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...Except when they decide that access to the market is the key priority (the reason why the ACC expanded with SMU and the Cali teams was to get the ACC Network into those markets - ditto for B1G and the SoCal teams).

The only constant criteria in conference realignment is that you're not allowed in a power conference if you're name is UConn. How they decide who else to add is always flavor of the day...
The Big10 added USC because they are a traditional football power, not for cable boxes. Fox wanted UCLA to make sure the PAC had no LA presence to weaken their potential contract. If cable boxes were the reason then they would have added Washington and Arizona St to complete the cable box takeover.
 
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The Big10 added USC because they are a traditional football power, not for cable boxes. Fox wanted UCLA to make sure the PAC had no LA presence to weaken their potential contract. If cable boxes were the reason then they would have added Washington and Arizona St to complete the cable box takeover.

Yup. It’s brands over markets.
 
Yup. It’s brands over markets.
While that does seem to be the trend, eventually you run out of brands - at which point markets do start to matter again. And as the sport's largest fan bases are congregated into two or three leagues, someone's going to strike oil by building the brand through local talent. We've seen it to varying degrees in every era, and I think that's part of why the ACC took a flyer on SMU.
 
The weird part of all this is that the ACC GOR extension is only available with on-site inspection at the Greensboro office. Even the schools don't have a copy and apparently can't make a copy, either.
 
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Yup. It’s brands over markets.

What is brand but the ability to bring a market?

What you mean is that the market is now assessed based on demonstrated willingness to give attention or money, rather than on mere geographical proximity.
 
At that point, I would officially support dropping down into CAA Football.
pick a school Blue Devil boy. You with the Huskies FBS or not?
That kind of troll talk you can go back to Stanley Street.
 
What is brand but the ability to bring a market?

What you mean is that the market is now assessed based on demonstrated willingness to give attention or money, rather than on mere geographical proximity.

Look at the two biggest "available" schools. FSU and Notre Dame. These are attractive because of the brands.
 
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The weird part of all this is that the ACC GOR extension is only available with on-site inspection at the Greensboro office. Even the schools don't have a copy and apparently can't make a copy, either.
That will likely change with the legal filing. Right?
 
That will likely change with the legal filing. Right?
Some contract attorneys have begun weighing in on the contracts, GOR, and legal complaint. There was a reason this document was under lock and key. ACC / ESPN is in some deep s*&t as the enforcability will be difficult. Expect a settlement for fairly low $ number. Also, go back to previous ACC commissioner (Swofford) abd dealings with his son's company. (Raycom) Good for FSU to bust up the corupt business dealings.
 
And GT is a brand that those southern schools appreciate. Plus, Atlanta is less than a 2 hour flight for every P5 school. Easy weekend for opposing fans to come in and visit the city. Plus, all these 20 team conferences will need some patsies.

GT is old school money and they'll be in. They'll definitely get in before Miami, dook, WF, BCU, scuse, Lville or Pitt.
I see GT having value over Louisville, WF, BC, Cuse. But probably not Pitt or Duke.
 
Some various thoughts:

Louisville has more tv viewership and value than many people on here give them credit for. It is a bit surprising but a fact. Look it up.

Generally, Fox has been about markets and ESPN has been about brands. Big10/Fox added LA/Cali, NY/NJ, and MD/DC/VA with their last adds. SEC/ESPN added the historical brands of Texas and Oklahoma...

Will their strategies change as we enter the streaming tipping point and also as additions dip down into the next tier of schools/programs? Probably.

I think the SEC is a bit more constrained than the Big10 - in terms of geography and their own mindset. In the long run, the Big10 is a money machine as it has/will have huge populated markets and access to southern state athletes presuming they add one or two FL schools, maybe GA Tech, an NC and or VA school so they will catch up to the SEC football-wise.
 
Some various thoughts:

Louisville has more tv viewership and value than many people on here give them credit for. It is a bit surprising but a fact. Look it up.

Generally, Fox has been about markets and ESPN has been about brands. Big10/Fox added LA/Cali, NY/NJ, and MD/DC/VA with their last adds. SEC/ESPN added the historical brands of Texas and Oklahoma...

Will their strategies change as we enter the streaming tipping point and also as additions dip down into the next tier of schools/programs? Probably.

I think the SEC is a bit more constrained than the Big10 - in terms of geography and their own mindset. In the long run, the Big10 is a money machine as it has/will have huge populated markets and access to southern state athletes presuming they add one or two FL schools, maybe GA Tech, an NC and or VA school so they will catch up to the SEC football-wise.

Yeah, California whose population is declining is a market but UT in the fastest growing state is a "brand".

The Texas market for viewing college football is multiple times more valuable than LA and SoCal.
 
And GT is a brand that those southern schools appreciate. Plus, Atlanta is less than a 2 hour flight for every P5 school. Easy weekend for opposing fans to come in and visit the city. Plus, all these 20 team conferences will need some patsies.

GT is old school money and they'll be in. They'll definitely get in before Miami, dook, WF, BCU, scuse, Lville or Pitt.

Georgia Tech translates to mediocre in Georgian.
 
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Yeah, California whose population is declining is a market but UT in the fastest growing state is a "brand".

The Texas market for viewing college football is multiple times more valuable than LA and SoCal.

Except adding SMU doesn’t mean you capture the Texas market. Or even result in capturing a piece that’s worth talking about.
 
Some various thoughts:

Louisville has more tv viewership and value than many people on here give them credit for. It is a bit surprising but a fact. Look it up.

