For young Mr. Abu: compare TV schedules between UConn and NC State

[ctchamps]

If I'm a gambling man, I'm betting that in 50 years, the man in the middle in the broadcast industry will no longer exist. People will get their NFL games directly from the NFL. The 60th season of Modern Family will be streamed or beamed directly from whatever production company made it.

The delivery systems for content will eventually open completely and the model of having to subscribe to the local cable monopoly will dissolve - once that happens, it's the wild west.

It's the way I see it. Argued this point with my family and friends in the early nineties. They thought I had just gotten off the spaceship. Of course fifty years is a long time to project things. This was my optimistic projection of the future.

And holy cow, Batman. Your delivery system of things is off the charts brilliant. But you know that by now.

 

[ctchamps]

If I'm a gambling man, I'm betting that in 50 years, the man in the middle in the broadcast industry will no longer exist. People will get their NFL games directly from the NFL. The 60th season of Modern Family will be streamed or beamed directly from whatever production company made it.

The delivery systems for content will eventually open completely and the model of having to subscribe to the local cable monopoly will dissolve - once that happens, it's the wild west.

And BTW, this is the projection which is moving Delaney and the B!G conference. It is why I'm a little less pessimistic than you about CR staying static for more than 5-7 years. The B!G intends to be a B!G player in the direct beaming market and is going for content. The GOR actually increased UConn's odds of getting absorbed rather than decreased the odds. It just put the time of movement out a few years.

 

[upstater]

If I'm a gambling man, I'm betting that in 50 years, the man in the middle in the broadcast industry will no longer exist. People will get their NFL games directly from the NFL. The 60th season of Modern Family will be streamed or beamed directly from whatever production company made it.

The delivery systems for content will eventually open completely and the model of having to subscribe to the local cable monopoly will dissolve - once that happens, it's the wild west.

Because Time Warner and verizon ramped up the pricing on my standalone internet and landline services, I finally went with a bundle of DirectTv. It's been 3 weeks now and the TV has been on like twice. once this morning for NBC SN which had good Premier League coverage. Kids have no interest in it.

I will be one of the people paying ESPN $10 a month, maybe NBC SN. AMC if they keep putting on decent shows but even then I prefer watching them a season late on Netflix. Otherwise, I can't be bothered to watch TV on someone else's time. Prepackaged and delivered when I want it without commercials? I'll pay a premium for that.

 

[upstater]

In the publishing industry, which I've been tracking, things have moved incredibly fast. Not only are the big box stores dead, but the commercial publishers are now bleeding, and soon the people who were supposed to pick up the pieces are bleeding (the Indy publishers). A decade ago, it cost a publisher $10k to print 1,000 books. The cost now is down to $1.5k (digital printing, though it's substandard compared to offset). This means that the Indie people who had prepared to infiltrate the system with small $50k budgets are being ringfenced by self-published authors, kickstarters and small collaboratives. I thought the Indy model was once the best because it was a good filter for readers who didn't want to read through dreck. An editor might be trusted to filter through the dreck for you since they were footing the bill themselves. Now, however, writers have become so adept at using social media to build readerships and more importantly communities, that readers no longer have to rely on the Indy people to filter through the dreck. They get a taste of what they're buying directly from the writers. Even the small non-profits, who were supposed to survive the meltdown, have been bypassed.

 

[Fishy]

Because Time Warner and verizon ramped up the pricing on my standalone internet and landline services, I finally went with a bundle of DirectTv. It's been 3 weeks now and the TV has been on like twice. once this morning for NBC SN which had good Premier League coverage. Kids have no interest in it.

I will be one of the people paying ESPN $10 a month, maybe NBC SN. AMC if they keep putting on decent shows but even then I prefer watching them a season late on Netflix. Otherwise, I can't be bothered to watch TV on someone else's time. Prepackaged and delivered when I want it without commercials? I'll pay a premium for that.

I think the biggest problem for the networks/cable companies is that the next generation of people won't be showing up at 8 pm on a Tuesday to see a show. For example, I like some of the shows on CBS on Monday nights, so if I have free time, I'll probably watch those shows and the crap shows that surround them - that's a good thing for CBS.

