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Ok, I will play along with your fantasy, why are your predicting more "pine time" for Amari next year? Especially considering bigs take a bit longer to develop and that for as wonderful as we always think the "next best thing is coming in next year" Isunah will also have to learn, and Ayanna is not a back to the basket "big". As Amari learns more of the defensive rotations and the offenses read and react, given her skills, I do see her earning significant time next year. And if Dorka decides to turn Pro, Amari will probably be a starter by the end of next year. So, humor us and please tell why you think Amari will not play?
I don't think Dorka is pro-ready, so I expect another year from her in Storrs. AD's poor practices are not conducive to more playing time. Geno needs big, tough, bodies in the paint. I am not saying she won't play, she will..............but not much.

I will be very pleased to be wrong. What I stated was a prediction, not my wish.
 
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But you're almost describing a "Princeton" player. "Princeton" doesn't win Nat'l Championships. If the combination of things happen below offensively vs being just mediocre on Defense - she will potentially not see many minutes,. -
The point is - the others could be good at the high post (even if not as good as her) but better than her at all other facets of offense and just much better on defense, so if that were the case, why would she play if UCONN's offense still runs well with or without her?

The point is that "adequate defensively" might not be enough. I agree though - it is way too unknown for now. I indicated on my 1st post that she needs to be better. No way am I suggesting she can't. Looking forward big time to see.

Offensively: (Potentially a player wouldn't need to be better in all of these to get more minutes than AD if they are much better than AD defensively, along with if she doesn't do other things such as)

If she can't low post well while others can she is at a deficit in this area vs that other player.

If she can't create off the dribble (drive-and-score/ drive-and-dish) while others can she is at a deficit in this area vs that other player.

If she can't offensive rebound while others can she is at a deficit in this area vs that other player..

If she doesn't get down the court well offensively to be a part of fast-pace transition (if she is not a center then some teams are going to potentially pull her outside more to defend) basketball then she is at a deficit vs that other player.
I just don't think we can make judgements when we have such a small sample to judge from..........she did show a nice baby hook in one of her limited outings, something ONO unfortunately never developed ........let me ask you, do you consider Dorka a good defender? I'd call her adequate, not as effective as ONO yet she gets minutes because of the other things she can do on the court........unless a really solid post hits the transfer market, UConn is pretty much set up front once Dorka makes her decision.........if UConn doesn't get Cunningham, I don't think there's another big out there in next year's class that would be an upgrade (I don't consider Toomey a post) and the following year I'm only aware of one quality post player in Bianca Thomas......sure I'd love for UConn to get the next Aaliya Boston and other than possibly Cunningham there won't be another one available for quite some time.....
 

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A couple of things could hold her back IMHO (not speaking for the OP, just for myself). Amari does not seem to play with intensity or a sense of urgency. Even when she runs down the court, she seems to glide, moving slower than our other bigs. Granted, that may be her top speed so it's hard to tell but...

Geno has said she's not a good practice player at all. Her practices apparently are pretty bad. So if that does not change next year, I don't know that she will play. I've also noticed a decided lack of intensity especially on the defensive end. If you compare her defense to Dorka, Liv and Aaliyah, they have their arms up, are usually in motion, and they just "look" like they are putting in a lot of effort on defense. I don't see that with Amari.

Geno has also said she's one of the most skilled bigs he's gotten in a while. I believe the talent is there. I just think the effort and intensity needs to ramp up. But that's just my couch potato coaching eyes. Geno sees much better than I do of course!
Eric, you may have something here. You've heard Geno say many times that one thing they DON'T teach at UConn is EFFORT. Geno and staff had to know Amari wasn't a good practice player when they recruited her. They saw her play, and they no doubt talked to her HS and AAU coaches on several occasions. They had to see something in her that they wanted to coach and have her be part of their program.
I'm sure Amari didn't become a "less than enthusiastic" player in practice overnight. We'll see if things change between now and November. Lots of things can happen in 9 months. :rolleyes:
 
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She should have already figured that out. Remember what the Wizard of Westwood, John Wooden use to say: "The bench is an excellent teacher." She's being coached and mentored everyday by her position coach. She knows. ONO is gone after this year. Amari will be in demand next year, and hopefully will be in the right frame of mind and body to fill that role.

