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FSU looking to leave the ACC

brasssbonanzaa said:
Access to markets is not a key priority anymore. It's not 2008. It's about success, size of fanbase, and whether anyone watches you on TV.

Networks are no longer paying for the Northwestern/Vanderbilt/Georgia Tech's of the world.
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ZooCougar said:
Markets really don’t matter. Brands matter.
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And GT is a brand that those southern schools appreciate. Plus, Atlanta is less than a 2 hour flight for every P5 school. Easy weekend for opposing fans to come in and visit the city. Plus, all these 20 team conferences will need some patsies.

GT is old school money and they'll be in. They'll definitely get in before Miami, dook, WF, BCU, scuse, Lville or Pitt.
 
Chin Diesel said:
And GT is a brand that those southern schools appreciate. Plus, Atlanta is less than a 2 hour flight for every P5 school. Easy weekend for opposing fans to come in and visit the city. Plus, all these 20 team conferences will need some patsies.

GT is old school money and they'll be in. They'll definitely get in before Miami, dook, WF, BCU, scuse, Lville or Pitt.
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Not really, at best it's a middle of the road brand that adds virtually nothing to either the B1G or SEC. Their football program would be in the bottom third of both leagues and never have a realistic shot at competing. Their basketball program is equally subpar.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Access to markets is not a key priority anymore. It's not 2008. It's about success, size of fanbase, and whether anyone watches you on TV.

Networks are no longer paying for the Northwestern/Vanderbilt/Georgia Tech's of the world.
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...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
 
McLovin said:
...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
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...and the ACC adding those three schools was by far the most universally panned expansion move ever by a power conference and is one of the primary reasons we are having this discussion.
 
McLovin said:
...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
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Those schools weren't added for their markets they were added to fortify against defections. Jim Phillips pretty admitted as much. If those schools added value to the ACCN and added money FSU, UNC and Clemson would not have voted against them
 
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McLovin said:
...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
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The ACC first wanted to add Cal and Stanford at half price and it was voted down with FSU, Clemson, UNC, and NC State voting no. Then they added SMU getting zero media dollars and NC St. flipped from no to yes. It was a short term money grab for the ACC and made no LT strategic sense. And, there was one other issue the ACC had to deal with. Their deal with ESPN requires 15 members or the deal can be renegotiated and the ACC knew schools were looking to leave as schools were visiting the ACC headquarters to study the GORs, so they were trying to be proactive on the issue.
 
TheCatsLair said:
Those schools weren't added for their markets they were added to fortify against defections. Jim Phillips pretty admitted as much. If those schools added value to the ACCN and added money FSU, UNC and Clemson would not have voted against them
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I mean, UConn football has the same TV viewership numbers (or at least in the ball park) as SMU, plus as good or better alumni base, local fan interest, academics, and fit in the ACC footprint. They wanted Texas and would have added Incarnate Word over UConn if it was their only option to get in the state lol
 
McLovin said:
...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
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They were added to insulate against the inevitable defections and ironically the move accelerated the process. It had zilch to do with markets.
 
McLovin said:
...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
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The Big10 added USC because they are a traditional football power, not for cable boxes. Fox wanted UCLA to make sure the PAC had no LA presence to weaken their potential contract. If cable boxes were the reason then they would have added Washington and Arizona St to complete the cable box takeover.
 
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dayooper said:
The Big10 added USC because they are a traditional football power, not for cable boxes. Fox wanted UCLA to make sure the PAC had no LA presence to weaken their potential contract. If cable boxes were the reason then they would have added Washington and Arizona St to complete the cable box takeover.
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Yup. It’s brands over markets.
 
ZooCougar said:
Yup. It’s brands over markets.
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While that does seem to be the trend, eventually you run out of brands - at which point markets do start to matter again. And as the sport's largest fan bases are congregated into two or three leagues, someone's going to strike oil by building the brand through local talent. We've seen it to varying degrees in every era, and I think that's part of why the ACC took a flyer on SMU.
 
The weird part of all this is that the ACC GOR extension is only available with on-site inspection at the Greensboro office. Even the schools don't have a copy and apparently can't make a copy, either.
 
ZooCougar said:
Yup. It’s brands over markets.
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What is brand but the ability to bring a market?

What you mean is that the market is now assessed based on demonstrated willingness to give attention or money, rather than on mere geographical proximity.
 
CCSUblue said:
At that point, I would officially support dropping down into CAA Football.
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pick a school Blue Devil boy. You with the Huskies FBS or not?
That kind of troll talk you can go back to Stanley Street.
 
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pj said:
What is brand but the ability to bring a market?

What you mean is that the market is now assessed based on demonstrated willingness to give attention or money, rather than on mere geographical proximity.
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Look at the two biggest "available" schools. FSU and Notre Dame. These are attractive because of the brands.
 
DFW HOYA said:
The weird part of all this is that the ACC GOR extension is only available with on-site inspection at the Greensboro office. Even the schools don't have a copy and apparently can't make a copy, either.
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That will likely change with the legal filing. Right?
 
Zissou said:
That will likely change with the legal filing. Right?
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Some contract attorneys have begun weighing in on the contracts, GOR, and legal complaint. There was a reason this document was under lock and key. ACC / ESPN is in some deep s*&t as the enforcability will be difficult. Expect a settlement for fairly low $ number. Also, go back to previous ACC commissioner (Swofford) abd dealings with his son's company. (Raycom) Good for FSU to bust up the corupt business dealings.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
And GT is a brand that those southern schools appreciate. Plus, Atlanta is less than a 2 hour flight for every P5 school. Easy weekend for opposing fans to come in and visit the city. Plus, all these 20 team conferences will need some patsies.

GT is old school money and they'll be in. They'll definitely get in before Miami, dook, WF, BCU, scuse, Lville or Pitt.
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I see GT having value over Louisville, WF, BC, Cuse. But probably not Pitt or Duke.
 
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