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For the record, my dream scenario is that FSU takes its ball and heads to the Big 12

Jax Husky said:
While I would not be mad at that, UConn belongs back in a league with those teams. The ACC would be an incredibly fun home for hoops, and football we be best supported playing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, and WVU again, like the old days.
ETA: baseball is better in the ACC too
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Then why not this come 2036:

Big12West:
1) Zona 2) ASU 3) BYU 4) Utah
5) Colorado 6) Kansas 7) K St 8) OK St
9) TT 10) TCU 11) Baylor 12) Houston

Big12East:
1) ISU 2) Lville* 3) Cincy 4) WVU
5) UConn 6) Cuse* 7) Pitt* 8) VT*
9) NC St* 10) Duke* 11) GT* 12) UCF

MW: Cal/Stanford/SMU
AAC: BC/Wake
BIG: Notre Dame/Virginia
SEC: UNC/Clemson/FSU/Miami
 
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Theory: UConn to the Big 12 is supported by ESPN in part because it is setting the stage for them to not renew with the ACC.

The floodgates open from the ACC and the Big 12 gets their pick after UNC and TBD decide between the B1G and the SEC.
 
ScottVib said:
I'd take Yormark getting his NE pod with 'Cuse, Ville & Pitt to get to 20 (with UConn in the fold BC is redundant and unnecessary); with some combination of ACC leftovers to form their SE pod to get to 24 (if that's the end-game). Gives UConn back OBE rivalries with WVU, Pitt & Cuse; plus post-raid rivalries with Cincy & Ville; a couple of AAC partners in UCF (ConFLiCT lives) and Houston; plus some basketball powers in Kansas, Baylor & a hoops-first Arizona.

Florida State, UVA & UNC end up in the Big Ten (which leaves the lights on for Notre Dame). The SEC scrambles to figure out what to do... potentially ending up with NC State & Virginia Tech, but Clemson finds itself uncomfortably without a P2 home, probably stuck in the Big XII SE quadrant with Miami, Georgia Tech & Duke. Wake & BC end up in the best of the rest conference the Pac-12 remnants form with Stanford, Cal, OSU, WSU, SMU and others. (If Utah realized it's Big Ten dream (which would mean the Big Ten gave up on Notre Dame for now) then the door opens for one of those schools to be the California outpost for the now coast to coast Big XII)

Big XII decouples it's media rights into a football & basketball/olympic sport setup. P2 firms up and stabilizes. Big XXIV ends up solidly as the middle iter; with the Pac-12 remnants a half-step down and the remaining G5s pretty far beyond that.. so much so the top-4 (SEC, Big Ten, Big XXIV & Best of Rest) separate into the Autonomous division and Division 1 consolidates the FCS and remaining G5s with a single championship for football and basketball. Probably about 84 teams wind up in the Autonomous Division.
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I think UNC and Virginia get into the SEC. They are both cultural fits for the SEC. I'm not buying the B1G not interested in FSU and Clemson narrative out there.

I agree that BC will never be part of a major conference if the ACC goes away.

I still think that the ACC can survive, but it won't be anywhere near what it was in prestige and revenue.
 
B1GEast said:
I think UNC and Virginia get into the SEC. They are both cultural fits for the SEC. I'm not buying the B1G not interested in FSU and Clemson narrative out there.

I agree that BC will never be part of a major conference if the ACC goes away.

I still think that the ACC can survive, but it won't be anywhere near what it was in prestige and revenue.
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UNC and Virginia are cultural fits? Have you ever looked at the license plates on campus at either school.

When UNC gets out, they can literally name their destination.
 
ZooCougar said:
UNC and Virginia are cultural fits? Have you ever looked at the license plates on campus at either school.

When UNC gets out, they can literally name their destination.
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I agree that academically, UNC is much better than probably all SEC schools , my point was UNC and VA are both desired by the SEC.

I think both would want to be a part of the SEC
 
B1GEast said:
I agree that academically, UNC is much better than probably all SEC schools , my point was UNC and VA are both desired by the SEC.

I think both would want to be a part of the SEC
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Why wouldn’t they go to the B1G and get a bigger check?
 
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For the record, UVA is a better school (based on academic standing) than UNC.

Both are likely far closer culturally to the B1G than the SEC. Based on culture of alumni base and student body Va Tech & NC St are closer to SEC schools than UVA or UNC.

I doubt the SEC has much interest in either.
 
