Foxx is a quarterback

[whaler11]

Every hot shower is hot.
Some hot showers are very hot
Therefore all hot showers are cold. True or false

Answer to the syllogism, you took a hot shower which is not the same as a cold shower.

Foxx played QB in garbage time.
Foxx sometimes plays QB
Therefore Foxx will be our full time QB
True or false premise?

Forget the cold shower. Drink 3 jugs of amber, sleep it off and then have a great day. Go Huskies.

I am reacting to what they are aaying. Not that Foxx played against Temple.

 

[cohenzone]

I am reacting to what they are aaying. Not that Foxx played against Temple.

Fine. That isn't what your post or anything else you wrote said. Peace and love.

 

[whaler11]

Fine. That isn't what your post or anything else you wrote said. Peace and love.

Uh yeah it is. The title is a direct quote from the head coach.

 

[Bubba1957]

Went to look at Yale's roster to see if the QB from Southington was with the team. I counted 5 freshman QBs on their roster. I'm sure they are not all viable options, but it seems like we could have brought a few more in this year.
Like several others have said, I think they should go to the spread/west coast style. It seems to be the best way move the ball without a big physical Oline. They could do some interesting things with Newsome in the slot. Get all your best playmakers on the field together. We probably won't see it because it is not the long term offense Diaco wants to run, but I wished he'd rethink that. Big men who can play OL are the rarest types of humans.

 

[Sean]

The thing that some in here don't get - if we must go the Wildcat route to win games in this rebuilding year...why not find some freshman or sophomore who can do it? Then, god forbid something crazy happens and it works, we still have the guy next year. Even Kamal Abrams, I always thought was our emergency QB...has a year left.

 

[Stinger92860]

I don't want to butt into this one, but by Diaco's own admission, this isn't true. It's why he has been bragging about the 55+ players that he was playing every game, and why he continues to rotate offensive linemen (a strategy that I hate because it disrupts continuity). So...no, he hasn't necessarily been playing the best players...

Davis on the sidelines for the first drive INT on 3rd and long. How does anyone justify that? I find it insane.

 

[Stinger92860]

Like several others have said, I think they should go to the spread/west coast style. It seems to be the best way move the ball without a big physical Oline. They could do some interesting things with Newsome in the slot. Get all your best playmakers on the field together. We probably won't see it because it is not the long term offense Diaco wants to run, but I wished he'd rethink that. Big men who can play OL are the rarest types of humans.

I believe that is the offense Diaco wants to run. That's why he brings in Shireffs and Davis.

 

[Tdaley]

We all know the o-line has great problems pass blocking although there has been some improvement in run blocking the last couple of games. If you watch and re-watch each every game and pay attention to what the other team's defenses are doing to us you come to the inescapable conclusion that its not entirely the offensive line's fault. There are anywhere from 5 to 7 defenders at the line on every play. The lineman are facing blitzes on almost every down with different linebackers and cornerbacks rushing our quarterback. We are running slow developing pass plays which have little chance of succeeding against that kind of defensive pressure. The question is how do we stop our opponents from playing this type of defense against us? Even screen passes aren't all that effective because there is so many people rushing from so many direction. Last year we had some success at the end of the year with spreading the field with 4 wide receivers, operating out of the shotgun and using a quarterback who had a very average arm but who possessed a great skill in reading defensive coverages and throwing quickly to the right guy. We don't have that guy anymore. Both our remaining quarterbacks are immobile and are slow to react to the defenses that they are reading. I frankly think that there is very good chance that Shirreffs beats out Boyle next year simply because his legs gives us another way to succeed. Its hard to win with win with a immobile quarterback, a below average pass blocking line and no explosive wide receiver who can actually catch the football (Geremy Davis is great but not explosive and Fox has trouble catching the football ). Having an athletic quarterback who can run and throw puts a lot of pressure on the other team's defense. If we had Temple's quarterback I think most of you would agree that we most likely would have won at least 2 more games this year even with our inexperienced o-line. Playing Fox at quarterback may cause teams to change their defenses against us because of his speed and his ability to get outside. Going forward, playing both Boyle and Fox may be the best way for this team and its fans to get through this torturous season. Boyle will get some reps so he can continue to develop. Lucas will replace Fox as starting wideout so he can develop. Brian Lemelle might get a little more playing time too. Fox will run enough plays to keep the other team guessing and back on their heals a bit. We will run the ball frequently so our young backs will continue to improve and pass the football infrequently( most the time to Geremy Davis ) so that we get through the season with concussion-free quarterbacks. We will find new ways to get Newsome the ball in space. It might also be a good idea to retire Chandler Whitmer for the rest of the season. The poor kid has taking a lot of big hits and his skill set has never fit well with the talent (or lack of talent ) we have here at UConn.