ONO started as a freshman if you remember, out of necessity. Geno had no options. in the 2018-2019 season. The next tallest players on the team then were 6'2" junior Kyla Irwin and 6'3" senior Katie Lou Samuelsson, neither of whom were post players. Geno HAD to play ONO. If you remember ONO committed in the 11th of her senior year in HS hour AFTER Charlie Collier reneged on her oral commitment to UConn, and decided to go to Texas. Thank goodness for ONO. UConn would have been in dire straights if ONO had decided to go else where.

Things would work out perfectly IF DeBerry is able to play the 5 next year, but this time Geno does have other options if DeBerry can't answer that call. He's got Juhasz (if she returns), Incoming freshman Ayanna Patterson (I know that's a reach, but she is an option). She's listed at 6'2. , but she's super athletic.

Don't forget, Aneesah Morrow (DePaul) is only 6-1, and she's doing ok. She's got a string of 20 double-doubles going, and is leading the nation in rebounding. Then there's Piath Gabriel. Right now she doesn't appear to be ready, but neither was ONO when Geno threw her in the mix. She learned as she went along. Last but not least you've got incoming freshman Ice Brady listed at 6-4. Regardless of her state of readiness, she is an option.

DeBerry may not be a good practice player, but at least she's been in the system long enough to have an idea of what she's suppose to do. Perhaps she will made a sophomore leap great enough to pass muster and start. Geno has options THIS year. That's one reason why she's not playing. He has the luxury of allowing her to sit for a year and learn the system. There's also the possibility that Geno is able to pick up a post player from the portal. I know it's a "distant" possibility, but there's a chance. If one wants to come here like Juhasz did for the right reasons, Geno may well consider taking her.

I don't have a preference. I'm NOT advocating for one player over another. I'll take what comes. I'm a fan, not a coach. That's Geno's job. In Geno I trust. When UConn plays their first exhibition game in November 9 months from now, he's going to put his best 5 players on the floor. Whether Amari is one of them remains to be seen.
Two bolded areas I'm responding to: 1st) AD has three areas that need a lot of improvement. She needs serious strength gains in both her upper and lower body. I'm not sure how much can be done about her lack of short area quickness but stronger legs would certainly help. Part of the problem is that she plays high and too upright. A start would be to get some serious instruction on how to bend her knees to play lower with leverage to hold and create positioning for herself. And use it to maintain space around the lane so people can't get up under her and jam her up or spin by her. And last of the three, she needs to learn how to handle contact at both ends without fouling. And all this should preferably take place before she gets back to campus in the fall. Her commitment to work and improve will be tested. We'll see what changes are made.
2nd bolded) I don't believe ONO and Collier were an either/or situation. I think GA knew he needed at least two bigs and was seriously recruiting both. He obviously could/would have used both and probably communicated that to them.
 

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I just don't think we can make judgements when we have such a small sample to judge from..........she did show a nice baby hook in one of her limited outings, something ONO unfortunately never developed ........let me ask you, do you consider Dorka a good defender? I'd call her adequate, not as effective as ONO yet she gets minutes because of the other things she can do on the court........unless a really solid post hits the transfer market, UConn is pretty much set up front once Dorka makes her decision.........if UConn doesn't get Cunningham, I don't think there's another big out there in next year's class that would be an upgrade (I don't consider Toomey a post) and the following year I'm only aware of one quality post player in Bianca Thomas......sure I'd love for UConn to get the next Aaliya Boston and other than possibly Cunningham there won't be another one available for quite some time.....
I was thinking the same thing. I haven't seen enough of her to really make a fair assessment of her abilities. Like (FOX sports analyst and co-host of the morning sports TV talk show "Undisputed") Skip Bayless often says........."I need to see more." It's hard to form a take on a player when the only time you see her in in garbage time against other subs. :confused:

