Future Nonconference Opponents

[Hans Sprungfeld]

You've drawn this conclusion from Hurley based on what exactly? What are the facts backing up this conclusion?

Just look at the record:
An initial season conceived as a crisis intervention.
A second season that included playing the #10 ranked team on January 22nd.
A worldwide pandemic-affected third season that coincided with entry into a new conference.
A couple-to-few posters Liking and agreeing with each others' comments, and offering proper nouns of their own invention.

Can't you see the patterns that support the conclusions? It's not quite IRAC, but any reasonable person wouldn't fail to see the inarguable truth of the assertions they've made.

 

[Waquoit]

To say, "Calhoun never did that BS" is BS. Nobody, not even Boeheim, loved cupcakes more than JC. Let's pick a season, say 2005-6. That team played 4 OOC games against teams ranked higher than 300. They finished calendar year 2005 with the lowest SoS in the country. That prep served them well in the Big Dance.

 

[MDHuskFan]

To say, "Calhoun never did that BS" is BS. Nobody, not even Boeheim, loved cupcakes more than JC. Let's pick a season, say 2005-6. That team played 4 OOC games against teams ranked higher than 300. They finished calendar year 2005 with the lowest SoS in the country. That prep served them well in the Big Dance.

Quit using facts to argue. This is the BY for gods sake

 

[Psolo12]

Just look at the record:
An initial season conceived as a crisis intervention.
A second season that included playing the #10 ranked team on January 22nd.
A worldwide pandemic-affected third season that coincided with entry into a new conference.
A couple-to-few posters Liking and agreeing with each others' comments, and offering proper nouns of their own invention.

Can't you see the patterns that support the conclusions? It's not quite IRAC, but any reasonable person wouldn't fail to see the inarguable truth of the assertions they've made.

There is only one conclusion a rational human being can draw from this, Dan Hurley is a coward.

 

[Psolo12]

Don't feed him....

I really try not to...

 

[Chief00]

I would want to see Cuse regularly, hopefully some more ACC teams every year

I think Cuse will most likely be either at MSG or Brooklyn.

 

[temery]

Not gonna lie, I sorta miss playing American International as a exhibition to start the season. JC’s alma mater

His coach managed a tennis club where I used to work. He compared Calhoun to a trapped animal that would naw its own leg off to get free, then go about its business as if nothing happened.

 

[Chief00]

Just look at the record:
An initial season conceived as a crisis intervention.
A second season that included playing the #10 ranked team on January 22nd.
A worldwide pandemic-affected third season that coincided with entry into a new conference.
A couple-to-few posters Liking and agreeing with each others' comments, and offering proper nouns of their own invention.

Can't you see the patterns that support the conclusions? It's not quite IRAC, but any reasonable person wouldn't fail to see the inarguable truth of the assertions they've made.

Danny said he had his assistants studying Big East rosters to determine if the conference teams could get them into the tournament due to strength of schedule. Remember that 4 game series against UNC and 2 game H/H against UT, MSU and KU, etc? Danny doesn’t have any of that baked into future schedules - has nothing to do with Covid. He hasn’t made that commitment when basically they almost double ticket prices under his tenure - Covid didn’t prevent that! LOL

 

[Chief00]

His coach managed a tennis club where I used to work. He compared Calhoun to a trapped animal that would naw its own leg off to get free, then go about it's business as if nothing happened.

That’s a great story about a great guy.

 

[Waquoit]

Calhoun's template was an early tournament, a home and home against a big name for TV and the occasional neutral-site game. The rest of the OOC slate was from the bottle of the barrel. He steered clear of any decent mid-major after the Bonnies game. And even this only happened after they got good. In his 4th year he didn't sniff a ranked team OOC until the dance. JC scheduled for success with the best of them.

 

[Chief00]

He would play two elite teams H/H each year - one home - the other away.
The Big East had some studs during some of those years. Also went to some big time early season tournaments. Also had an occasional game at MSG. Remember playing Gonzaga in Boston too.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

He would play two elite teams H/H each year - one home - the other away.
The Big East had some studs during some of those years. Also went to some big time early season tournaments. Also had an occasional game at MSG. Remember playing Gonzaga in Boston too.

While the beloved casual Chief reader might imagine that the response above rebuts what I previously wrote, I offer that I of course remember the various multi-year H-H series and such that you have referenced. I also know when they occurred in Jim Calhoun's UConn basketball time line.

The first mid-January high major OOC game was not scheduled in the first 3 (or even 4) years of the Calhoun Era.