 

[Dooley]

The thing that some in here don't get - if we must go the Wildcat route to win games in this rebuilding year...why not find some freshman or sophomore who can do it? Then, god forbid something crazy happens and it works, we still have the guy next year. Even Kamal Abrams, I always thought was our emergency QB...has a year left.

Same argument applies to the wildcat QB as does the Boyle vs Whitmer argument. If the coaches thought Boyle was their guy, he would have beaten out Whitmer already and, at the very least, be playing right now. I'd love to see more Boyle but, for whatever reason (Boyle's progression, our awful OL, etc), the coaches just aren't comfortable with him out there.

Same thing applies to wildcat QB. If there was a FR or SO able to run it, there would be. Can't throw a guy in at wildcat QB just because he's a FR/SO. You also have to worry about things like moving the football and scoring points. This team needs confidence in the worst way and would really benefit from being able to string some scoring drives together. If that means wildcat with Foxx, then so be it. Keep this in mind: you're not just trying to develop QBs. You also have to develop our young RBs and running wildcat read-option could mean some nice yardage totals for FR like Newsome and Johnson...two guys that I think we all agree have a tremendous amount of talent.

 

[Husky25]

Uh yeah it is. The title is a direct quote from the head coach.

Those words were indeed spoken by the Coach and in that order, but I looks like you are taking them out of context. The rest of the quote talks about Foxx not just being a runner, He can make some of the throws as well.

Here's a direct quote from Foxx himself:
“It is the end of the game, you don’t want to risk anything happening to your two quarterbacks,” Foxx said. “I have been doing it here or there.”

It looks like it is just a wrinkle, but if this offense is deployed in during the heat of the battle and is successful in helping UConn win, then so be it.

 

[whaler11]

Those words were indeed spoken by the Coach and in that order, but I looks like you are taking them out of context. The rest of the quote talks about Foxx not just being a runner, He can make some of the throws as well.

Here's a direct quote from Foxx himself:
“It is the end of the game, you don’t want to risk anything happening to your two quarterbacks,” Foxx said. “I have been doing it here or there.”

It looks like it is just a wrinkle, but if this offense is deployed in during the heat of the battle and is successful in helping UConn win, then so be it.

So everything all along has been to build for the future.

But after 5 games it makes sense to skip Boyle who hasn't gotten a shot to install a package for a senior WR at quarterback.

They can't block for the offense to date - somehow they can install more wrinkles? A few weeks ago it was simplifying things. Now it's adding additional complexity.

How is this anything but a panic move to try and squeeze a few wins out of 2014?

 

[Husky25]

So everything all along has been to build for the future.

But after 5 games it makes sense to skip Boyle who hasn't gotten a shot to install a package for a senior WR at quarterback.

They can't block for the offense to date - somehow they can install more wrinkles? A few weeks ago it was simplifying things. Now it's adding additional complexity.

How is this anything but a panic move to try and squeeze a few wins out of 2014?

Oh, Please!

This is like having a position player pitch the ninth inning of a 12 run blow out, or playing the walk-ons for the last 2 minutes. UConn has 2 Scholarship quarterbacks. TWO!!! At the very least, I was entertained (You do realize that is the primary purpose of sports and the chief reason most people attend games, right?) for a few minutes during a thoroughly and decidedly unentertaining 4th quarter.

The purpose of the wrinkle is so other teams' coaches have to be prepared for it. Foxx may never line up under center again, but the time it takes coaches to at least consider the possibility is time taken away from other aspects of their game plan.

 

[whaler11]

Oh, Please!

