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Furman Postgame Thread

RuffRuff said:
The evals the last couple years have been highly questionable. It's been my major "concern". Hurley has gone over the deep end with one specific profile, overloading to think his system can work it, when reality is opponents adapt and you make yourself very prone to what we've seen this year.

There is something to be said about balance and breaking the will of the opponent - it's hard to do that with only three point shots.
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I think Hurley has cashed a good amount of his chips in on this junior class the last couple of years. A junior year solo Ball leap solves a lot of these issues we are having. Instead he has regressed.

I trust Hurley to make the necessary adjustments. He’s done it before.
 
KingAG said:
I think Hurley has cashed a good amount of his chips in on this junior class the last couple of years. A junior year solo Ball leap solves a lot of these issues we are having. Instead he has regressed.

I trust Hurley to make the necessary adjustments. He’s done it before.
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The junior class & overindexing on shooting. Portal recruitment is going to be a really interesting watch this year. Loyalty over upgrading is going to be a watch.
 
KingAG said:
He won’t have to play back up. He’s 6’5. Play him next to Silas like Tristen had Cam and Steph
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He's a freshman so he should improve a lot.

On the other hand, he is noted in the Southern conference as being a turnover machine.

And he shoots 31% from 3.

One might look at a player like Tom House and say, sharpshooting heady guard, let's get him. But he never found time to play at Florida St.

I think we are overrating people based on one game, the same way we did with Mahaney.
 
RuffRuff said:
The evals the last couple years have been highly questionable. It's been my major "concern". Hurley has gone over the deep end with one specific profile, overloading to think his system can work it, when reality is opponents adapt and you make yourself very prone to what we've seen this year.

There is something to be said about balance and breaking the will of the opponent - it's hard to do that with only three point shots.
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If this is his system, he should keep to it, because he's a top level coach and it has worked for him before.

BUT, there's no use in criticizing a system that prioritizes shooters when the shooters can't shoot well.

It makes no sense. There may very well be no problem with the system at all.

When the players shoot as expected, they beat Florida, Texas, St. John's, Illinois and Kansas. When they can't shoot well, they lose to St. John's, Creighton and Marquette.

So it's not the system.

It's the consistency of the shooters.
 
upstater said:
He's a freshman so he should improve a lot.

On the other hand, he is noted in the Southern conference as being a turnover machine.

And he shoots 31% from 3.

One might look at a player like Tom House and say, sharpshooting heady guard, let's get him. But he never found time to play at Florida St.

I think we are overrating people based on one game, the same way we did with Mahaney.
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Such different profiles - sophomore Mahaney was a slight, unathletic, small high volume off the ball guard playing in a glacial offense being converted into a PG. This would be a 6'5" frosh who has more all around skills.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Such different profiles - sophomore Mahaney was a slight, unathletic, small high volume off the ball guard playing in a glacial offense being converted into a PG. This would be a 6'5" frosh who has more all around skills.
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I wasn't comparing them physically at all.
 
KingAG said:
It won’t be reduced. Let Silas keep playing facilitator. This kid would play the Cam Spencer role. His job would be to get buckets and be the secondary play maker. His usage is going to go down no matter where he goes. Because he’s going to be playing with better players.
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You just said it, his usage will go down no matter where he goes, thus a reduced role. I am not saying it wouldn't be an important role. Maybe this is just semantics, tomato tomatoe. He is a ball dominant player at Furman and that would change if he was playing anywhere at a high major school, but especially at UConn considering their offensive scheme. If the staff thinks they can get him to accept that change and think he can make a smooth transition into that Cam Spencer role then I am all for getting him. Silas can be primary the facilitator while Wilkins could be the secondary facilitator.

This conversation goes with Stefan Vaaks. Vaaks has some really good skills and can create, but if UConn decides to get him he cannot operate with a total green light like he did at Providence shooting 25+ footers with disregard.
 
gsmooth said:
You just said it, his usage will go down no matter where he goes, thus a reduced role. I am not saying it wouldn't be an important role. Maybe this is just semantics, tomato tomatoe. He is a ball dominant player at Furman and that would change if he was playing anywhere at a high major school, but especially at UConn considering their offensive scheme. If the staff thinks they can get him to accept that change and think he can make a smooth transition into that Cam Spencer role then I am all for getting him. Silas can be primary the facilitator while Wilkins could be the secondary facilitator.

