Furman Postgame Thread

[KingAG]

The evals the last couple years have been highly questionable. It's been my major "concern". Hurley has gone over the deep end with one specific profile, overloading to think his system can work it, when reality is opponents adapt and you make yourself very prone to what we've seen this year.

There is something to be said about balance and breaking the will of the opponent - it's hard to do that with only three point shots.

I think Hurley has cashed a good amount of his chips in on this junior class the last couple of years. A junior year solo Ball leap solves a lot of these issues we are having. Instead he has regressed.

I trust Hurley to make the necessary adjustments. He’s done it before.

 

[RuffRuff]

I think Hurley has cashed a good amount of his chips in on this junior class the last couple of years. A junior year solo Ball leap solves a lot of these issues we are having. Instead he has regressed.

I trust Hurley to make the necessary adjustments. He’s done it before.

The junior class & overindexing on shooting. Portal recruitment is going to be a really interesting watch this year. Loyalty over upgrading is going to be a watch.

 

[AdamaNation]

Agreed. The crowd was foaming at the mouth every time Furman did something. Never been so relieved to win a first round game.

Remember Albany?

 

[upstater]

He won’t have to play back up. He’s 6’5. Play him next to Silas like Tristen had Cam and Steph

He's a freshman so he should improve a lot.

On the other hand, he is noted in the Southern conference as being a turnover machine.

And he shoots 31% from 3.

One might look at a player like Tom House and say, sharpshooting heady guard, let's get him. But he never found time to play at Florida St.

I think we are overrating people based on one game, the same way we did with Mahaney.

 

[upstater]

The evals the last couple years have been highly questionable. It's been my major "concern". Hurley has gone over the deep end with one specific profile, overloading to think his system can work it, when reality is opponents adapt and you make yourself very prone to what we've seen this year.

There is something to be said about balance and breaking the will of the opponent - it's hard to do that with only three point shots.

If this is his system, he should keep to it, because he's a top level coach and it has worked for him before.

BUT, there's no use in criticizing a system that prioritizes shooters when the shooters can't shoot well.

It makes no sense. There may very well be no problem with the system at all.

When the players shoot as expected, they beat Florida, Texas, St. John's, Illinois and Kansas. When they can't shoot well, they lose to St. John's, Creighton and Marquette.

So it's not the system.

It's the consistency of the shooters.

 

[RuffRuff]

He's a freshman so he should improve a lot.

On the other hand, he is noted in the Southern conference as being a turnover machine.

And he shoots 31% from 3.

One might look at a player like Tom House and say, sharpshooting heady guard, let's get him. But he never found time to play at Florida St.

I think we are overrating people based on one game, the same way we did with Mahaney.

Such different profiles - sophomore Mahaney was a slight, unathletic, small high volume off the ball guard playing in a glacial offense being converted into a PG. This would be a 6'5" frosh who has more all around skills.

 

[wvhuskyfan]

No

If we don’t have Reed we might have lost. He saved us. Outstanding performance by Reed. The rest of the team needs to figure it out quickly

No "might" about it

 

[upstater]

Such different profiles - sophomore Mahaney was a slight, unathletic, small high volume off the ball guard playing in a glacial offense being converted into a PG. This would be a 6'5" frosh who has more all around skills.

I wasn't comparing them physically at all.

 

[RuffRuff]

I wasn't comparing them physically at all.

These things matter - you could see at the open gym in August Mahaney didn’t fit as a physical profile.

 

[gsmooth]

It won’t be reduced. Let Silas keep playing facilitator. This kid would play the Cam Spencer role. His job would be to get buckets and be the secondary play maker. His usage is going to go down no matter where he goes. Because he’s going to be playing with better players.

You just said it, his usage will go down no matter where he goes, thus a reduced role. I am not saying it wouldn't be an important role. Maybe this is just semantics, tomato tomatoe. He is a ball dominant player at Furman and that would change if he was playing anywhere at a high major school, but especially at UConn considering their offensive scheme. If the staff thinks they can get him to accept that change and think he can make a smooth transition into that Cam Spencer role then I am all for getting him. Silas can be primary the facilitator while Wilkins could be the secondary facilitator.

This conversation goes with Stefan Vaaks. Vaaks has some really good skills and can create, but if UConn decides to get him he cannot operate with a total green light like he did at Providence shooting 25+ footers with disregard.