Now...my nine-year old has a bunch of favorite shows - she has no idea when they're on or what network.

She streams them on the iPad, records them on the DVR, etc. She will never develop the habit of having to watch some show on channel 2 at 8 pm on Tuesdays. She wants to watch it when she has time to watch it in the manner that she wants to watch it.

In my opinion, that sort of disintermediation is inevitable and is a good thing. And when delivery systems become ubiquitous, there's no reason for the NFL or a Hollywood studio or a production company to have to deal with a middleman to deliver their content to their customers.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

In the publishing industry, which I've been tracking, things have moved incredibly fast. Not only are the big box stores dead, but the commercial publishers are now bleeding, and soon the people who were supposed to pick up the pieces are bleeding (the Indy publishers). A decade ago, it cost a publisher $10k to print 1,000 books. The cost now is down to $1.5k (digital printing, though it's substandard compared to offset). This means that the Indie people who had prepared to infiltrate the system with small $50k budgets are being ringfenced by self-published authors, kickstarters and small collaboratives. I thought the Indy model was once the best because it was a good filter for readers who didn't want to read through dreck. An editor might be trusted to filter through the dreck for you since they were footing the bill themselves. Now, however, writers have become so adept at using social media to build readerships and more importantly communities, that readers no longer have to rely on the Indy people to filter through the dreck. They get a taste of what they're buying directly from the writers. Even the small non-profits, who were supposed to survive the meltdown, have been bypassed.

Books are a thing of the past.
Between my wife and I we read 50 to 100 books a year.
Since we got kindles they are all digital.
The prices charged are only minimally lower . Since there are no printing or distribution costs that business is extremely profitable

 

[upstater]

Books are a thing of the past.
Between my wife and I we read 50 to 100 books a year.
Since we got kindles they are all digital.
The prices charged are only minimally lower . Since there are no printing or distribution costs that business is extremely profitable

If it were extremely profitable it wouldn't be consolidating with fewer profits every year. There's like one commercial publisher out there now.

I don't think books are a thing of the past, by the way. They are cheaper to print than ever before. It's why books are proliferating while profits aren't.

 

[FriarJ]

FriarJ talked about Big East games being on FS2, which has less market penetration than ESPN3.

"With only 10 teams in the BE; PC will be on Fox Sports 1 or 2 for all BE games."

There. It's right there, near the start of the thread. It could not be more obvious what I was referencing if you took three seconds to actually look.

This is classic upstater- when you don't have the law, argue the facts...when you don't have the facts, argue the law...when you're upstater, backtrack from all declarations at warp speed and claim nobody ever said anything, because its all part of a gigantic conspiracy.

How is that statement pumping them up? Simple statement of fact.

Are you a tard? I'm sorry I engaged you if you are indeed challenged?

 

[dmac80]

It may very well happen. Fleuds above just made that same point. But for now, on the cable guide, ESPN is still the first of all the channels. There are actually so many of them I have to search way down to find them. It would help FS1 tremendously if it were situated right after ESPN 1 or at the least ESPN 2. But so far, that's not what's happening. Not even the NFL Network has crept up in the order.

I have Verizon FIOS and Fox Sports 1 is right in the mix with the major sports channels, it right after the ESPNs and near nesn. I expect Verizon to move or relocate fox soccer Hd which is the next station up for FS2 HD. Fox Sports is not going away and will challenge ESPN. It is already in 90 million plus homes, so the entire Big East season, including all PC conf games is on national TV this season and going forward. Cooley stated PC will be on national TV 24 times this season.

 

[upstater]

I have Verizon FIOS and Fox Sports 1 is right in the mix with the major sports channels, it right after the ESPNs and near nesn. I expect Verizon to move or relocate fox soccer Hd which is the next station up for FS2 HD. Fox Sports is not going away and will challenge ESPN. It is already in 90 million plus homes, so the entire Big East season, including all PC conf games is on national TV this season and going forward. Cooley stated PC will be on national TV 24 times this season.

Sigh. How many times on FS1? You do realize, I hope, that I was talking about exposure on the major networks?

