From the site that broke the Maryland to Big Ten news- UVA likely to join

[brasssbonanzaa]

This is an internet rumor. Will not see any sort of denial/non-denial until national media picks it up/it has legs. It's not legit yet. More legit than the WV twitter jabronies? Yes, but still not legit.

The thing that lends credence here is that BTN reporters are talking about it, and it's been retweeted by a few legit people. Is it going to happen? Who knows, but there's too much smoke for there to be absolutely nothing to it.

 

[pj]

If you're trying to shake stubborn ACC schools lose, one way is to create the illusion that other ACC schools are leaving, this might promote a stampede effect as schools don't want to be left out. So Delany might have asked BTN people to talk up expansion and ACC departures.

This isn't likely to work on UNC, because they will be valuable no matter what, but it might help with UVa.

 

[upstater]

Here's an interesting read from MGoBlog on research dollars... Interesting to note the amount of money is not exactly pocket change in relation to athletics. A key passage:



I think some of the analysis is a little unclear / confused, or it might just be not well written, in regards to peer review vs. other mechanisms of granting (though he does break it down in the tables). And I don't necessarily think strategy this is foremost in Delany's mind when he's deciding what schools to invite. But it could very well be a part of the picture, even a major one.

As far as UConn's research profile, we have a plan and a leader. Now we just have to execute it and hope we can show we belong. And also have to hope the sequester doesn't take a huge bite out of the funding pool.

Michigan and Wisconsin kicked out Nebraska.

 

[whaler11]

From what I understand, actual ratings are entirely irrelevent to the BTN revenue model.

Their advertising revenues are low to date but I believe they are projecting a jump from 20 to 40 million this year. They have certainly been trumpeting their ratings lately - they have been pretty strong for basketball.

 

[Adios]

If UVA goes to the Big 10, the Big 10 will have 3 of the 15 wealthiest alumni groups.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/top-15-universities-wealthy-alumni/story?id=18539608

 

[whaler11]

The thing that lends credence here is that BTN reporters are talking about it, and it's been retweeted by a few legit people. Is it going to happen? Who knows, but there's too much smoke for there to be absolutely nothing to it.

There has been way too much noise about Georgia Tech for too long for it not to at least have some basis in reality. I'm not sold something is going to happen because I think UNC is the key and I'm not sold they jump first.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

Not a likely scenario, but I wonder if this is the bottleneck:

UNC wants to go the B1G, but cannot do it unless NC State has a landing spot in either the B1G or SEC due to political powers that be. The B1G does not want NC State...so that only leaves the SEC as an option. Everyone thinks that the SEC would take NC State in a minute...but I am sure that the SEC would much prefer to have UNC over NC State. So unless UNC is officially off the table for the SEC, the SEC will not invite NC State. However, UNC cannot 'be off the table' until NC State has a landing spot in the SEC. Catch 22 that cannot be solved.

 

[NEforceUConn]

NCState could have BiG 12 as a fallback.

Lots of theories but here's some agreed hard facts:
1. The ACC will change by 2 to 8 teams.
2. UNC will try its hardest to keep ACC together, BUT if its broke it can go to EITHER SEC or BIG. King position.
3. UVA only has the BIG option. Playing in a watered down ACC is not an option. Bitch position.
4. The UNC/UVA agreement doesn't seem smart for the UVA guys. I do not think it exists.
5. NYC and NE are up for grabs.
6. ND will always stay independent and will have its altar boys to take care of Olympic sports.
7. Big 12 must be struggling to get 6 ACC teams in one fell swoop, but it can not get the pieces together.
8. SEC can do anything it wants but will only act for top teams.

If that's how the board is distributed then BIG should: convince UVA to leave, if they don't then lock up number 5. sit back and watch BiG 12 act and then score UVA and maybe evn UNC.

 

[Marty Jackson]

It's not meaningful to conference realignment. Would a Wake prefer an extra, one time $5M to not having it? Of course. Would Maryland rather exit paying $10M to $50M? Of course it would.