Players want to play. Many of us surmised that's why Mir and Saylor left. You know she wants to play, and does not like watching games from the bench. I'm sure she's fully aware of what it will take to get off the bench and in to more games. We'll see how bad she wants to play this winter. Who knows, perhaps she will have an epiphany or a wake up call of some kind between now than then. Perhaps of of the upperclassmen will pull her aside and "enlighten" her. Keep hope alive. :)
 
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I just don't think we can make judgements when we have such a small sample to judge from..........she did show a nice baby hook in one of her limited outings, something ONO unfortunately never developed ........let me ask you, do you consider Dorka a good defender? I'd call her adequate, not as effective as ONO yet she gets minutes because of the other things she can do on the court........unless a really solid post hits the transfer market, UConn is pretty much set up front once Dorka makes her decision.........if UConn doesn't get Cunningham, I don't think there's another big out there in next year's class that would be an upgrade (I don't consider Toomey a post) and the following year I'm only aware of one quality post player in Bianca Thomas......sure I'd love for UConn to get the next Aaliya Boston and other than possibly Cunningham there won't be another one available for quite some time.....
I agree. She and ONO will leave their feet on almost every up fake on the perimeter of the lane creating space for the offensive player to go by them.
 

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Two bolded areas I'm responding to: 1st) AD has three areas that need a lot of improvement. She needs serious strength gains in both her upper and lower body. I'm not sure how much can be done about her lack of short area quickness but stronger legs would certainly help. Part of the problem is that she plays high and too upright. A start would be to get some serious instruction on how to bend her knees to play lower with leverage to hold and create positioning for herself. And use it to maintain space around the lane so people can't get up under her and jam her up or spin by her. And last of the three, she needs to learn how to handle contact at both ends without fouling. And all this should preferably take place before she gets back to campus in the fall. Her commitment to work and improve will be tested. We'll see what changes are made.
2nd bolded) I don't believe ONO and Collier were an either/or situation. I think GA knew he needed at least two bigs and was seriously recruiting both. He obviously could/would have used both and probably communicated that to them.
I agree with the entirety of your take. She needs lots of work over the summer. You're right. Geno was recruiting both ONO and Collier, but if you remember ONO was very hush hush on her recruiting status (mindset) during her that time. She committed in the 11th hour only AFTER Collier de-committed to go to Texas. She may have come to UConn anyway. We'll never know. She never put her business on any social media platforms for public consumption.
 
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I agree with the entirety of your take. She needs lots of work over the summer. You're right. Geno was recruiting both ONO and Collier, but if you remember ONO was very hush hush on her recruiting status (mindset) during her that time. She committed in the 11th hour only AFTER Collier de-committed to go to Texas. She may have come to UConn anyway. We'll never know. She never put her business on any social media platforms for public consumption.
In that same class, C. Williams said nothing publicly until signing day either. Or Megan Walker the previous year for that matter.
 
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I just don't think we can make judgements when we have such a small sample to judge from..........she did show a nice baby hook in one of her limited outings, something ONO unfortunately never developed ........let me ask you, do you consider Dorka a good defender? I'd call her adequate, not as effective as ONO yet she gets minutes because of the other things she can do on the court........unless a really solid post hits the transfer market, UConn is pretty much set up front once Dorka makes her decision.........if UConn doesn't get Cunningham, I don't think there's another big out there in next year's class that would be an upgrade (I don't consider Toomey a post) and the following year I'm only aware of one quality post player in Bianca Thomas......sure I'd love for UConn to get the next Aaliya Boston and other than possibly Cunningham there won't be another one available for quite some time.....
I'm not making judgements. I have said/implied "if all she is is a High Post Player" throughout then she'll struggle for minutes. I said/implied that she just can't be "high post." Please- make no mistake I am not writing her off. Frankly, I love offense. But I just think in order for her to get minutes she needs more than High Post in the future.

Good point about Dorka but she is an upperclassman. As a freshman or sophomore unless she showed something she would have been on the bench if there was competition. But Dorka does the run the floor better. Dorka does low post better. And Dorka does offensive rebound better. AND Dorka does handle the ball better. If she showed these things as a forsh and sophomore she would've played for UCONN these past two years (19-20 and 20-21) and as a frosh or soph probably be ahead of AD--- if she showed these things.
 