Heck, CBSSN is national too. But no one cares.

 

[dmac80]

If you can't tell the FS1 and 2 are getting much more of a push from fox and in the media combined with much better and deeper content then the horribly named and placed CBS and NBC networks I don't know what to tell you. I just think the branding and style matters and Fox Sports is much better positioned to challenge ESPN and it shows even from this early stage. Don't sleep on UFC being a centerpiece either, that sport is growing big time

 

[upstater]

If you can't tell the FS1 and 2 are getting much more of a push from fox and in the media combined with much better and deeper content then the horribly named and placed CBS and NBC networks I don't know what to tell you. I just think the branding and style matters and Fox Sports is much better positioned to challenge ESPN and it shows even from this early stage. Don't sleep on UFC being a centerpiece either, that sport is growing big time

Read the thread about FS1 (on the realignment board) where people are discussing NBCSN. They are doing a great job so far and look much more professional than FS1. No one has any stake at all in NBCSN, we otherwise wouldn't care, but it's getting rave reviews, and deservedly so. They are outdoing what Fox was doing with the EPL all these years by using field hover-cams and highlight shows. They are showing mutliple games and live view-ins. They are going above and beyond. Again, I don't really care about NBCSN but they are impressing me more than Fox.

On the PC board, you have people discussing the lack of availability of FS2.

Again, you do realize I was emphasizing that UConn will be on CBS, ESPN and ESPN2 16 times, right? The only possible comparison (and I gave you PC fans this) is Fs1. How many times will you be on FS1? That's what I'm asking. NC State will only be on those mass exposure channels 4 times this year. How about PC?

And, lastly, you have to admit it's much better to be on ESPN than it is to be on FS1. At least admit that.

 

[ctchamps]

If you can't tell the FS1 and 2 are getting much more of a push from fox and in the media combined with much better and deeper content then the horribly named and placed CBS and NBC networks I don't know what to tell you. I just think the branding and style matters and Fox Sports is much better positioned to challenge ESPN and it shows even from this early stage. Don't sleep on UFC being a centerpiece either, that sport is growing big time

You might want to read what these guys have to say about FS1 and NBC in this thread. They don't have a bone with PC btw. Personally I have nothing against PC and hope they do well. The reason for the direction to the following thread is that two things stick out in my mind.

First: There is a big race by the media to eat into ESPN's monopoly in sports because they realize that sports is the one venue people will try to see live, therefore getting more ad revenue than other forms of content.
Second: This whole thing (content access) is in such a state of flux, there is no way of knowing which of the media players will be involved in the race five or ten years from now.

http://www.the-boneyard.com/threads/fs1.42427/

 

[ctchamps]

Read the thread about FS1 (on the realignment board) where people are discussing NBCSN. They are doing a great job so far and look much more professional than FS1. No one has any stake at all in NBCSN, we otherwise wouldn't care, but it's getting rave reviews, and deservedly so. They are outdoing what Fox was doing with the EPL all these years by using field hover-cams and highlight shows. They are showing mutliple games and live view-ins. They are going above and beyond. Again, I don't really care about NBCSN but they are impressing me more than Fox.

On the PC board, you have people discussing the lack of availability of FS2.

Again, you do realize I was emphasizing that UConn will be on CBS, ESPN and ESPN2 16 times, right? The only possible comparison (and I gave you PC fans this) is Fs1. How many times will you be on FS1? That's what I'm asking. NC State will only be on those mass exposure channels 4 times this year. How about PC?

And, lastly, you have to admit it's much better to be on ESPN than it is to be on FS1. At least admit that.

LOL! Didn't know you were posting this when I posted almost the same thing.

 

[Fishy]

If you can't tell the FS1 and 2 are getting much more of a push from fox and in the media combined with much better and deeper content then the horribly named and placed CBS and NBC networks I don't know what to tell you. I just think the branding and style matters and Fox Sports is much better positioned to challenge ESPN and it shows even from this early stage. Don't sleep on UFC being a centerpiece either, that sport is growing big time

You're right - Fox will definitely present a better challenge to ESPN than the bizarre efforts CBS and NBC have put forth. They have a track record of success and they're playing the long game in a way that NBC and CBS have yet to figure out.