But in neither instance is that amount relevant at all to either institution's ability to compete on any particular level long-term compared to how the conferences end up and which conference one is in.

for something so irrelevant, a lot of schools are waiting for some decision on this case before making any decisions of their own.

 

[businesslawyer]

for something so irrelevant, a lot of schools are waiting for some decision on this case before making any decisions of their own.

Says who? We don't know that.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Hypothetically, if the AAU stuff was really so important for the B1G, they'd be pretty desperate right now to beat SEC to the punch. The SEC can invite the very schools the B1G is targeting. But if the B1G can't grab UNC or UVA, they have a bit of a problem.

I also like how that map of the potential B1G skirts Kentucky and ringfences West Virginia.

I believe that the moment the B1G truly makes an offer to UNC they will have the SEC on speed dial. I think the SEC can outbid the B1G. That's why everything is such a mess. I can imagine UVA holding firm in the ACC while UNC is there. The B1G may be denied its wish list. FSU and GT would bail for the B1G.

So what is left? I would not be shocked if the B1G was interested in Colorado. Fast growing state. Could they pluck them from the PAC?

UConn sits in limbo. Waiting as the poker players bluff and fold. Ultimately, I think the acc is likely. Its the old big east after all.

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[RMoore1999]

Not a likely scenario, but I wonder if this is the bottleneck:

UNC wants to go the B1G, but cannot do it unless NC State has a landing spot in either the B1G or SEC due to political powers that be. The B1G does not want NC State...so that only leaves the SEC as an option. Everyone thinks that the SEC would take NC State in a minute...but I am sure that the SEC would much prefer to have UNC over NC State. So unless UNC is officially off the table for the SEC, the SEC will not invite NC State. However, UNC cannot 'be off the table' until NC State has a landing spot in the SEC. Catch 22 that cannot be solved.

This is a VERY likely scenario (though the B12 is also a possibility for NCST if FSU conditions its westward migration on the B12 admitting 3-5 of its acc friends).

As I noted around here previously, UNC and NCST are 2 of 17 "constituent institutions" of the same university system governed by the same Board of Governors.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/bog/index.htm

"The UNC Board of Governors is the policy-making body legally charged with "the general determination, control, supervision, management, and governance of all affairs of the constituent institutions." It elects the president, who administers the University. The 32 voting members of the Board of Governors are elected by the General Assembly for four-year terms."

Anyone who doesnt see that the fates of UNC and NCST are inextricably tied together politically is delusional.

UNC can't go B1G or SEC until the powers to be are assured NCST lands softly, either in the SEC or B12. Unlike a Rutgers, a UNC move anywhere will take time....

 

[jdubct]

I believe that the moment the B1G truly makes an offer to UNC they will have the SEC on speed dial. I think the SEC can outbid the B1G. That's why everything is such a mess. I can imagine UVA holding firm in the ACC while UNC is there. The B1G may be denied its wish list. FSU and GT would bail for the B1G.

So what is left? I would not be shocked if the B1G was interested in Colorado. Fast growing state. Could they pluck them from the PAC?

UConn sits in limbo. Waiting as the poker players bluff and fold. Ultimately, I think the acc is likely. Its the old big east after all.

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You may be right. I have some questions. How closely are UNC and UVa tied relative to ties to Maryland. How could the SEC outbid the Big 10 for UNC? Which league can offer more money?

 

[RMoore1999]

for something so irrelevant, a lot of schools are waiting for some decision on this case before making any decisions of their own.

I think internal state politics are more likely to delay UNC and UVA decisions than a one time termination fee of less than $50M if in fact Delaney is telling schools he expects B1G members to earn $47M annually after the BTN contract takes effect.

 

[UCFBfan]

You may be right. I have some questions. How closely are UNC and UVa tied relative to ties to Maryland. How could the SEC outbid the Big 10 for UNC? Which league can offer more money?