Bongo Fury said:
Ideally UConn seems like a better fit in the ACC but they don’t seem to desire UConn for some reason. Some of the Big 12 desires UConn for some reason. It’s like dating. Go where you are desired, otherwise it’s a waste of time.
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I agree UConn is a better geographic and academic fit with the ACC. I just can't see the ACC totally imploding. Sure Clemson and FSU will probably leave and UNC and UVA will be desirable to the B1G, but how big can these conferences get? I'm not sure there's any more room for additional schools. Having said that, I've given up trying to figure out the ACC a long time ago. If they were smart, they would have added UConn and Rutgers years ago and locked up the east coast for Miami to Boston. If the big 12 calls, I'm all in.
 
If you are really serious about sports, it’s the SEC. There are no rules, no boundaries and no budgets.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Florida State is not going anywhere. They program isn't that good anymore, it is not clear which of the P2 would actually want them, and if they were leaving and the ACC was about to blow up, the Big 12 wouldn't be talking to us.
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"Their program isn't that good anymore"

Uhh, you realize they were undefeated all of last season and were legitimate national title contenders until their star QB got a season ending injury?
 
That Guy said:
"The program isn't that good anymore"

Uhh, you realize they were undefeated all of last season and were legitimate national title contenders until their star QB got a season ending injury?
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Still good and will probably still make the playoff.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
For the record, UVA is a better school (based on academic standing) than UNC.

Both are likely far closer culturally to the B1G than the SEC. Based on culture of alumni base and student body Va Tech & NC St are closer to SEC schools than UVA or UNC.

I doubt the SEC has much interest in either.
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I don't doubt the SEC has interest in UNC (I doubt highly that UVA is nearly as high on their wish list, in fact Virginia Tech might be higher than UVa in the SECs mind). UNC is probably their #1 preferred target out of the ACC, followed by Florida State (exclusive of Notre Dame). I think in general college presidents would prefer the association with the Big Ten and that academic community, which would be the edge for the Big Ten in landing UNC.

I think Clemson's move to join FSU is a hail mary to be a plus one with FSU to one of the P2. If they fail to land as a plus one, they are a school in a small market, redundant to the SEC, who is in danger of falling back to where they were in the 90s and early 2000s (pre-Dabo) where they were a good, but not elite program... if they aren't an elite program, their value to the SEC becomes nil and minimal to the Big Ten (which would put their ceiling at the Big XXIV).
 
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B1GEast said:
I think UNC and Virginia get into the SEC. They are both cultural fits for the SEC. I'm not buying the B1G not interested in FSU and Clemson narrative out there.

I agree that BC will never be part of a major conference if the ACC goes away.

I still think that the ACC can survive, but it won't be anywhere near what it was in prestige and revenue.
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I don't get why Virginia's name is thrown out there so much. Crappy football program. They do have some basketball history and that one title but I never think of them as a great basketball program.
 
superjohn said:
I don't get why Virginia's name is thrown out there so much. Crappy football program. They do have some basketball history and that one title but I never think of them as a great basketball program.
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In Virginia’s case it’s about getting the Virginia market.

In UNC’s case it’s about basketball and the North Carolina market. Outside of Notre Dame there is no university that both P2 conferences want more and ND is not going to the SEC.
 
ScottVib said:
I don't doubt the SEC has interest in UNC (I doubt highly that UVA is nearly as high on their wish list, in fact Virginia Tech might be higher than UVa in the SECs mind). UNC is probably their #1 preferred target out of the ACC, followed by Florida State (exclusive of Notre Dame). I think in general college presidents would prefer the association with the Big Ten and that academic community, which would be the edge for the Big Ten in landing UNC.

I think Clemson's move to join FSU is a hail mary to be a plus one with FSU to one of the P2. If they fail to land as a plus one, they are a school in a small market, redundant to the SEC, who is in danger of falling back to where they were in the 90s and early 2000s (pre-Dabo) where they were a good, but not elite program... if they aren't an elite program, their value to the SEC becomes nil and minimal to the Big Ten (which would put their ceiling at the Big XXIV).
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Agree with your assessment of Clemson.

I’m not sure Florida will be on board with approving FSU. But if the rest of the conference pushes hard it would happen. Don’t think they’ll push hard. The SEC is the best fit for FSU.

The BIG would love to have presence in Florida but FSU is not a fit academically or culturally and they certainly haven’t won any friends with their lawsuit. I lean to FSU going to the Big 12 and Clemson will end there as well.