In fact, not until the third season after 1990's Dream Season was a mid-January game against #12 Florida State show up. That was JC's 6th season.

There was no comparable game in Donyell Marshall's final season. The following year, #7 Kansas crushed UConn in a mid-season game. Calhoun's 8th season at UConn, after decent success at Northeastern. Let's leave it there.

I maintain that it's a tendency toward unsustainable overreach that fails you more than anything else; it dilutes the value you sometimes otherwise add.

 

[TRest]

He would play two elite teams H/H each year - one home - the other away.
The Big East had some studs during some of those years. Also went to some big time early season tournaments. Also had an occasional game at MSG. Remember playing Gonzaga in Boston too.

Elite teams schedule other elite teams for home and homes. We’re still climbing our way back.

 

[bendm]

The following year, #7 Kansas crushed UConn in a mid-season game. Calhoun's 8th season at UConn

i think in Hurley's 4th year the program will be back to the level it was during calhoun's 8th year, maybe?? they went from the NIT in 92-93 to the sweet 16 in 93-94 (were also BE regular season champs and ranked in the top 10). it was straight to the top after that.

now that we are back in the BE and recruiting well again we are building momentum and on the precipice of another breakthrough.

 

[freescooter]

Quit using facts to argue. This is the BY for gods sake

LOL. I know that nobody is willing to argue facts. As much as I try the response is ”but MSG”.

 

[bendm]

LOL. I know that nobody is willing to argue facts. As much as I try the response is ”but MSG”.

ok, once and for all- give us 1 fact that tends to demonstrate the aac is and has been a better bball conference than the BE. and just to be clear your subjective delusions dont equate to facts.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

LOL. I know that nobody is willing to argue facts. As much as I try the response is ”but MSG”.

 

[Guapo]

LOL. I know that nobody is willing to argue facts. As much as I try the response is ”but MSG”.

Yeah that’s not true. You never engage with the fact that the Big East has consistently been ranked between the second and 5th best college basketball conference.

it’s not like UConn is choosing to not be in the ACC or Big 10. The choice is between the Big East and the AAC and the correct choice is clear.

get your facts and come back and see me.

you idiot, you absolute fool.

 

[Chief00]

While the beloved casual Chief reader might imagine that the response above rebuts what I previously wrote, I offer that I of course remember the various multi-year H-H series and such that you have referenced. I also know when they occurred in Jim Calhoun's UConn basketball time line.

The first mid-January high major OOC game was not scheduled in the first 3 (or even 4) years of the Calhoun Era.

In fact, not until the third season after 1990's Dream Season was a mid-January game against #12 Florida State show up. That was JC's 6th season.

There was no comparable game in Donyell Marshall's final season. The following year, #7 Kansas crushed UConn in a mid-season game. Calhoun's 8th season at UConn, after decent success at Northeastern. Let's leave it there.

I maintain that it's a tendency toward unsustainable overreach that fails you more than anything else; it dilutes the value you sometimes otherwise add.

The dude coached 26 years, inherited a Yankee Conference caliber team plus Cliff, playing in the Big East conference at its prime - so you are comparing that to when Hurley walked in the door - 4 years removed from a National Championship and 4 NC’s in 20 years?
Danny has Gampel and a relatively new practice facility while Jimmy had the Field House and Guyer gym.

You are shying away my friend from the last nearly 2 decades he coached. let’s not go backwards 25 years as you seem to be implying we do. Let’s built on what Jimmy built.

 

[freescooter]

Calhoun's template was an early tournament, a home and home against a big name for TV and the occasional neutral-site game. The rest of the OOC slate was from the bottle of the barrel. He steered clear of any decent mid-major after the Bonnies game. And even this only happened after they got good. In his 4th year he didn't sniff a ranked team OOC until the dance. JC scheduled for success with the best of them.

But we ain’t in the Big East anymore. We’re in the New Big East. Big difference. Huge! You knew winning in the Big East would get you into the Tournament. Didn’t have to “evaluate rosters” of the other teams. In the New Big East, well that’s what Hurley is doing apparently.

The other thing is that UConn is in a different place in the basketball universe than it was in Calhoun‘s 4th year. He was brining it from being a mid-major in a Power league. Now we are a former power trying to re-establish our rep in a borderline major conference. Big difference when you play in a league where 3-4 teams have a legitimate shot at the NCAA championship every year and one where there is only 1. Of course 2 have a legitimate shot of making it to the round of 32, which is something I guess...