I don't know if a this exact moment the SEC can offer more money but this is what it can offer:

1) A new SEC Network similar to the BTN and likely to pull in as much, if not more, money than the BTN. Especially if they add North Carolina.
2) Instant access to the new bowl setup. Every year, a team from the SEC has played for the National Championship. Since 2006, a team from the SEC has been in the game. 8 of the last 10 games have had a SEC team. The Big Ten....they've had 3 teams represented in the entire history of the BCS. With the new setup not limiting or forcing a team from each conference, there's a strong chance the B1G will not have a team represented some years while the SEC will have two.
3) A Geographical fit. I know a lot of teams don't really seem to care about this anymore but eventually all this long distance travel is going to eat up programs. NC in the SEC allows them to stay in their geographic area and not having to have them fly their olympic sprot teams to places like Madison, Wisconsin or Lincoln, Nebraska.

I think UNC would be better off going to the SEC. However, you can't turn the B1G down and hope the SEC comes calling. To be honest, the SEC doesn't seem to be in a rush to expand, unlike the B1G. So if the B1G does expand and everyone else stands pat (Big12 mainly) than I don't see a need for the SEC to move first. That's a risky play for UNC to turn down the B1G and hope the SEC comes calling once everything starts to crumble.

 

[RMoore1999]

I don't know if a this exact moment the SEC can offer more money but this is what it can offer:

1) A new SEC Network similar to the BTN and likely to pull in as much, if not more, money than the BTN. Especially if they add North Carolina.
2) Instant access to the new bowl setup. Every year, a team from the SEC has played for the National Championship. Since 2006, a team from the SEC has been in the game. 8 of the last 10 games have had a SEC team. The Big Ten....they've had 3 teams represented in the entire history of the BCS. With the new setup not limiting or forcing a team from each conference, there's a strong chance the B1G will not have a team represented some years while the SEC will have two.
3) A Geographical fit. I know a lot of teams don't really seem to care about this anymore but eventually all this long distance travel is going to eat up programs. NC in the SEC allows them to stay in their geographic area and not having to have them fly their olympic sprot teams to places like Madison, Wisconsin or Lincoln, Nebraska.

I think UNC would be better off going to the SEC. However, you can't turn the B1G down and hope the SEC comes calling. To be honest, the SEC doesn't seem to be in a rush to expand, unlike the B1G. So if the B1G does expand and everyone else stands pat (Big12 mainly) than I don't see a need for the SEC to move first. That's a risky play for UNC to turn down the B1G and hope the SEC comes calling once everything starts to crumble.

"you can't turn the B1G down and hope the SEC comes calling." -- Says Who? Rumor has it a current big east school did that to the acc a couple times in hopes of a B1G call....

 

[Adios]

I really hope UNC goes to the SEC. GT/college football fans in Georgia might like having Big 12 schools come to town instead of the B1G schools. The ACC would suck for us.

 

[RS9999X]

One word: Charlotte. They are starting FCS play this year. They are joining the C-USA in other sports with contingency to rapidly expand their brand new stadium from 15,000 seats to 25,000
via bleachers and ultimately 40,000. The UNC BOT represents them too.

Like USF and UCF, Charlotte represents territory the ACC and media may not want to abandon if Miami, FSU, UNC, or NC State get raided.

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[Revrat]

Do people really believe the politics angle? Do they really think UNC can't go unless NCstate has a landing spot? They really think that the state would let both schools sit in a degraded and near worthless ACC when one of them had a chance at the B1G? That's insane. Forcing Virginia to vote no unless Tech was invited was one thing and it really had no bearing on whether any harm would come to Virginia. This is entirely different and there is no way a state legislature is going to hold UNC hostage when they have no control and no vote over what happens in the b1G.

 

[RS9999X]

As a dark horse the UNC BOG will be more interested in getting Charlotte fast tracked to the ACC then seeing UNC and NC State in the same Power Conference.

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[nelsonmuntz]

Do people really believe the politics angle? Do they really think UNC can't go unless NCstate has a landing spot? They really think that the state would let both schools sit in a degraded and near worthless ACC when one of them had a chance at the B1G? That's insane. Forcing Virginia to vote no unless Tech was invited was one thing and it really had no bearing on whether any harm would come to Virginia. This is entirely different and there is no way a state legislature is going to hold UNC hostage when they have no control and no vote over what happens in the b1G.

