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JSM1970 said:
if you recall the ACC voted a couple times and didn't reach consensus on the first time and the faction pushing Louisville beat out the faction for UConn.

So the AD has nothing to do with that, influencing people, making his business case? Building consensus?

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You think this was a judged debate? As opposed to those who felt more srongly fighting those who felt less strongly? OK
 
JSM1970 said:
if you recall the ACC voted a couple times and didn't reach consensus on the first time and the faction pushing Louisville beat out the faction for UConn.

So the AD has nothing to do with that, influencing people, making his business case? Building consensus?

Ok.
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School presidents vote not ADs
 
Recruiting was hurt by the NCAA APR tourny ban. Warde, Ollie and Herbst had nothing to do with it.
 
I feel like Warde haters must have an irrational love for the work Hathaway did here because there is so little recognition of what Hathaway turned over. The ship had already hit the iceberg when WM took the wheel.
 
CTMike said:
I feel like Warde haters must have an irrational love for the work Hathaway did here because there is so little recognition of what Hathaway turned over. The ship had already hit the iceberg when WM took the wheel.
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...they were throwing off deck chairs hoping that would shed enough weight so it wouldn't sink
 
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Shades of gray. There's enough good, great and not so great things Manuel has done.

Jurich's chest puffing...who knows the real scoop. Undeniably the optics were bad. Whether the public perception of UConn football at the time could have been burnished through a more forceful presentation? Maybe, maybe not. But the attempt, if you can call it that, needed a purple pill.

Don't get me started on waiving the girl's hoop revenue. That was not a good deal for UConn.

Ollie was Calhoun's baby. Manuel projected control with the interim business, but end of the day, Ollie's here and not in the oil patch.

Pasqualoni and his charismatic sidekick, Manuel might have, could have pulled the plug at the end of season two, but he at least didn't wait any longer. My only criticism is that Manuel goes by the mantra, "trust your eyes." He had access to the coaches, players, etc. My guess is that he saw the crap going on at the spring game, with every intention of pulling the plug when he did. TJ was his tell.

With respect to Diaco, that bet is still open but looks like a solid hire. The learn on the job stuff was obvious and a price to pay sort of thing.

Football scheduling, out.freaking.standing. In this area, he'll be missed.

The basketball practice facility was pushed over the top under his guidance, but it would have gotten there with anybody but a hathaway-esque talent.

APR, scandals, etc. Aside from McCombs, outstanding. The GSR and APR are the dumbest metric in all of the NCAA, but it is a game that must be played.

Bottom line, he has been competent. With some dumpster fire programs littering the college landscape, competent is very high praise.

The challenge for any AD is the $ problem. Or the mid major conference problem. In reality, there isn't a difference between the two. Small victories will be subsumed by that lack of distinction, and really, in the end, the person that can solve it will be the God of Storrs. So no immortality for Manuel, but it could have, and very well might have been worse under someone else's guidance. So cheers to competence.
 
CTMike said:
I feel like Warde haters must have an irrational love for the work Hathaway did here because there is so little recognition of what Hathaway turned over. The ship had already hit the iceberg when WM took the wheel.
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Mike I think the only person employed by the University of Connecticut Department of Athletics that can even come close to ripping off as much $$ as Hathaway did was Pasqualoni and DeLeone. But Hathaway has to win because he was here for 8 yrs so he definitely collected more $$ in salary. I would venture to say the man was one of the top 10 all time inept D-1 FBS level AD's. Rumor has it that Hofstra hired him with the notion his "contacts" would get them an invite to the Atlantic 10...they're still waiting for that call.
 
This is laughable.... The Warde bashers minds won't ever be changed, they just won't. Regardless of the fact that one of the elite college programs has him in their cross hairs to run their AD (and they could have their pick of just about anyone they want for that job), these people's opinions won't be changed. Despite the fact that Ollie negotiated a clause in his contract that if Warde left he could have an exit from his contract, and that Auriema has pretty much called them idiots in an interview, their minds will never be changed. They must be correct, and EVERYONE ELSE must be wrong.
 
FDNY99 said:
Mike I think the only person employed by the University of Connecticut Department of Athletics that can even come close to ripping off as much $$ as Hathaway did was Pasqualoni and DeLeone. But Hathaway has to win because he was here for 8 yrs so he definitely collected more $$ in salary. I would venture to say the man was one of the top 10 all time inept D-1 FBS level AD's. Rumor has it that Hofstra hired him with the notion his "contacts" would get them an invite to the Atlantic 10...they're still waiting for that call.
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Oh completely agree- which is why it's all the more strange that Warde Haters blame him for not fixing everything in a matter of months.
 
JSM1970 said:
Fine, why were Clemson and FSU convinced Louisville was some football power vs. UConn and why couldn't UConn create a business case for itself?

I guess statements about "monitoring the situation" are worse than "using all available resources" and not being at some stupid preseason hoops tourney at one of the most critical times in the program's history.

It was amateur hour, they were lost and weren't ready for any of it and got played. Jurich was ready.

Oh, but we're now in Hockey Easy along with teams like UMass Lowell, that should heighten our presence with the B1G and B12.
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OK, in inverse order, Hockey East is the best collegiate hockey conference and UConn plays in it. B1G wants to be the best at everything, including hockey. Thus, UConn participation in Hockey East help greatly, especially if the Huskies are competing for a B1G slot with schools like Kansas, Oklahoma, etc.

As for the ACC, I have siad this elsewhere. Yes, UConn was overconfident about being the next one in. Yes, Jurich did a great job selling Louisville. Yes, Warde could have done more; but, at least he did not hurt UConn like prior AD's. But, in the end it did not matter.

