. Its this kind of stuff that angers me to no end. Geno is building the womens game. Yes he is the coach of the most dominating team in the history of the game along with winning teams on a national and international level. I am fed up with these bad attitudes because of the butt kicking his teams put on opponents and because he is now the face of WCBB. Lets get it out in the open and so we all know where its coming from. Yes I'm angry. This should not be tolerated by the NCAA. The NCAA should make it clear to the person who questioned Genos act and find out the real reason behind it. Let me end with this. How many coaches talk to girls in junior high and below? How many offer then scollies? Whats the difference?
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Or Tony just maybe Mike Emmert still has an axe to grind against UCONN.
 
OneTrickPony said:
I don't think with the teams Geno assembles, and the way they train, he needs to tell them to turn it on...all he can do is take them out...the championship against ND looked like a group of women answering a statement made to one of them at an awards ceremony in the most poignant way possible...
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Can you refresh my memory as to what was said and by whom ?
 
From Delmarva Now:
"The funny thing is that once you look past how the NCAA has again proven how utterly out of touch with reality it is, the thing that happens is Auriemma comes out of this looking like what he is — the best coach in women’s basketball.

In fact, he looks like the only sane person in the whole deal.

Why?

Let me ask you this: If your daughter was going to play college basketball, would you rather she play for the coach who took the time to call and congratulate a kid on a pretty impressive week? Or some other cowardly individual who reported the “violation” anonymously and will never have the guts to come forward and admit it?

Of course, everyone out there already wants to play for Geno anyway.

Just ask Mo’Ne Davis."
 
phil sampieri said:
Can you refresh my memory as to what was said and by whom ?
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As I recall, Breanna was at an award ceremony in which she was the award recipient. Muffet McGraw was there with several of her players that were also potentially being honored. She shepherded them into the front row of the ceremony along with her assistant coaches, and when Breanna went to the podium to receive the award, the Notre Dame contingent refused to applaud and engaged in a silent stare-down in an apparent attempt to unnerve and intimidate Breanna. There is a long thread here on the event. It was extremely distasteful, and it left me at least doing a slow boil. When the NC game rolled around, the UCONN team pounded the Irish with a breathtaking ferocity that allowed me to unclench from Muffet's antics and poor sportsmanship. My surmise is that members of the team may have felt the same way even though they are too self-controlled to vent their feelings in public, and threw themselves passionately into the best possible response.
 
I think one of the issues is that young players are making verbal commitments at such a young age now, like this headline from ESPN: "Seventh-grader commits to NC State"

This young girl is the same age as Davis, so it is not as if 13 year old girls are not already in the decision making process of choosing a university.
 
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