This is like having a position player pitch the ninth inning of a 12 run blow out, or playing the walk-ons for the last 2 minutes. UConn has 2 Scholarship quarterbacks. TWO!!! At the very least, I was entertained (You do realize that is the primary purpose of sports and the chief reason most people attend games, right?) for a few minutes during a thoroughly and decidedly unentertaining 4th quarter.

The purpose of the wrinkle is so other teams' coaches have to be prepared for it. Foxx may never line up under center again, but the time it takes coaches to at least consider the possibility is time taken away from other aspects of their game plan.

Yeah major league teams spend a lot of their limited practice time on position players entering blow outs.

Same exact thing.

Yeah if he can do that without spending time on it practice that's helpful. To make it part of the gameplan when you haven't even given Boyle a chance is puzzling WHEN EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM TO BE DOING IS FOR THE FUTURE.

 

[Sean]

The Edsall apologistas deserve an apology. The Diaco apologistas are far beyond anything we ever experienced in the Edsall years. At least the Edsall's had SOME reason to feel the way they did. Diaco could declare war on Great Britain and half this board wouldn't question it right now.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The Edsall apologistas deserve an apology. The Diaco apologistas are far beyond anything we ever experienced in the Edsall years. At least the Edsall's had SOME reason to feel the way they did. Diaco could declare war on Great Britain and half this board wouldn't question it right now.

You would've thunk by now the Edsall detractors would offer up some form of a mea culpa. No chance.

 

[Husky25]

Yeah major league teams spend a lot of their limited practice time on position players entering blow outs.

Same exact thing.

Yeah if he can do that without spending time on it practice that's helpful. To make it part of the gameplan when you haven't even given Boyle a chance is puzzling WHEN EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM TO BE DOING IS FOR THE FUTURE.

That's not what I meant and you know it. You created a straw man just to be a contrarian.

You know what the major problems are and having a WR (who has played QB in the past) take a few snaps with the backups vs. the backups in a blow out is hardly among them, On the other hand, one of only 2 scholarship quarterbacks getting hurt during garbage time is. Explain to me what one may glean from during garbage time? There are far too many Chicken Littles here lately. Cut the crap and allow the team to develop.

 

[Dooley]

Um, no. We're 5 games removed from Paul Pasqualoni's staff. Growing pains are/were to be expected. When you add Cochran's injury to the already existing weaknesses that the Pasqualoni regime left behind, the progression curve is going to be delayed significantly. We have a SR QB who should be a 3rd string as our staring QB, we have an OL that can't block, and absolutely zero depth at QB thanks to transfers, decommitments, and injuries. Unless UCONN can petition the NCAA to allow Shirreffs to play this season, there is nothing we can do.

I don't understand burning Boyle's redshirt against Boise. If there is an angle for the Diaco angry pitchfork carrying mobsters to take, that's the one. Why burn the RS if you're not going to play him for the majority of snaps? Our OL was horrendous in week 3 and will continue to be horrendous all season. The staff should have just taken their losses with Whitmer and put in Foxx to mop-up blowouts. But maybe they aren't high on Boyle and think that Shirreffs or even Davis will be their guy in 2015?

 

[whaler11]

That's not what I meant and you know it. You created a straw man just to be a contrarian.

You know what the major problems are and having a WR (who has played QB in the past) take a few snaps with the backups vs. the backups in a blow out is hardly among them, On the other hand, one of only 2 scholarship quarterbacks getting hurt during garbage time is. Explain to me what one may glean from during garbage time? There are far too many Chicken Littles here lately. Cut the crap and allow the team to develop.

No that's exactly what I've been talking about. Like your buddy Cohen couldn't comprehend I'm talking about going forward not what happened at the end of the Temple game.

So unless they are going to let Foxx start chucking the ball in games without any practice you let me know how playing him at QB like they talked about advances this team beyond this season.

If pointing out there seems to be no cohesive strategy whatsoever in the way the team is being coached is Chicken Little - then so be it.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I don't understand burning Boyle's redshirt against Boise. If there is an angle for the Diaco angry pitchfork carrying mobsters to take, that's the one. Why burn the RS if you're not going to play him for the majority of snaps? Our OL was horrendous in week 3 and will continue to be horrendous all season. The staff should have just taken their losses with Whitmer and put in Foxx to mop-up blowouts. But maybe they aren't high on Boyle and think that Shirreffs or even Davis will be their guy in 2015?