In ten years, I'd wager they'll have a very viable sports network. But in 2013, being on Fox Sports will be a little lonely. Perhaps a Georgetown-Nova game will have enough sparkle to encourage the average hoop fan to find out exactly where on the dial FS 1 is, but a Providence or Seton Hall game will be a friends-and-family affair.

One question about Fox - what exactly happened in the meeting where Regis Philbin sounded like a good idea?

 

[upstater]

You're right - Fox will definitely present a better challenge to ESPN than the bizarre efforts CBS and NBC have put forth. They have a track record of success and they're playing the long game in a way that NBC and CBS have yet to figure out.

In ten years, I'd wager they'll have a very viable sports network. But in 2013, being on Fox Sports will be a little lonely. Perhaps a Georgetown-Nova game will have enough sparkle to encourage the average hoop fan to find out exactly where on the dial FS 1 is, but a Providence or Seton Hall game will be a friends-and-family affair.

One question about Fox - what exactly happened in the meeting where Regis Philbin sounded like a good idea?

My money is now on NBC SN.

Fox has nothing on them.

 

[baggerbob]

I suspect that mindset will change as FS1 becomes more mature but for right now you are correct, accept obviously for the fans of BE schools.

You might still have the name , but it really isn't the Big East anymore, and the majority of the US realizes that. UConn. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Notre Dame kept the league viable for the last 15 years. Louisville, and Cincinnati came in and helped in the last 9. Your last champion was Villanova in 1985, last team to get to the final game Seton Hall 1989. You should have let the name go, and given yourselves a new name like the AAC did. UConn will be in either the ACC or Big 10 within 2 years, and you still won't be relevant.

 

[dmac80]

You're right - Fox will definitely present a better challenge to ESPN than the bizarre efforts CBS and NBC have put forth. They have a track record of success and they're playing the long game in a way that NBC and CBS have yet to figure out.

In ten years, I'd wager they'll have a very viable sports network. But in 2013, being on Fox Sports will be a little lonely. Perhaps a Georgetown-Nova game will have enough sparkle to encourage the average hoop fan to find out exactly where on the dial FS 1 is, but a Providence or Seton Hall game will be a friends-and-family affair.

One question about Fox - what exactly happened in the meeting where Regis Philbin sounded like a good idea?

Agree, but like almost all the analysts that I've read thus far, I'm bullish on Fox Sports in the nearer term than that. Further, I'm not sure who you're providers are, but FS1 HD is right in the mix of all the major sports networks on FIOS, right after the ESPNs and NESN for me. FS2 is buried for now, but it will likely occupy the channel right after FS1 HD (Fox Soccer HD). Remember Fox is a media juggernaut, they entered the frey not long ago and they said they had no chance to dent CNN, now they own cable news. With their footprint in nearly every home already, and their ability to push the product on their various media outlets, look out. The've got some pretty good stuff coming that will get mainstream viewership with MLB, UFC, major College Football, the BE basketball, and the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, etc etc. I also think people are hungry for an alternative to ESPN and Sportscenter. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. And I get that UCONN fans are skeptics and think the new BE and FS1 are questionable, just like as a PC fan, I think the AAC is a sad existence and a crappy place for UCONN to be. The new BE was the best and really only play for the basketball only C7 and they doubled their TV money with the FS deal, so it was a no brainer. They had to make a move to survive, for now anyway. We'll see what tomorrow brings with the power football programs saber rattling.

The bottom line is every single Big East game will be on in over 90 million homes from day 1. In today's cable lineup, there are a gazillion options so most networks are fighting to get eyes on them for casual viewers, its up to the BE to put up quality basketball and win NCAA games. They have to earn that respect. But live sports is one of the few things left in advertising that people sit and watch commercials for, which is partially why analysts are bullish on Fox Sports.

Personally I think the NBC and CBS forays into sports channels have been horrible, and most people still associate them with the broadcast channels, not their specialty sports channels.