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What I like about next season's roster is the depth up front. Lots of unknowns about most of them. But a lot better than having a 5'11" center and a 6'1" pf.

Edwards and Juhasz are the most experienced and either or both will likely start. Gabriel, Deberry, Brady & Patterson all show tremendous potential and the competition among them should result in a couple of more-than-capable post players.
But UConn will be a guard-driven team next year and the posts who compliment the guards the best will have an edge.
 
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I agree with the entirety of your take. She needs lots of work over the summer. You're right. Geno was recruiting both ONO and Collier, but if you remember ONO was very hush hush on her recruiting status (mindset) during her that time. She committed in the 11th hour only AFTER Collier de-committed to go to Texas. She may have come to UConn anyway. We'll never know. She never put her business on any social media platforms for public consumption.
Why did Charlie Collier de-commit?
 
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I think Amari might turn out to be more like a Katie Lou rather than just a big. She has a sweet shot and is a good passer. She will get more strength and speed next year and probably a lot more PT.
A couple of things could hold her back IMHO (not speaking for the OP, just for myself). Amari does not seem to play with intensity or a sense of urgency. Even when she runs down the court, she seems to glide, moving slower than our other bigs. Granted, that may be her top speed so it's hard to tell but...

Geno has said she's not a good practice player at all. Her practices apparently are pretty bad. So if that does not change next year, I don't know that she will play. I've also noticed a decided lack of intensity especially on the defensive end. If you compare her defense to Dorka, Liv and Aaliyah, they have their arms up, are usually in motion, and they just "look" like they are putting in a lot of effort on defense. I don't see that with Amari.

Geno has also said she's one of the most skilled bigs he's gotten in a while. I believe the talent is there. I just think the effort and intensity needs to ramp up. But that's just my couch potato coaching eyes. Geno sees much better than I do of course!
 
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I agree. She and ONO will leave their feet on almost every up fake on the perimeter of the lane creating space for the offensive player to go by them.
that's one of the few advantages of not being a good jumper...........:rolleyes:
 

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Why did Charlie Collier de-commit?
The word we (the boneyard ) got was that because her father had recently passed, and (she was from Texas) she wanted to stay closer to home because of a major hurricane had recently come near her home town of Belvieu, TX, About 30-35 miles from the shoreline of the gulf.
 
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Eric, you may have something here. You've heard Geno say many times that one thing they DON'T teach at UConn is EFFORT. Geno and staff had to know Amari wasn't a good practice player when they recruited her. They saw her play, and they no doubt talked to her HS and AAU coaches on several occasions. They had to see something in her that they wanted to coach and have her be part of their program.
I'm sure Amari didn't become a "less than enthusiastic" player in practice overnight. We'll see if things change between now and November. Lots of things can happen in 9 months. :rolleyes:
some people are just naturally "laid back"..........nothing seems to phase them good or bad.......perhaps that's just the way she's wired........as long as she gives 100% effort on the court I don't care if she yawns in practice waiting for the next layup line...............;)
 
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The word we (the boneyard ) got was that because her father had recently passed, and (she was from Texas) she wanted to stay closer to home because of a major hurricane had recently come near her home town of Belvieu, TX, About 30-35 miles from the shoreline of the gulf.
that and the possible continued recruiting on the part of the Texas coach...............;)
 
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I think Amari might turn out to be more like a Katie Lou rather than just a big. She has a sweet shot and is a good passer. She will get more strength and speed next year and probably a lot more PT.
Katie Lou was a lot like Amari when Katie Lou was a freshmen is what im baseing my comment on. She was just a player looking for a spot to shoot the 3 till Geno challenged her. I think Amari will get that sense of urgency. Shes only a freshmen.
 