I've been holding off on commenting on this. I want to give Diaco the benefit of the doubt here. We have a bye week and then play on the road against a miserable team in what will likely not be a hostile environment. If a plan hasn't been implemented to name Boyle the starting QB going forward I'm going to be livid.

 

[Dooley]

I've been holding off on commenting on this. I want to give Diaco the benefit of the doubt here. We have a bye week and then play on the road against a miserable team in what will likely not be a hostile environment. If a plan hasn't been implemented to name Boyle the starting QB going forward I'm going to be livid.

I don't think you will be the only one. I will be too. I commend Whitmer for putting in a team-first attitude in deciding to return this year but he is not a D-1 level QB. He is a questionable backup at best and always has been. To be honest, I had more faith in Johnny McEntee than I do in Whitmer. I would hope that the coaches will use these next two weeks to get Boyle as many snaps as possible with the 1s in practice, name him starter against Tulane, and use Foxx as some sort of Wildcat package QB. If Boyle gets hurt, use Foxx in the majority of read-option snaps and only let Whitmer on the field if he's the only QB on the roster who isn't injured. Then drink enough CL Smooths to officially black out for a few months and hope this was all one horrendous and tragic nightmare when we wake up next August.

 

[cohenzone]

Yeah major league teams spend a lot of their limited practice time on position players entering blow outs.

Same exact thing.

Yeah if he can do that without spending time on it practice that's helpful. To make it part of the gameplan when you haven't even given Boyle a chance is puzzling WHEN EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM TO BE DOING IS FOR THE FUTURE.

Two cold showers and 4 jugs of amber. For me.

Do you do personnel development? Do you know how long it takes even the greatest manager in history to take on his first job at the helm, have almost all of his support team have less or not much more experience than he does, to assess and really learn what all of his people can do, let alone have to readjust when key injuries occur, and have outsiders armchair QB every move he makes? You take a quote out of context and figure that it shows something crazy about the guy who was quoted. It shows me he is taking a look at his horses and deciding on lots of things. He has maybe a half dozen kids at skill positions who are ready to do or are doing very good things, and some of those are his younger players. He has a major problem with the O line, and he has fans who want some things to happen now that probably are not going to show up this year. He has other fans who want him to build for the future but still don't want the team to take lumps now.

As for Whitmer, he isn't the worst passer in the world, that would be me, and his "happy feet" aren't as big a problem as the lack of time he gets. His first INT against Temple was underthrown, but name me a HOF QB who hasn't thrown a bunch of poor passes that cost his team even with great pass protection. The INT that sealed our fate against Boise (unlikely victory to begin with) was a good throw and ripped away from maybe our biggest stud. None of us has the faintest idea if Foxx is the answer to anything at QB, but if bysome chance he has the goods, one should wonder more about how the last regime evaluated him and not how Diaco, dealing with the entire personnel, has to figure things out. Second guessing is what fans do. The coach can't worry about that or he should sell cars instead. Time will tell what Diaco can do, and there isn't much to take away from this year other than that it confirms what we knew off of last year. The program needs a whole lot of better talent.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I don't think you will be the only one. I will be too. I commend Whitmer for putting in a team-first attitude in deciding to return this year but he is not a D-1 level QB. He is a questionable backup at best and always has been. To be honest, I had more faith in Johnny McEntee than I do in Whitmer. I would hope that the coaches will use these next two weeks to get Boyle as many snaps as possible with the 1s in practice, name him starter against Tulane, and use Foxx as some sort of Wildcat package QB. If Boyle gets hurt, use Foxx in the majority of read-option snaps and only let Whitmer on the field if he's the only QB on the roster who isn't injured. Then drink enough CL Smooths to officially black out for a few months and hope this was all one horrendous and tragic nightmare when we wake up next August.

The only part I will disagree with is that I thought Whitmer was a serviceable QB in 2012. If you can look past the TO numbers, the degree to which he has regressed is astounding.