Generally, Fox has been about markets and ESPN has been about brands. Big10/Fox added LA/Cali, NY/NJ, and MD/DC/VA with their last adds. SEC/ESPN added the historical brands of Texas and Oklahoma...

Will their strategies change as we enter the streaming tipping point and also as additions dip down into the next tier of schools/programs? Probably.

I think the SEC is a bit more constrained than the Big10 - in terms of geography and their own mindset. In the long run, the Big10 is a money machine as it has/will have huge populated markets and access to southern state athletes presuming they add one or two FL schools, maybe GA Tech, an NC and or VA school so they will catch up to the SEC football-wise.

The SEC isn’t constrained. They can still read a map and they know they have a more solid package staying in their region.

Everyone else is gerrymandering their way around the country to try and catch up. A futile task.
 
While that does seem to be the trend, eventually you run out of brands - at which point markets do start to matter again. And as the sport's largest fan bases are congregated into two or three leagues, someone's going to strike oil by building the brand through local talent. We've seen it to varying degrees in every era, and I think that's part of why the ACC took a flyer on SMU.

At that point it stops making sense to expand. Everything left is redundant and dilutive.

Repeat after me: The ship has sailed for UConn.
 
The SEC isn’t constrained. They can still read a map and they know they have a more solid package staying in their region.

Everyone else is gerrymandering their way around the country to try and catch up. A futile task.
I think they are constrained in terms of large markets and affluence when compared to the Big10. And they don't seemed too interested in expanding and seemingly not very north in general nor west of TX. Above-board NIL, future athlete employee status, and the transfer portal will continue to level the playing field.
 
Saw an interesting argument for FSU that deals with the ACC's fiduciary responsibility to ensure the conference would negotiate the best possible deal for the universities once the GOR was signed.

FSU views this as a breach of contract that they were coerced to sign under the term Hobson's Choice, sort of like a shotgun wedding.

FSU showed that while ESPN signed a multi billion deal with the SEC, the ACC never failed to properly negotiate the best deal when they signed that crappy deal with ESPN.

I think FSU has a case

Also since FSU filed in Florida and the ACC filed in NC, it appears that a federal court will now have to hear the case
 
I think they are constrained in terms of large markets and affluence when compared to the Big10. And they don't seemed too interested in expanding and seemingly not very north in general nor west of TX. Above-board NIL, future athlete employee status, and the transfer portal will continue to level the playing field.
I think the SEC is not concerned because if they wanted to, they could have basically any major school they wanted outside of Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan. The thing is, they don't want to expand and split the money anymore. They're looking at the B1G and their massive deal and then seeing all the mouths they need to feed. Wanna add FSU, UVa, and UNC and spread the wealth thinner? I'm sure the SEC would have no issue watching that happen.
 
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I think the SEC is not concerned because if they wanted to, they could have basically any major school they wanted outside of Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan. The thing is, they don't want to expand and split the money anymore. They're looking at the B1G and their massive deal and then seeing all the mouths they need to feed. Wanna add FSU, UVa, and UNC and spread the wealth thinner? I'm sure the SEC would have no issue watching that happen.
I think there's truth in a lot of what you say but for me I think they'll look back in 25 years and think they probably didn't expand enough/quickly enough when the B1G added valuable properties. Bottom line, the B1G is thinking strategically and the SEC is thinking tactically. The B1G has always thought bigger picture in terms of academics, research, donor relations, business acumen, markets, etc. The SEC is more about winning football games now.
 
I think there's truth in a lot of what you say but for me I think they'll look back in 25 years and think they probably didn't expand enough/quickly enough when the B1G added valuable properties. Bottom line, the B1G is thinking strategically and the SEC is thinking tactically. The B1G has always thought bigger picture in terms of academics, research, donor relations, business acumen, markets, etc. The SEC is more about winning football games now.

I don’t agree with that either. The SEC just doesn’t need to have and doesn’t have the same strategy.

Plus they have managed to preserve every rivalry and matchup in the conference, while adding Texas and Oklahoma who are true goliaths of the sport.

And they did it all with diluting their brand. They are playing it perfectly.
 
I don’t agree with that either. The SEC just doesn’t need to have and doesn’t have the same strategy.

Plus they have managed to preserve every rivalry and matchup in the conference, while adding Texas and Oklahoma who are true goliaths of the sport.

And they did it all with diluting their brand. They are playing it perfectly.
I agree with both and for each, they are expanding what’s best for them. The SEC got the biggest fish so far with Texas, but the nationwide aspect of the Big10 spreads the image of the member schools to so many areas. If the Big10 can get FSU, they will truly be in almost every corner of the nation (I know one way to fix the NE hole). The SEC is doing it their way as well with southern pride and state rivalries. I think the duo of Oklahoma and Texas are such a home run that almost nothing outside of ND the Big10 can do can match it. The SEC does not need to add anybody else and they will be set for what they want to do.
 
I agree with both and for each, they are expanding what’s best for them. The SEC got the biggest fish so far with Texas, but the nationwide aspect of the Big10 spreads the image of the member schools to so many areas. If the Big10 can get FSU, they will truly be in almost every corner of the nation (I know one way to fix the NE hole). The SEC is doing it their way as well with southern pride and state rivalries. I think the duo of Oklahoma and Texas are such a home run that almost nothing outside of ND the Big10 can do can match it. The SEC does not need to add anybody else and they will be set for what they want to do.

I can only think of one major SEC school that might make sense for B1G, and I have heard they have interest. And that’s Florida. But it’s a total long shot in the most extreme sense of the term.
 
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