This conversation goes with Stefan Vaaks. Vaaks has some really good skills and can create, but if UConn decides to get him he cannot operate with a total green light like he did at Providence shooting 25+ footers with disregard.
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I see your point. I just don’t equate less usage to a lesser role. The goal would be to just make him more efficient.
 
lateralous said:
If I’m about to invest a high pick in a guy with potential but still requires a lot of development, it would sure give me pause that he really didn’t seem to develop at all this year.
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THhs year doesn't matter to the NBA. What matters is then player's perceived ceiling.
 
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Trudy Gay said:
I know with injuries it’s up to the refs’ discretion when or if to stop play. I’m guessing it’s the same for shoes/other court interferences.
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If it is at the discretion of the ref then what's the difference with guys losing their shoes? Is one a more dangerous situation than another? Or just whatever the ref wants to call? I'm just curious why the ref stopped play there because I can't remember a ref stopping play for a lost shoe. Obviously the play had no bearing on the game, and I'm not insinuating it did.
 
On the positives:

1) Tarris played better than anyone since Walton at UCLA. 31-27 and granted against Furman, but that is a huge boost to us and his NBA future
2) We could not get a worse shooting night from our shooting guards from 3 as 1-14
3) vs UCLA Braylon will have his first NCAA tourney game under his belt
4) No one fouled out - Reibe only one with 4 fouls
5) We outrebounded them 44-23, largely because of 27 from Tarrs
6) AK finished well with 22 pts, 4/9 =44% on 3s
7) 2pt FG pct = 27/40 = 67.5%
8) 22 assts + 7 steals + 1 block vs 9 turnovers
9) Braylon 3rd leading scorer, 5-6 from 2pt shots for 12 pts with 2-2 FTs, 2 Reb, 6 assists to 1 TO. 3 Steals.
10) We won the game

On the negatives:
1) Reibe played 5 min, 4 fouls, 0 pts, 0 rebs
2) Braylon 0-8 on 3pt
3) Solo 1-6 on 3pt
4) Badly timed turnovers (9 total) stopped us from building momentum of double-digit leads most of the night
5) 3pt defense gave up 9 of 24 Furman shots for 38%.
6) Malachi outside of assists to turnovers (7-1) shot poorly, but at least we got 32 minutes with Silas out.
7) TBS not CBS

Forward looking
1) We shows 5-25 from 3... if we take 25 vs UCLA I would expect 8-9 to hit for +9-12 more points
2) In general Solo could not have a worse game
3) In 3pt shooting Braylon can hardly do worse than 0-8
4) We hope to get Silas back
5) We might get Jaylin back
6) We're due for a solid game from us.
 
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Trudy Gay said:
NBA teams don’t want you staying college. Lotto picks and high first rounders gain nothing staying college even if you’re getting a couple mill to do so. Sure if he drops to the second round maybe it’s a good idea to stay, but I don’t thinks that’s the case.
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Labaron Philon tested the waters after his freshman year when he was a borderline late first rounder and now he's projected to be lottery or high teens, this fake boneyard narrative that you can't improve your stock after your freshman year needs to die.
 
GHSWolverines said:
It wasn't. Didn't you see the expression on Hurley's face.
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What was it then? That's what I want to know and why they veered from the plan. The shot happened so fast that it couldn't have been that the reason was that the original plan wasn't there to execute.
 
aceboon said:
felt like they were running this literally every trip down the floor in the 2nd half


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I noticed that skip play too. It was very clear he borrowed a lot of stuff from us. Always a good thing.
 
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Hope I’m not speaking too soon, but I wasn’t overwhelmed by UCLA UCF wins the game if their normally reliable center finishes the inside hoops. UCF dominated the boards. UCLA was best on fast breaks, not so good in the halfcourt. They are mainly Dent and some springy front court bigs who dunk lobs. Tarris can have a big game again.

Two thoughts:
1. Can someone put together a tape of Creighton defensive possessions over the last several years so Reibe can study and learn from Kalkbrenner?
2. Also a tape of Solo Ball from last year so Solo Ball from this year can see the ball swish from 3 over and over and over?

I feel good, though certainly we may be DOOMED!
 
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