 

[Waquoit]

The dude coached 26 years, inherited a Yankee Conference caliber team plus Cliff,

JC inherited 2 NBA players, including a first round draft pick. No such luck for Hurley.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

The dude coached 26 years, inherited a Yankee Conference caliber team plus Cliff, playing in the Big East conference at its prime - so you are comparing that to when Hurley walked in the door - 4 years removed from a National Championship and 4 NC’s in 20 years?
Danny has Gampel and a relatively new practice facility while Jimmy had the Field House and Guyer gym.

You are shying away my friend from the last nearly 2 decades he coached. let’s not go backwards 25 years as you seem to be implying we do. Let’s built on what Jimmy built.

No "build from nothing" job surpasses that of Jim Calhoun's. Ever. Not relevant to raise that in this thread. I'm hopeful that you are not too dumb to think (or think I think) otherwise, but I thought it would help to mention it just in case.

I slowly walked you through your prior argument and exposed it as a sham. The easiest thing for me to do is not dispute anything you wrote about JC and assert that your post above simply strengthens my previous one.

Just like @freescooter's post below yours, you are projecting out from a single COVID-affected season, as though it is evidence of a troublesome pattern. Your sample size and its particulars are a farce.

You could conceivably prove out to be right in the years ahead, but at this point you have neither the honesty, sanity, or goods enough to be taken seriously or believed. I do not care which of those 3 applies to either you or Free, but I do think that criticism of you and him as 'bad energy' trolls in this case probably reflects on you best, because it just slurs you as an intentional jerk.

 

[Chief00]

JC inherited 2 NBA players, including a first round draft pick. No such luck for Hurley.

Who was the other one besides Cliff?
It’s amazing how some here minimize what Jim Calhoun accomplished.

 

[TIP-IN]

OK, back to the topic !
I think we need to make sure we maintain traditional rivalries.
That means the “fruit” up there in the far Arctic for a home and home.
Plus, I can hear the cringes now, BC !

 

[freescooter]

JC inherited 2 NBA players, including a first round draft pick. No such luck for Hurley.

Yeah. That’s why they had such a great season. Oh wait. They were 9-19; 3-13. Tate was a freshman, so Calhoun likely recruited him. Clif was a sophomore who had definite potential but wasn’t exactly in any danger of leaving early to go to the NCAA.

 

[freescooter]

Yeah that’s not true. You never engage with the fact that the Big East has consistently been ranked between the second and 5th best college basketball conference.

it’s not like UConn is choosing to not be in the ACC or Big 10. The choice is between the Big East and the AAC and the correct choice is clear.

get your facts and come back and see me.

you idiot, you absolute fool.

I look at results, not computer programs. And based on results, one team greatly increases the New Big East’s stature. Villanova. They have won or shared every New Big East Regular season title, mostly winning outright. They have played in the New Big East tournament final 5 out of 7 years. For all the bids this “power“ league gets, other than Villanova, exactly 2 teams played past the first weekend. Until this year and Creighton it was 1. Is it better than the AAC? Probably marginally. Better at the top, Villanova, and fewer bottom feeders, but then again, DePaul can hold its own with any awful team in the country. Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns and the rest are mid level programs with limited potential.

 

[UCSouth]

I look at results, not computer programs. And based on results, one team greatly increases the New Big East’s stature. Villanova. They have won or shared every New Big East Regular season title, mostly winning outright. They have played in the New Big East tournament final 5 out of 7 years. For all the bids this “power“ league gets, other than Villanova, exactly 2 teams played past the first weekend. Until this year and Creighton it was 1. Is it better than the AAC? Probably marginally. Better at the top, Villanova, and fewer bottom feeders, but then again, DePaul can hold its own with any awful team in the country. Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns and the rest are mid level programs with limited potential.

How is it that you can be 2 distinctly different posters between the Football and MBB Boards?

 

[Ha Who]

How did this turn into the NBE/OBE thread? Tiresome

 

[HooperScooper]

How did this turn into the NBE/OBE thread? Tiresome

Because we have one poster on this board who never passes on the chance to tell us all how much the "New" Big East sucks. No matter what the topic of the thread.

 

[ConnEd]

My understanding is most of those games were part of a CBS national schedule where we would get a few high profile OOC games through our tv contracts with the BE.

I think those games did a lot for the program. Playing "big name" OOC opponents later in the year with national TV coverage on the weekend provided a lot of exposure for the program across the country, brought a lot of excitement for the fan base, and got national recruits to take us seriously. It also prepped the team for the tournaments ahead by playing in front of big, rabid, sometime unfriendly crowds. Win or lose, the program benefitted from playing those games. As our profile rises again, I hope we will be able to schedule similar kinds of games with the same kind of media focus on them.