 

[KingAG]

You just said it, his usage will go down no matter where he goes, thus a reduced role. I am not saying it wouldn't be an important role. Maybe this is just semantics, tomato tomatoe. He is a ball dominant player at Furman and that would change if he was playing anywhere at a high major school, but especially at UConn considering their offensive scheme. If the staff thinks they can get him to accept that change and think he can make a smooth transition into that Cam Spencer role then I am all for getting him. Silas can be primary the facilitator while Wilkins could be the secondary facilitator.

This conversation goes with Stefan Vaaks. Vaaks has some really good skills and can create, but if UConn decides to get him he cannot operate with a total green light like he did at Providence shooting 25+ footers with disregard.

I see your point. I just don’t equate less usage to a lesser role. The goal would be to just make him more efficient.

 

[Palatine]

If I’m about to invest a high pick in a guy with potential but still requires a lot of development, it would sure give me pause that he really didn’t seem to develop at all this year.

THhs year doesn't matter to the NBA. What matters is then player's perceived ceiling.

 

[HooperScooper]

I know with injuries it’s up to the refs’ discretion when or if to stop play. I’m guessing it’s the same for shoes/other court interferences.

I guess but what's the difference with guys losing their shoes? Is one a more dangerous situation than another?

 

[Lafayette]

On the positives:

1) Tarris played better than anyone since Walton at UCLA. 31-27 and granted against Furman, but that is a huge boost to us and his NBA future
2) We could not get a worse shooting night from our shooting guards from 3 as 1-14
3) vs UCLA Braylon will have his first NCAA tourney game under his belt
4) No one fouled out - Reibe only one with 4 fouls
5) We outrebounded them 44-23, largely because of 27 from Tarrs
6) AK finished well with 22 pts, 4/9 =44% on 3s
7) 2pt FG pct = 27/40 = 67.5%
8) 22 assts + 7 steals + 1 block vs 9 turnovers
9) Braylon 3rd leading scorer, 5-6 from 2pt shots for 12 pts with 2-2 FTs, 2 Reb, 6 assists to 1 TO. 3 Steals.
10) We won the game

On the negatives:
1) Reibe played 5 min, 4 fouls, 0 pts, 0 rebs
2) Braylon 0-8 on 3pt
3) Solo 1-6 on 3pt
4) Badly timed turnovers (9 total) stopped us from building momentum of double-digit leads most of the night
5) 3pt defense gave up 9 of 24 Furman shots for 38%.
6) Malachi outside of assists to turnovers (7-1) shot poorly, but at least we got 32 minutes with Silas out.
7) TBS not CBS

Forward looking
1) We shows 5-25 from 3... if we take 25 vs UCLA I would expect 8-9 to hit for +9-12 more points
2) In general Solo could not have a worse game
3) In 3pt shooting Braylon can hardly do worse than 0-8
4) We hope to get Silas back
5) We might get Jaylin back
6) We're due for a solid game from us.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

How did a guy with a 7-1 A:TO ratio "dish poorly"?

 

[HooperScooper]

The Big Bad Wolf aka Duke will be waiting for us soon. Need to play way better to stand a chance.

You're worried now about the Elite 8? I'm just worried about our round of 32 game.

 

[Lafayette]

Btw, calling Tarris' performance best ever for a Husky is coming up short. He had the best performance in 60 years of the tourney - back to Walton at UCLA.

 

[Lafayette]

How did a guy with a 7-1 A:TO ratio "dish poorly"?

oh, I will change - was just washing the dishes myself. yeah, he was squeaky clean dishing - dribble drives ended somewhat poorly but dishing was fine!

 

[aceboon]

NBA teams don’t want you staying college. Lotto picks and high first rounders gain nothing staying college even if you’re getting a couple mill to do so. Sure if he drops to the second round maybe it’s a good idea to stay, but I don’t thinks that’s the case.

Labaron Philon tested the waters after his freshman year when he was a borderline late first rounder and now he's projected to be lottery or high teens, this fake boneyard narrative that you can't improve your stock after your freshman year needs to die.

 

[HooperScooper]

It wasn't. Didn't you see the expression on Hurley's face.

What was it then? That's what I want to know and why they veered from the plan. The shot happened so fast that it couldn't have been that the reason was that the original plan wasn't there to execute.

 

[HooperScooper]

Draw up? They were in a zone and Mullins shot it on first pass.

You think Hurley drew that up?

I don't get your reply. Obviously I was saying that wasn't the plan but what was it and why did they veer from the plan? They veered because Furman was in a zone and they weren't expecting that? That could be why. But doesn't answer the first question. Or why the quick shot. Would love to hear Hurley's view of the play and not just his facial reaction.