I think there is loyalty to the ACC among its members that we never saw with the Big East, and it is not just financially driven. VTech is rumored to have rebuffed SEC approaches 2 years ago. UNC knows as long as they are in the league, the ACC is viable as a major conference.

 

[UCFBfan]

I think there is loyalty to the ACC among its members that we never saw with the Big East, and it is not just financially driven. VTech is rumored to have rebuffed SEC approaches 2 years ago. UNC knows as long as they are in the league, the ACC is viable as a major conference.

Possibly, but if FSU and Clemson bolt...the ACC no longer has any strong football teams, thus turning the ACC into a weaker conference. Not sure UNC wants to risk that.

 

[RS9999X]

More on Charlotte's fast track to full FBS status in 2016.

http://collegiatestandard.com/features/unc-charlotte-football-strikes-gold-in-fbs-cusa/

I'd add them over Tulsa.

 

[frankthetank]

I really hope UNC goes to the SEC. GT/college football fans in Georgia might like having Big 12 schools come to town instead of the B1G schools. The ACC would suck for us.

The general tenor of fans from places like FSU and GT has been very lukewarm toward the Big 12 lately. It's easy to say, "Wow! Texas and Oklahoma!", but then people take a step back and remember this is a league where you also have to travel to Manhattan, Kansas and Ames, Iowa. This is NOT a "Sun Belt" league. The Big 12 is very much a paper tiger in this process - outside of its presence in the State of Texas itself, its demographics and footprint are by far the worst out of all of the power conferences. Pretty much everyone with a rudimentary understanding of conference realignment knows that the Big 12 would be a last resort for any ACC school. If the ACC is completely collapsing, then sure, you grab whatever life raft is available (even if it's in the Big 12). For the ACC schools that actually have legit options, though, all of them would pick either the SEC or Big Ten over the Big 12 without question. In fact, they'd all rather prefer that the ACC remain intact over the Big 12.

Bottom line: if you're actually hoping for an ACC school to choose the Big 12 *over* the Big Ten, there's NFW that it happens. The only ACC schools that the Big 12 could possibly get are the ones that the Big Ten and SEC don't want. Choosing between the SEC and Big Ten is a little bit of a different story, but remember that university presidents (as opposed to football-focused fans) are driving the decisions, and when the football *money* is going to be equal or better in the Big Ten *and* there's no contest on the academics front, I think it's wishful thinking that UNC would choose the SEC over the Big Ten, as well. Now, let me be clear, UNC's first choice by far is to stay in the ACC as-is, so in no means am I saying that UNC is actually moving to the Big Ten, but only that no one should think that they'd be choosing the SEC instead of the Big Ten in the event that they do decide that they need to move. Notwithstanding the fake grades and classes, the leadership at UNC is as academically snobby as anyone.

 

[upstater]

The general tenor of fans from places like FSU and GT has been very lukewarm toward the Big 12 lately. It's easy to say, "Wow! Texas and Oklahoma!", but then people take a step back and remember this is a league where you also have to travel to Manhattan, Kansas and Ames, Iowa. This is NOT a "Sun Belt" league. The Big 12 is very much a paper tiger in this process - outside of its presence in the State of Texas itself, its demographics and footprint are by far the worst out of all of the power conferences. Pretty much everyone with a rudimentary understanding of conference realignment knows that the Big 12 would be a last resort for any ACC school. If the ACC is completely collapsing, then sure, you grab whatever life raft is available (even if it's in the Big 12). For the ACC schools that actually have legit options, though, all of them would pick either the SEC or Big Ten over the Big 12 without question. In fact, they'd all rather prefer that the ACC remain intact over the Big 12.