UNC to the BIG.

Virginia to the BIG.

NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC.

Miami, Duke, Cuse, Pitt and Ville to BiG 12.
 
That Guy said:
"Their program isn't that good anymore"

Uhh, you realize they were undefeated all of last season and were legitimate national title contenders until their star QB got a season ending injury?
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Thanks, grammar Nazi.

Team didn't make the CFP and got lit up in their bowl game in the best season they had in like 8 or 9 years. That is the definition of "isn't that good anymore".

p.s. There is no easier troll on the Boneyard than to get a "UConn" fan pissed by criticizing another school.
 
They didn't make the playoff because the committee knew that their QB was injured and they wouldn't be the same team, otherwise they were guaranteed to get in. The got lit up in the bowl game because literally all of their starters decided not to play. They were on a 19 game winning streak last season, the 2nd longest in CFB after Washington. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
 
Dream scenario? That would require some trades. I don't know why this is never discussed. UConn, Cinci and WVU belong in the ACC. So does Rutgers.

ACC has 18 counting ND
B1G has 18
SEC has 16
Big XII has 16

Let's say UConn and Memphis join that group with Oregon State and WSU to make it four groups of 18. How do you allocate the 72 schools?
 
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That Guy said:
They didn't make the playoff because the committee knew that their QB was injured and they wouldn't be the same team, otherwise they were guaranteed to get in. The got lit up in the bowl game because literally all of their starters decided not to play. They were on a 19 game winning streak last season, the 2nd longest in CFB after Washington. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
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Thank you for your interest in UConn athletics.
 
Jax Husky said:
Allowing UConn to get an ACC bid. That is the perfect home for the Huskies.
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If FSU leaves, then dominos are falling. The ACC after FSU and Clemson leaves means that other schools are leaving too and which translates to UConn just being in the old big east plus california schools and SMU. That conference sucks with out FSU and Clemson.
 
Jax Husky said:
I'm not sure Clemson is going to be invited anywhere. The ACC will survive and be fine. It will still have very good football schools and be the best basketball conference in the country.
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B12 would easily take Clemson.

If FSU & Clemson leave, then UNC is out the door, and it spirals from there with the B12 picking over the carcass.

That said, I suspect FSU finds that the BiG/SEC aren't interested and decides to stay put.
 
freescooter said:
I think part of this is also the B12 basically boxing in the ACC. With UConn off the board, where does the ACC go for a replacement if FSU or Clemson leave?
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They double down on West and go with OSU, WSU, SDSU.

And rename themselves to the "Great Atlantic & Pacific Conference"
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Florida State is not going anywhere. They program isn't that good anymore, it is not clear which of the P2 would actually want them, and if they were leaving and the ACC was about to blow up, the Big 12 wouldn't be talking to us.
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Vowelguy said:
B12 would easily take Clemson.

If FSU & Clemson leave, then UNC is out the door, and it spirals from there with the B12 picking over the carcass.

That said, I suspect FSU finds that the BiG/SEC aren't interested and decides to stay put.
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FSU is one of the premier football brands in the country. The program had some down years because Jimbo left a mess and they took a while to find a good coach. But they've got one now. That program is $.

Just look at FSU TV ratings, even in down years. Top 15 in the country during losing seasons. They would add massive value to either of the P2, and both of them know it. Don't believe any of the nonsense about the B1G or SEC not being interested. They're just waiting for the legal mess to clear up, whenever that is. I would wager the B1G even makes an exception to their vaunted AAU rule. They just don't want to be seen as destabilizing the ACC before any outcome is even possible, just like when the B1G waited around until the Pac12 imploded before they invited O and W -- as if we didn't know they caused the whole thing.
 
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Vowelguy said:
They double down on West and go with OSU, WSU, SDSU.

And rename themselves to the "Great Atlantic & Pacific Conference"
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Nice

The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company, better known as A&P, was an American chain of grocery stores that operated from 1859 to 2015

a&p.jpg
 
gsmooth said:
I remember going there as a kid when I lived in Storrs. Is that picture of the of the store on Route 44?
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I don't know which location it is, I just googled the image. "Store Closing" was a nice touch, for the A&P conference.
 
Kolumbo said:
Nice

The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company, better known as A&P, was an American chain of grocery stores that operated from 1859 to 2015

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There was some talk about saving the chain by merging it with Stop & Shop, but it was abandoned because the name Stop & P didn't test well.
 
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