 

[dmac80]

You might still have the name , but it really isn't the Big East anymore, and the majority of the US realizes that. UConn. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Notre Dame kept the league viable for the last 15 years. Louisville, and Cincinnati came in and helped in the last 9. Your last champion was Villanova in 1985, last team to get to the final game Seton Hall 1989. You should have let the name go, and given yourselves a new name like the AAC did. UConn will be in either the ACC or Big 10 within 2 years, and you still won't be relevant.

Totally disagree, in that they should have "let go of the name". The Brand Name is everything. Years ago BMW and VW were in a bidding war for the Rolls Royce product. In the end VW paid a boatload of money and got the factories, workers, production lines, etc etc. BMW paid pennies on the dollar for the Rolls Royce logo, famous hood ornament, and name. BMW manufactures essentially a new line of cars with the RR logo and name, while VW continued the "legal successor" of Rolls Royce but can't use the brand name.(like the AAC is the legal successor of the old BE). So for pennies on the dollar, BMW started new luxury car line with a historic brand, and most consumers have no clue, nor care. They just want that Rolls Royce.

I won't argue with you that the heavyweights left the Big East, but the brand is still strong, and remains synonymous with strong tradition urban basketball. The metro areas the BE schools occupy are strong and major media centers, Chicago, NYC, DC, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Philly, Providence/Boston and Omaha. I like those locales better than the AAC after Louisville leaves.

 

[upstater]

Personally I think the NBC and CBS forays into sports channels have been horrible, and most people still associate them with the broadcast channels, not their specialty sports channels.

You haven't even watched NBC SN.

 

[dmac80]

You haven't even watched NBC SN.

Exactly.

 

[upstater]

Exactly.

Watch it. It's fantastic. It's getting rave reviews.

 

[dmac80]

Watch it. It's fantastic. It's getting rave reviews.

NBC SN (rebranded multiple times) programming:

NHL
CAA and Ivy League Football
CAA, Ivy, A-10 Basketball
College Hockey
Some Formula One and Nascar
Spillover Olympic coverage


vs

Fox Sports 1 and 2:

MLB
US Open Golf (and other USGA events) -taken over from ESPN and NBC
UFC MMA (exclusive)
Pac 12, Big 12, Conf USA Football
Big East Basketball
FIFA Men's and Women's World Cup Soccer
EUEFA Europa, EUEFA Champions League, CONCACAF Champiopns League Soccer
Formula 1, Nascar racing
Boxing
Horse Racing


I took this last part from the wiki on FS1:

Despite being established well after ESPN and the CBS- and NBC-owned sports networks, Fox Sports 1, even before commencing programming, has been seen as a legitimate and serious competitor to ESPN,[9] in part due to 3 factors:

• Audience reach - FS1 was expected to reach 90 million households at the time of its launch, most of which through the spot Speed had occupied on cable/satellite channel lineups; by comparison, though that number is under ESPN's total reach (99 million homes), it is also more than the 77.9 million homes NBCSN reached at the beginning of 2013.[10]
• Brand awareness - Fox heavily promoted FS1's launch through its various TV, online, and social media platforms, including appearances of FS1 talent on existing Fox programming and the online posting of its shows' pre-launch rehearsals.[11]
• Programming strategy - Fox was aggressive in seeking and securing major content for FS1, employing a strategy to obtain rights to popular sports and leagues that they believed other networks underserved, as well as creating high-profile original shows (see Programming below).[11]

If I were betting, I'd bet FS1 and FS2 make do much better over the next decade than NBC Sports Network.