Bottom line: if you're actually hoping for an ACC school to choose the Big 12 *over* the Big Ten, there's NFW that it happens. The only ACC schools that the Big 12 could possibly get are the ones that the Big Ten and SEC don't want. Choosing between the SEC and Big Ten is a little bit of a different story, but remember that university presidents (as opposed to football-focused fans) are driving the decisions, and when the football *money* is going to be equal or better in the Big Ten *and* there's no contest on the academics front, I think it's wishful thinking that UNC would choose the SEC over the Big Ten, as well. Now, let me be clear, UNC's first choice by far is to stay in the ACC as-is, so in no means am I saying that UNC is actually moving to the Big Ten, but only that no one should think that they'd be choosing the SEC instead of the Big Ten in the event that they do decide that they need to move. Notwithstanding the fake grades and classes, the leadership at UNC is as academically snobby as anyone.

Essentially, you're saying the Florida State leaders are braindead, since it's the Florida St. crazies who are freaking out everyone else and causing them to jump, from the President of the BOT accusing UNC of selling out football Tier 3 rights to other decisions.

If FSU is not as enticing as UNC for both the B1G and the SEC, then you have to wonder why FSU bothers with UNC in such a fashion. Just stupidity?

 

[The Funster]

Clemson and FSU aren't leaving. That's why the Big 12 was going to petition for a CCG with only 10 teams. Then when that started to fade the rumors about the Big 12 maybe looking more to the northeast started. I can't help but get the feeling that getting Louisville because they supposedly bring better football than UConn (I still get a kick out of that) served to appease FSU and Clemson.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

No one has joined the Big 12 because Texas likes 10 teams. I don't see that changing any time soon.

 

[whaler11]

No one has joined the Big 12 because none of the schools they want are willing to join right now. Might change if they get passed over by the Big 10 or SEC, but if the Big 12 is your third choice and isn't going anywhere why make a call before you need to.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The general tenor of fans from places like FSU and GT has been very lukewarm toward the Big 12 lately. It's easy to say, "Wow! Texas and Oklahoma!", but then people take a step back and remember this is a league where you also have to travel to Manhattan, Kansas and Ames, Iowa. This is NOT a "Sun Belt" league. The Big 12 is very much a paper tiger in this process - outside of its presence in the State of Texas itself, its demographics and footprint are by far the worst out of all of the power conferences. Pretty much everyone with a rudimentary understanding of conference realignment knows that the Big 12 would be a last resort for any ACC school. If the ACC is completely collapsing, then sure, you grab whatever life raft is available (even if it's in the Big 12). For the ACC schools that actually have legit options, though, all of them would pick either the SEC or Big Ten over the Big 12 without question. In fact, they'd all rather prefer that the ACC remain intact over the Big 12.

Bottom line: if you're actually hoping for an ACC school to choose the Big 12 *over* the Big Ten, there's NFW that it happens. The only ACC schools that the Big 12 could possibly get are the ones that the Big Ten and SEC don't want. Choosing between the SEC and Big Ten is a little bit of a different story, but remember that university presidents (as opposed to football-focused fans) are driving the decisions, and when the football *money* is going to be equal or better in the Big Ten *and* there's no contest on the academics front, I think it's wishful thinking that UNC would choose the SEC over the Big Ten, as well. Now, let me be clear, UNC's first choice by far is to stay in the ACC as-is, so in no means am I saying that UNC is actually moving to the Big Ten, but only that no one should think that they'd be choosing the SEC instead of the Big Ten in the event that they do decide that they need to move. Notwithstanding the fake grades and classes, the leadership at UNC is as academically snobby as anyone.

I think people are seeing the ACC is a little more cohesive than people originally thought. there is definitely a pecking order in the conference game, and no school has left for a perceived 'lesser' conference. And, it seems that the ACC schools aren't so quick to head for the Big12. Of course, that decision is easier if there is a possibility of the SEC or Big10 to come calling.
I hope UNC stays in the ACC, meaning UVA and Uconn to the Big10 gains traction.

 

[Marty Jackson]

No one has joined the Big 12 because none of the schools they want are willing to join right now. Might change if they get passed over by the Big 10 or SEC, but if the Big 12 is your third choice and isn't going anywhere why make a call before you need to.

but, what does it take for Big12 to become 3rd choice over ACC. If ACC only loses UVA and GT, does that create a mass exodus?