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Fox Sports’ Analyst Joel Klatt takes aim at the NCAA tournament

I can follow his logic if his point is that the college football playoff shouldn't be modeled after March Madness. I'd actually agree with him there. They are two very different sports with much different levels of variance on a game to game basis. Your average 14-seed might beat the 3-seed one out of ten times in basketball, but that's still probably once more than the college football equivalent of a 14-seed would beat, say, Oregon over the same sample.

But to take aim at the NCAA Tournament like he does shows me that he's just a guy that doesn't get it. Anyone who thinks the NCAA Tournament should be the literal 68 best teams isn't worth taking seriously.

Also, this notion of "fairness" bothers me, because one could easily make the argument, as @Gurleyman just did, that postseason tournaments are by definition unfair and arbitrary no matter how many teams qualify. Last year we watched Ohio State lose to first place Oregon (in addition to Michigan) en route to a third place finish in the Big Ten, only to get another crack at them because of the expanded playoff. How is that fair? The NCAA Tournament may not always crown the best team either, but at least it's honest about what it is.
The only real issue I have with it is conference tournaments deciding the automatic qualifier. That’s a bad idea that often eliminates worthy teams. If you eliminated that we’d have no bad teams in the field.
 
1st weekend is the best weekend in sports. I'm a blue blood fan and even I dont want to see all top seeds win.
It's by far the best 4 days in sports and always has been. Whole offices get into it, people take off work that Thursday and Friday every year for it, people fly out with old friends to Vegas every year to hit the sports book or fly out every year wherever their school is playing, everyone fills out their brackets whether they follow sports/college basketball or not etc.

Those first few days are all about the Cinderella. Bars are packed all over with everyone pulling for the little guy to take down the big dog. That's by far the most fun part of the tournament unless you're the fan from the major school seeing your team get taken down in real time or unless your team is going to the final 4.

The only comparable thing is the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl of course gets the most viewers and people lobby for it to be a national holiday but most people just meet up at someone's house and they're really in it for the food and commercials.
 
I somewhat remember reading how ratings show fans like Cinderella in first and second weekend, but by the Final Four you need name programs to get the big ratings numbers.
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Nailed it. Cindarellas for the most part have fans cheer for them because they are the lovable underdog and fans want to see David take down Goliath. But Cindarellas by their definition are the smaller schools and don't have many organic fans in their fan bases and therefore don't bring that many fans for the Final Four TV/online viewing and won't create big ratings because of that. The TV execs want the big brand names, they want to see Goliath vs Goliath generally speaking.
 
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Nailed it. Cindarellas for the most part have fans cheer for them because they are the lovable underdog and fans want to see David take down Goliath. But Cindarellas by their definition are the smaller schools and don't have many organic fans in their fan bases and therefore don't bring that many fans for the Final Four TV/online viewing and won't create big ratings because of that. The TV execs want the big brand names, they want to see Goliath vs Goliath generally speaking.

How does taking more 6-12 SEC or Big 12 teams impact that outcome?
 
The only real issue I have with it is conference tournaments deciding the automatic qualifier. That’s a bad idea that often eliminates worthy teams. If you eliminated that we’d have no bad teams in the field.
It happens to one or two a year, but the low major regular season champions are still going to be smushed for the most part. The ones who are good enough to add value to the tourney usually have a good enough resume to get in anyway - but it is true there is a small subset of teams ranked around 50 that have to win their tourneys that sometimes get left out when they have potential.

The plus to the conference tournaments is that they essentially give everyone a chance to get in. If the regular season winner made it, you’d have a little bit of the reverse effect - teams that were injured, or hadn’t figured stuff out, in January and couldn’t climb out of the hole they’d fallen in … even though they were playing better at the end of the year than the teams in front of them.

I’ve thought a little more could be done with byes maybe so that the No. 1 seed advances to the semis or something like that to add more value to the regular season. But conferences determine their format for themselves.
 
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The Big Dance is the best sporting event of the year. He does have a point though. It is not the best way to crown a champion. The champion has to win 6 games in a row to win it all and basketball is ripe for big upsets. You get a Cinderella team with a couple of hot players and they can knock off a favorite.
 
Joel Klatt should stick to football its what he's okay at.


This take is one of the dumbest. Anyone remember the story of Goliath and Goliath. Nobody wants to see cinderellas? Everyone wants to see the little guy rise up and take down the big guy. UMBC and FDU will live forever in tournament history, St Peters making a run to the elite 8, Loyola Chicago and sister jean making a run to the final four. Hell 40 years later and people still take about the perfect game where the Ewing led lead hoyas got taken down by villinova. Danny and the miracle in 1988. That young baby faced kid from Davidson I forget his name taking his team all the way to the elite 8 in 2008.


I would argue the teams that make the 68 team field do way more to earn their way into the tournament. Look at the scheduling done by the top teams this year in bball where teams are looking schedule themselves against other top teams and in football you have people arguing well now the top teams wont schedule one another because its too much of a risk to their playoff chances. Football; lets get rid of out conference championship games because they might hurt us. Basketball; lets
 
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I love the 64 team tournament. It’s the best playoffs in sports. As far as underdogs go, who didn’t enjoy watching Florida Gulf Coast rocking the tourney as just one example. It refreshing to get reminded that it’s not all about the power conferences. Even when a lower division teams lost it was often a revelation to see some crazy good players and standout individual performances. But those players probably wouldn’t have been on those teams if the current portal rules were already implemented earlier because they would have moved up to the a power conference team.
 
The only real issue I have with it is conference tournaments deciding the automatic qualifier. That’s a bad idea that often eliminates worthy teams. If you eliminated that we’d have no bad teams in the field.