 

[Dooley]

The only part I will disagree with is that I thought Whitmer was a serviceable QB in 2012. If you can look past the TO numbers, the degree to which he has regressed is astounding.

Playing behind GDL's OLs really f---ed with his head, huh? Literally.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Two cold showers and 4 jugs of amber. For me.

Do you do personnel development? Do you know how long it takes even the greatest manager in history to take on his first job at the helm, have almost all of his support team have less or not much more experience than he does, to assess and really learn what all of his people can do, let alone have to readjust when key injuries occur, and have outsiders armchair QB every move he makes? You take a quote out of context and figure that it shows something crazy about the guy who was quoted. It shows me he is taking a look at his horses and deciding on lots of things. He has maybe a half dozen kids at skill positions who are ready to do or are doing very good things, and some of those are his younger players. He has a major problem with the O line, and he has fans who want some things to happen now that probably are not going to show up this year. He has other fans who want him to build for the future but still don't want the team to take lumps now.

As for Whitmer, he isn't the worst passer in the world, that would be me, and his "happy feet" aren't as big a problem as the lack of time he gets. His first INT against Temple was underthrown, but name me a HOF QB who hasn't thrown a bunch of poor passes that cost his team even with great pass protection. The INT that sealed our fate against Boise (unlikely victory to begin with) was a good throw and ripped away from maybe our biggest stud. None of us has the faintest idea if Foxx is the answer to anything at QB, but if bysome chance he has the goods, one should wonder more about how the last regime evaluated him and not how Diaco, dealing with the entire personnel. Second guessing is what fans do. The coach can't worry about that or he should sell cars instead. Time will tell what Diaco can do, and there isn't much to take away from this year other than that it confirms what we knew off of last year. The program needs a whole lot of better talent.

Be fair. The INT against Temple was not an aberration. It's become the norm for Whitmer.

And the INT that sealed our fate against Boise was the one prior to the one that got ripped away from Davis. It was a terrible decision and throw.

 

[whaler11]

Two cold showers and 4 jugs of amber. For me.

Do you do personnel development? Do you know how long it takes even the greatest manager in history to take on his first job at the helm, have almost all of his support team have less or not much more experience than he does, to assess and really learn what all of his people can do, let alone have to readjust when key injuries occur, and have outsiders armchair QB every move he makes? You take a quote out of context and figure that it shows something crazy about the guy who was quoted. It shows me he is taking a look at his horses and deciding on lots of things. He has maybe a half dozen kids at skill positions who are ready to do or are doing very good things, and some of those are his younger players. He has a major problem with the O line, and he has fans who want some things to happen now that probably are not going to show up this year. He has other fans who want him to build for the future but still don't want the team to take lumps now.

As for Whitmer, he isn't the worst passer in the world, that would be me, and his "happy feet" aren't as big a problem as the lack of time he gets. His first INT against Temple was underthrown, but name me a HOF QB who hasn't thrown a bunch of poor passes that cost his team even with great pass protection. The INT that sealed our fate against Boise (unlikely victory to begin with) was a good throw and ripped away from maybe our biggest stud. None of us has the faintest idea if Foxx is the answer to anything at QB, but if bysome chance he has the goods, one should wonder more about how the last regime evaluated him and not how Diaco, dealing with the entire personnel, has to figure things out. Second guessing is what fans do. The coach can't worry about that or he should sell cars instead. Time will tell what Diaco can do, and there isn't much to take away from this year other than that it confirms what we knew off of last year. The program needs a whole lot of better talent.

Even after hundreds of words you still never answer the important question.

How does playing Foxx at quarterback make the team better past 2014?

 

[Husky25]

No that's exactly what I've been talking about. Like your buddy Cohen couldn't comprehend I'm talking about going forward not what happened at the end of the Temple game.

So unless they are going to let Foxx start chucking the ball in games without any practice you let me know how playing him at QB like they talked about advances this team beyond this season.

If pointing out there seems to be no cohesive strategy whatsoever in the way the team is being coached is Chicken Little - then so be it.