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UCONN was better than SC last year. Not sure how anyone can say Dawn is better just because this year she is number 1 so far. If UCONN gets to more final fours and has more championships how is it that there chemistry is not superior to SC's? Are you suggesting because more people stay on a team they are better? Because we can agree that UCONN beat SC last year and as a result was better, right? OS after 1 year Dawn gets the award?
maybe I did not express my thoughts well, I was not saying SC was a better team than UConn this year or last year, I was trying to say SC provides more game time for her talented bench players than UConn does. Some coaches stress playing time for a group of players because they feel team chemistry is enhanced if a limited number of players get most of the game time, I agree player to player chemistry is enhanced by actual game time but player development suffers for any player not included in the game group. The lack of playing time is certainly a reason for very talented players transferring thus affecting the performance of future teams. Lack of game ready reserves is especially critical with illness or injuries. From the games that I have watched it appears to me SC really makes an effort to provide game time for it reserves, some times it is difficult to know which of SC players are starters and which are reserves because the reserves see playing time during critical close games. As for the top team this year, from what I have seen, I believe SC and Stanford are most likely to be N.C.
 
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maybe I did not express my thoughts well, I was not saying SC was a better team than UConn this year or last year, I was trying to say SC provides more game time for her talented bench players than UConn does. Some coaches stress playing time for a group of players because they feel team chemistry is enhanced if a limited number of players get most of the game time, I agree player to player chemistry is enhanced by actual game time but player development suffers for any player not included in the game group. The lack of playing time is certainly a reason for very talented players transferring thus affecting the performance of future teams. Lack of game ready reserves is especially critical with illness or injuries. From the games that I have watched it appears to me SC really makes an effort to provide game time for it reserves, some times it is difficult to know which of SC players are starters and which are reserves because the reserves see playing time during critical close games. As for the top team this year, from what I have seen, I believe SC and Stanford are most likely to be N.C.


Against MD SCar played 6 players. Four others totalled 17 minutes, or 4 minutes each.
Dawn used 6 players against Stanford in the title game last year. What happened to all those bench players?

There is a meme that UConn plays their starters all the time while other coaches play 9 or 10 and that's just not true. While Dawn uses her bench a lot against the bottom feeders in the SEC, if you look at the big games you see that like most top teams, the bench shortens extensively.

Question: Are all these coaches playing 9 or 10 as a strategy or did they promise minutes as a recruiting tactic? :rolleyes:
 
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maybe I did not express my thoughts well, I was not saying SC was a better team than UConn this year or last year, I was trying to say SC provides more game time for her talented bench players than UConn does. Some coaches stress playing time for a group of players because they feel team chemistry is enhanced if a limited number of players get most of the game time, I agree player to player chemistry is enhanced by actual game time but player development suffers for any player not included in the game group. The lack of playing time is certainly a reason for very talented players transferring thus affecting the performance of future teams. Lack of game ready reserves is especially critical with illness or injuries. From the games that I have watched it appears to me SC really makes an effort to provide game time for it reserves, some times it is difficult to know which of SC players are starters and which are reserves because the reserves see playing time during critical close games. As for the top team this year, from what I have seen, I believe SC and Stanford are most likely to be N.C.
Like your post. Thanks!!

I just want to say though I'd be interested to see when Dawn gets three number 1 ranked recruits (Paige, CWill, Azzi) and a number 2 ranked recruit (Evina) in which they can be stretched to play 1-4 positions, how many minutes she would be sharing with other players while taking away form these 4 vs what Geno does?

And low post players tend to need more rest.
 
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Amari, like Liv early on, is still a work in progress. I’m confident that she’ll eventually become a solid contributor just like Liv did, but her ceiling might be even higher.

Liv's numbers haven't changed at all in four years.
 
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Liv's numbers haven't changed at all in four years.
Her jump from her first year to second year is what I’m referencing. Since then (to now), she’s become a much better defender, increased her FG% & FT%, assist #s and her overall impact on this team is undeniable.
 
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Amari, like Liv early on, is still a work in progress. I’m confident that she’ll eventually become a solid contributor just like Liv did, but her ceiling might be even higher.
Agree that Amari will be a solid contributor but hard to compare her to ONO. Oliva is one of the top 5-6 shot blockers in UConn women's basketball history and while she has a tendency to swat down and foul on shots, she has been a strong defender, shot blocker, and rebounder since her frosh year. All we know so far about Amari is she has a nice (very nice) jump shot. Amari will find it difficult to gain minutes until she can prove she can do the dirty work as well as score.
 

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