The automatic qualifier eliminates bubble teams not worthy teams. If they were worthy they wouldn't be on the bubble. The automatic qualifiers often don't have the resume to be selected for the tourney, but they may be very good, it's just hard to judge.

Besides this idiot doesn't care about getting the best teams, it's about getting another 15 million dollars for the SEC or B10.
 
Klatt was a solid football player and baseball player, but his knowledge, or lack thereof, in NCAA basketball, which he knows ZERO about, or so it seems
 
It's arguably the most popular sporting event in the country.

And this buffoon is saying it's not what we want, we want more than 10 teams from the B10 and we want to leave the smaller conferences out

LMFAO, he's categorically incorrect
 
It's arguably the most popular sporting event in the country.

And this buffoon is saying it's not what we want, we want more than 10 teams from the B10 and we want to leave the smaller conferences out

LMFAO, he's categorically incorrect

He’s completely wrong. A birth in the NCAA tourney is what gives purpose to the seasons of virtually every good college program in the country. It’s exciting and the fans love the first round upsets over overrated & exposed top seeds.
The CFB playoff needs to figure out a better way to keep non-power conference fans engaged in the same way. I think expanding the field more would help.
 
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How about this. Joel Klatt is the dumbest sportscaster and the least aware one in all sports. The NCAA basketball Tounsment is the best tournament in all sports! Watching the cinderellas knock off bluebloods is great and if the bluebloodbgetting knocked off is Duke or Kentucky all the better.

Guessing he is a shill for the SEC or Big 10.
 
I like advocating for the devil because even in his explanation, he stresses that it is great entertainment but not the best way to determine a national champion.

2011
UConn ultimately won it all and was a deserving champion. But Butler vs VCU in the Final 4 is a complete bust.

3 UConn
4 Kentucky
8 Butler
11 VCU

These were the teams seeded higher than UConn. There were at least 40 teams seeded higher than VCU

Ohio State
Duke
Kansas
Pitt
North Carolina
SDSU
Notre Dame
Florida
 
The only real issue I have with it is conference tournaments deciding the automatic qualifier. That’s a bad idea that often eliminates worthy teams. If you eliminated that we’d have no bad teams in the field.
I agree on that. Talk about made for tv events. For major conferences they are mostly irrelevant. Oh you have the odd Georgetown or NC State making a run mostly costing some place holder bubble team a slot. But mostly it doesn’t matter in any way. If you must do it, I would do a 4 team tournament. Everyone else have a nice Summer. For smaller leagues you watch far too many regular season champs get knocked off. Happened to Central Connecticut the last 2 years. Win the NEC Regular season but lost in the NEC tournament. Happened to Monmouth a few years ago when they had like 2 losses all season.
 
I agree on that. Talk about made for tv events. For major conferences they are mostly irrelevant. Oh you have the odd Georgetown or NC State making a run mostly costing some place holder bubble team a slot. But mostly it doesn’t matter in any way. If you must do it, I would do a 4 team tournament. Everyone else have a nice Summer. For smaller leagues you watch far too many regular season champs get knocked off. Happened to Central Connecticut the last 2 years. Win the NEC Regular season but lost in the NEC tournament. Happened to Monmouth a few years ago when they had like 2 losses all season.
Is a bit silly when you think about it - rewarding a team on a little tournament rather than a season long accomplishment. I'm all for doing anything we can to get the best teams out of these conferences in. We don't want totally uncompetetive games in the dance.

Listening to Klatt about hoops is pointless.
 
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I like advocating for the devil because even in his explanation, he stresses that it is great entertainment but not the best way to determine a national champion.

2011
UConn ultimately won it all and was a deserving champion. But Butler vs VCU in the Final 4 is a complete bust.

3 UConn
4 Kentucky
8 Butler
11 VCU

These were the teams seeded higher than UConn. There were at least 40 teams seeded higher than VCU

Ohio State
Duke
Kansas
Pitt
North Carolina
SDSU
Notre Dame
Florida
2011 was a strange year. No GREAT teams. Just a lot of really good ones. That Butler team was actually very good. I don’t think they were viewed as your typical mid-major. They had been to the Sweet 16 in 2007 or 08, then the title game in 2010 and were back in 2011. In 2010 they missed a shot at the buzzer and lost to Duke by 2. Many writers expected them to beat UConn in 2011. A lot of people thought of them as the Gonzaga of the plains. It’s hard to get to the Championship game 2 years in a row.
 
2011 was a strange year. No GREAT teams. Just a lot of really good ones. That Butler team was actually very good. I don’t think they were viewed as your typical mid-major. They had been to the Sweet 16 in 2007 or 08, then the title game in 2010 and were back in 2011. In 2010 they missed a shot at the buzzer and lost to Duke by 2. Many writers expected them to beat UConn in 2011. A lot of people thought of them as the Gonzaga of the plains. It’s hard to get to the Championship game 2 years in a row.
That's true, Butler was on a roll. I have recency bias. It is also annoying that I have 25 or 6 to 4 stuck in my head for some completely unrelated reason. apologies to all.
 
Many writers expected them to beat UConn in 2011.
I don't remember it like that. I think UConn was a 5 or 6 point favorite. That 2011 Butler team wasn't as good as the 2010 team with Gordon Hayward.

I asked ChatGPT, not that I trust it, and it said most analysts expected UConn to win in a close game.
 
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Is a bit silly when you think about it - rewarding a team on a little tournament rather than a season long accomplishment. I'm all for doing anything we can to get the best teams out of these conferences in. We don't want totally uncompetetive games in the dance.

Listening to Klatt about hoops is pointless.
But, without the BE tourney in 2011, we may have been on the wrong side of the bubble. 19-9
 
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