 

[upstater]

NBC SN (rebranded multiple times) programming:

NHL
CAA and Ivy League Football
CAA, Ivy, A-10 Basketball
College Hockey
Some Formula One and Nascar
Spillover Olympic coverage


vs

Fox Sports 1 and 2:

MLB
US Open Golf (and other USGA events) -taken over from ESPN and NBC
UFC MMA (exclusive)
Pac 12, Big 12, Conf USA Football
Big East Basketball
FIFA Men's and Women's World Cup Soccer
EUEFA Europa, EUEFA Champions League, CONCACAF Champiopns League Soccer
Formula 1, Nascar racing
Boxing
Horse Racing


I took this last part from the wiki on FS1:

Despite being established well after ESPN and the CBS- and NBC-owned sports networks, Fox Sports 1, even before commencing programming, has been seen as a legitimate and serious competitor to ESPN,[9] in part due to 3 factors:

• 
  [ ]Audience reach - FS1 was expected to reach 90 million households at the time of its launch, most of which through the spot Speed had occupied on cable/satellite channel lineups; by comparison, though that number is under ESPN's total reach (99 million homes), it is also more than the 77.9 million homes NBCSN reached at the beginning of 2013.[10]
  [ ]Brand awareness - Fox heavily promoted FS1's launch through its various TV, online, and social media platforms, including appearances of FS1 talent on existing Fox programming and the online posting of its shows' pre-launch rehearsals.[11]
  [ ]Programming strategy - Fox was aggressive in seeking and securing major content for FS1, employing a strategy to obtain rights to popular sports and leagues that they believed other networks underserved, as well as creating high-profile original shows (see Programming below).[11]

If I were betting, I'd bet FS1 and FS2 make do much better over the next decade than NBC Sports Network.

Your info is stale. Seriously. You don't seem to realize what is going on.

For heaven's sake, take a look at what they showed this weekend.

 

[IMind]

I've been watching a ton of Premier League on NBC SN not to mention Track and Field on Univeral Sports Network (also NBC) about the only thing I watch on Fox Sports is UEFA Champions League. FS1 lost Formula 1. F1 and IndyCar are on NBC SN. Granted losing USGA to Fox Sports is a big deal, a huge deal.... and I'm pretty sure NBC taking open wheel racing and Primier league will make up for it. As far as my viewing habbits... NBC SN will win over Fox Sports...

I'm not going to bet on who wins... but the NBC SN Premier League coverage is excellent. NBC is doing a good job of working the gaps in ESPNs coverage.

 

[ctchamps]

I've been watching a ton of Premier League on NBC SN not to mention Track and Field on Univeral Sports Network (also NBC) about the only thing I watch on Fox Sports is UEFA Champions League. FS1 lost Formula 1. F1 and IndyCar are on NBC SN. Granted losing USGA to Fox Sports is a big deal, a huge deal.... and I'm pretty sure NBC taking open wheel racing and Primier league will make up for it. As far as my viewing habbits... NBC SN will win over Fox Sports...

I'm not going to bet on who wins... but the NBC SN Premier League coverage is excellent. NBC is doing a good job of working the gaps in ESPNs coverage.

And I think you hit the nail on the head about not betting on who wins. They are all watching each other and will modify their approach as they need to. The game is to take share away from ESPN. That is the only thing that can be stated with certainty. How this evolves and who will be the final players is the uncertain part.

 

[dmac80]

Your info is stale. Seriously. You don't seem to realize what is going on.

For heaven's sake, take a look at what they showed this weekend.

What info is "stale"?

Was it the Pro Cycling or the Madden NFL 14 Pigskin Pro AM that were the big hits from this weekend's putrid offering on NBC SN?

http://www.nbcsports.com/tv-listings

 

[upstater]

What info is "stale"?

Was it the Pro Cycling or the Madden NFL 14 Pigskin Pro AM that were the big hits from this weekend's putrid offering on NBC SN?

http://www.nbcsports.com/tv-listings

You do realize that NBC network is different than NBC SN, I hope? NBC Network are the people with NFL Sunday Night football. The one with Faith Hill showing off her legs. NBC SN is the channel that showed the EPL all weekend. For that matter, tune in now, because Chelsea and Man. United is about to start, and they're not playing on Fox or Fs1 or Speed or Fuel or anything like that.

 

[his dudeness]

@dmac
Am I missing something or didn't NCST sign two PF and an undersized center last year, two of which were in the top 100? Not exactly an open frontcourt. And the martin twins mean he wont shift to SF

 

[upstater]

I'll get my first glimpse of FS2 this afternoon with Schalke playing PAOK in champions' league. Will compare it to the coverage of NBS SN's EPL game yesterday.