When Maryland left, the ACC had 11 voting members and 3 pending/non-voting members in Syracuse, Pitt, and ND. To get into the ACC, UConn needed 2/3 majority of 7 'yes' votes. Of course, to save face, once 7 votes is secured, everyone is expected to vote 'yes' to save face. From the start, UConn had at least 4 solid 'no' votes - 1) BC, 2) Clemson, 3) FSU, and 4) Miami. In addition, there was a solid 'no' from pending member Syracuse and Pitt, who owed their P5 lives to Syracuse and BC, was told likely to follow along. Only 1 more school would have had to swing no, likely G Tech. UConn's vote was DOA before Maryland left and before anyone in Storrs could do squat. Louisville took advantage of that and won.
 
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SAMCRO said:
This is laughable.... The Warde bashers minds won't ever be changed, they just won't. Regardless of the fact that one of the elite college programs has him in their cross hairs to run their AD (and they could have their pick of just about anyone they want for that job), these people's opinions won't be changed. Despite the fact that Ollie negotiated a clause in his contract that if Warde left he could have an exit from his contract, and that Auriema has pretty much called them idiots in an interview, their minds will never be changed. They must be correct, and EVERYONE ELSE must be wrong.
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You are right. They are the Orly Taitz's of the UConn fanbase.
 
CTMike said:
Oh completely agree- which is why it's all the more strange that Warde Haters blame him for not fixing everything in a matter of months.
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People like Waylon live in a world where they believe that stuff can get fixed on twitter.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
As for the ACC, I have siad this elsewhere. Yes, UConn was overconfident about being the next one in. Yes, Jurich did a great job selling Louisville. Yes, Warde could have done more; but, at least he did not hurt UConn like prior AD's. But, in the end it did not matter.
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UConn was overconfident, because their contacts in the ACC were overconfident in their own vote whipping abilities.
 
junglehusky said:
UConn was overconfident, because their contacts in the ACC were overconfident in their own vote whipping abilities.
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What should we expect when Louisville invites ACC Presidents to visit to discuss their ACC bid and has them stay in Billy Minardi Hall for a weekend :cool:
 
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junglehusky said:
UConn was overconfident, because their contacts in the ACC were overconfident in their own vote whipping abilities.
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FSU and Clemson waking up and freaking out about their football status held the whole ACC hostage. Maryland leaving was a such a shock to the system.

Louisville Community College was added out of fear, not really deliberate strategic thinking.
 
It's as good as place as anywhere "to monitor the situation" from.


Mr. Conehead said:
The last time I was in the Caribbean, I adamantly told my boss that there was no internet nor cell service there and left my BlackBerry at home.
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Good analysis. If hockey can somehow help UConn in realignment then great, otherwise it's another large debit in the athletic budget.

On the ACC, I thought Warde had strong ties with the BC AD (one of the reasons he was hired) to help with future opportunities with the ACC?

I thought UNC, Duke, Wake, GT were sold nos on Louisville? How did Louisville overcome their objectors and UConn couldn't/didn't? I just don't know how Warde has zero accountability in that? If not, who does? Only Suzy?

Again, I would like he to stay at this point, I think he's learned a lot since and is more capable to lead. But if he leaves (which why not, it's Michigan), I just am not going to overinflate his accomplishments and neglect any of his misses.

Mr. Conehead said:
OK, in inverse order, Hockey East is the best collegiate hockey conference and UConn plays in it. B1G wants to be the best at everything, including hockey. Thus, UConn participation in Hockey East help greatly, especially if the Huskies are competing for a B1G slot with schools like Kansas, Oklahoma, etc.

As for the ACC, I have siad this elsewhere. Yes, UConn was overconfident about being the next one in. Yes, Jurich did a great job selling Louisville. Yes, Warde could have done more; but, at least he did not hurt UConn like prior AD's. But, in the end it did not matter.

When Maryland left, the ACC had 11 voting members and 3 pending/non-voting members in Syracuse, Pitt, and ND. To get into the ACC, UConn needed 2/3 majority of 7 'yes' votes. Of course, to save face, once 7 votes is secured, everyone is expected to vote 'yes' to save face. From the start, UConn had at least 4 solid 'no' votes - 1) BC, 2) Clemson, 3) FSU, and 4) Miami. In addition, there was a solid 'no' from pending member Syracuse and Pitt, who owed their P5 lives to Syracuse and BC, was told likely to follow along. Only 1 more school would have had to swing no, likely G Tech. UConn's vote was DOA before Maryland left and before anyone in Storrs could do squat. Louisville took advantage of that and won.
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JSM1970 said:
I thought UNC, Duke, Wake, GT were sold nos on Louisville? How did Louisville overcome their objectors and UConn couldn't/didn't? I just don't know how Warde has zero accountability in that? If not, who does? Only Suzy?
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FSU and Clemson were threatening to leave if a "football school" wasn't added. If they left, it would have killed the ACC. It was a game of chicken and Tobacco Row was the first to flinch.
 
dayooper said:
FSU and Clemson were threatening to leave if a "football school" wasn't added. If they left, it would have killed the ACC. It was a game of chicken and Tobacco Row was the first to flinch.
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And now Oklahoma is doing the same thing in the big 12. Except this time UConn is in the opposite position where Oklahoma is threatening to leave if UConn and Cincinnati aren't added. It will be quite a screw job if this group of schools does the opposite of the acc.
 
JSM1970 said:
On the ACC, I thought Warde had strong ties with the BC AD (one of the reasons he was hired) to help with future opportunities with the ACC?
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You need to check your timeline. Flipper was still BC's AD in the last round of realignment. He was replaced with Bates afterwards.

You may not have noticed but we are now in Hockey East (where UConn leads the league in attendance) with BC and have scheduled a series with them in football.
 
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