Read the article again. He has been doing some in practice and like Dooley said, maybe they aren't high on Boyle. I don't know how he could be any worse than Whitmer, but the coaches see something. I'm not at the practices and I'm certainly no expert. I do know this though, nothing good could have come from putting Boyle in that situation, whereas about 10 negative things could have happened. Garbage time tends to be sloppy and slower than typical full speed. Could Foxx have gotten hurt just as easily as Boyle, or the 3rd string Walk on, or anyone else? Sure, but UConn could also weather the storm better at WR, than at QB.

 

[whaler11]

Read the article again. He has been doing some in practice and like Dooley said, maybe they aren't high on Boyle. I don't know how he could be any worse than Whitmer, but the coaches see something. I'm not at the practices and I'm certainly no expert. I do know this though, nothing good could have come from putting Boyle in that situation, whereas about 10 negative things could have happened. Garbage time tends to be sloppy and slower than typical full speed. Could Foxx have gotten hurt just as easily as Boyle, or the 3rd string Walk on, or anyone else? Sure, but UConn could also weather the storm better at WR, than at QB.

You are talking about something completely different.

Running out the clock in garbage time is one thing. That is not what they are talking about going forward.

 

[cohenzone]

Even after hundreds of words you still never answer the important question.

How does playing Foxx at quarterback make the team better past 2014?

Look, the coach is in the situation where people want to see some more interesting football now. He's also in the situation where he's has the #1 QB gone, another potential dual threat guy leave the program pre-season, and a fly in the ointment of his likely desire to RS Boyle. The RS is gone, which suggests that playing him more makes some sense. However, there are some things that don't make sense. I didn't like the QB platoon at all, especially since Cochrane and Whitmer pretty much are the same type of QB with some fairly negligible differences. Ditto for Boyle. A choice to use Boyle and still do a rotation makes sense to me only if the alternate is not Whitmer, but someone who really changes the nature of the threat. Right now, we don't know if anyone meets that definition, but Diaco says its Foxx. If Diaco decides to sit Whitmer, it probably means it will be Boyle to play. If the kid stays healthy but struggles, what is your next move coach? I'm not against playing Boyle, but I'm also not against the coach experimenting with the skills that are there now.

 

[whaler11]

Look, the coach is in the situation where people want to see some more interesting football now. He's also in the situation where he's has the #1 QB gone, another potential dual threat guy leave the program pre-season, and a fly in the ointment of his likely desire to RS Boyle. The RS is gone, which suggests that playing him more makes some sense. However, there are some things that don't make sense. I didn't like the QB platoon at all, especially since Cochrane and Whitmer pretty much are the same type of QB with some fairly negligible differences. Ditto for Boyle. A choice to use Boyle and still do a rotation makes sense to me only if the alternate is not Whitmer, but someone who really changes the nature of the threat. Right now, we don't know if anyone meets that definition, but Diaco says its Foxx. If Diaco decides to sit Whitmer, it probably means it will be Boyle to play. If the kid stays healthy but struggles, what is your next move coach? I'm not against playing Boyle, but I'm also not against the coach experimenting with the skills that are there now.

So after constantly talking about the future and doing things like playing 55 guys from scrimmage under the guise of playing for the future..

Now it's what can we do that doesn't help the future but beats Tulane or Army or SMU.

Which is fine but why wait 5 games to take that approach?

So I'm not seeing much disagreement anymore on my point. What does this do for the future and does it line up with past decisions.

The answers seem to be nothing and no.

 

[cohenzone]

Be fair. The INT against Temple was not an aberration. It's become the norm for Whitmer.

And the INT that sealed our fate against Boise was the one prior to the one that got ripped away from Davis. It was a terrible decision and throw.

Whitmer was the #2, not the #1, and I intensely disliked the first few game QB rotation that sat CC when it made no sense. Yeah, Whitmer throws INTs, but that particular INT was not on Whitmer. The back up QB for the Washington crepped out against the Giants. At this point I would play Boyle and let him play until he either totally flops or shows he's ready. How much much is proved behind this pass protection, who knows. But this thread was about Foxx. If the kid can produce now and get the rest of the O acclimated to what he can bring, that is an eye to the future. But I wouldn't see him as any more than a change of pace, and one that I would hope would be used with more imagination than the way McCummings was used. For all we know, PP should have made Foxx the QB all along.