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OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

I have a difficult time believing that tg he B1G would add a member who is clearly the second best asset in a state when they don't already have the best asset (U of Florida in in the SEC).

I also highly doubt that the SEC has any desire to add a school to a market where they already have a presence. The legacy that gave them Ole Miss/Miss St; Alabama/Auburn and Tennessee/Vanderbilt now appears to be less than desirable.

My personal belief is that FSU overplayed their hand by believing that all they needed to do was let the B1G and/or SEC know that they were on the market and an offer would be imminent. They have been hurt further by the changes in the market (Washington & Oregon joining the B1G at a discount, SMU joining the ACC basically for free). They may need to take a serious haircut to join a P-2 conference if one is willing to add them.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Do we have any reason to believe that neither the B1G or the SEC will take them??

I can't imagine any scenario where I would enter into a multimillion dollar litigation as an athletic department without having kicked those tires in advance. It would make zero sense to me.

To me, it's more likely that they have a very strong sense of where their new home will be (almost certainly one of those two conferences) and after having received that information have begun fighting the legal and public war...
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There is no way any of Fox or ESPN is going to pay to have them join the Big or SEC after this. Neither of them need the headache.
When you sue the people who pay you, the door is shut behind you.
 
baggerbob said:
There is no way any of Fox or ESPN is going to pay to have them join the Big or SEC after this. Neither of them need the headache.
When you sue the people who pay you, the door is shut behind you.
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FOX will pay for it if they think ESPN will get it.

ESPN will pay for it if they think FOX will get it.

Live sports is one of the last havens left for the networks to charge a premium. We've seen this play out countless times before. In fact, one of the things that we had heard about hurting UConn to the Big12 was that FOX already had us in the Big East, so ESPN was going to have to pay for the move entirely. This is the tv world we live in...
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm not sure FSU does anything to bring them any money. But that aside, FSU has improved its academic reputation pretty dramatically over the last 10-15 years. So it would probably have some appeal. Still, no non AAU has gotten an invite. Most of the original Big Ten go way back in AAU, to 1900 or 1908.

I really don't think anybody but the big XII wants FSU or Clemson. They are better off in the ACC. I think they'll get P2 money when the top programs break away from these conferences. The B1G would like FSU once they get rid of Indiana, Purdue and Northwestern (from a football perspective).
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I think FSU is close to AAU and given USF was just admitted, I think it will happen soon for FSU.

That's where I was going. If FSU were to get out of the ACC and only the Big 12 wanted FSU, I think FSU would have to stay in the ACC. it would be kind of embarrassing to go through all that trouble to stay in the ACC but it wouldn't make financial sense to go to the Big 12.
 
UConnDan97 said:
And weren't kicked out after losing it. In other words, there is no prerequisite. The B1G presidents loved the idea of it, I'm sure.

But they love money more...
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If they were to vote today- there is a good chance Nebraska would not be in the B1G10. I believe they lost AAU accreditation because the Medical School....which is high rated....moved
 
UConnDan97 said:
And weren't kicked out after losing it. In other words, there is no prerequisite. The B1G presidents loved the idea of it, I'm sure.

But they love money more...
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Really? You're bringing back that tired old canard?

Sure, the B1G loves money. And that's why they're hoping some school beats the ACC in court so they can add UNC and UVA (or UNC and ND if ND feels it has to join a conference). FSU and Clemson don't fit academically or culturally and represent very small TV markets.
 
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storrsroars said:
Really? You're bringing back that tired old canard?

Sure, the B1G loves money. And that's why they're hoping some school beats the ACC in court so they can add UNC and UVA (or UNC and ND if ND feels it has to join a conference). FSU and Clemson don't fit academically or culturally and represent very small TV markets.
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Yeah, that's why they added Nebraska.... because they fit culturally...
 
It was known Nebraska was getting the boot when they were added to the Big Ten.... Academics are a factor to the Big Ten, but the AAU membership is just one consideration.
 
ScottVib said:
It was known Nebraska was getting the boot when they were added to the Big Ten.... Academics are a factor to the Big Ten, but the AAU membership is just one consideration.
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The Big Ten was a winner because it controlled its own TV, which locked its members in, and it has a large, very loyal fan base. The Big 10's expansion decisions (Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers) have been dilutive to the league, and its on-field/on-court performance has been poor compared to the other top leagues.
 
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Memphis now leads 20 - 3 midway through the 3rd quarter. FSU can still come back, but it will require a substantial change of fortune.

Two and a half games into this season and FSU's offense can't move the ball and the defense can't stop anyone. Must be great watching them go head-to-head in practice. The immobile object vs the resistible force.
 
BlueHen said:
FSU trailing Memphis 13 - 3 at the half.

FSU might want to consider suing its offensive line.
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We are all Memphis fans today.
 
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I am hearing FSU will be in court Monday with a new lawsuit. Their players are the target
 
Door is creaking…



-> The schools’ potential willingness to remain in the conference is, for some, a shocking revelation and an about-face from their previous actions. The unequal revenue structure is not a wholly new idea. Last year, FSU officials and board members suggested that the conference distribution formula for its television money — now evenly distributed — be instead tied to viewership and other media value data.

The proposal is seen as a temporary solution to keep them in the conference ahead of any court decision over the validity of the grant of rights.

A potential loss in court that immediately opens the grant of rights could have a catastrophic impact not only on the ACC but other conferences, setting a precedent for all schools to break what were at first thought to be binding agreements.

The proposal comes after the conference approved earlier this year what it describes as a “success initiative,” a system that distributes more revenue to teams that excel in football and basketball. The initiative would reward high-performing football programs as much as $25 million if all success benchmarks are met, such as qualifying for a bowl game, finishing inside the top 25 and advancing through the College Football Playoff. <-
 
huskymedic said:
Door is creaking…



-> The schools’ potential willingness to remain in the conference is, for some, a shocking revelation and an about-face from their previous actions. The unequal revenue structure is not a wholly new idea. Last year, FSU officials and board members suggested that the conference distribution formula for its television money — now evenly distributed — be instead tied to viewership and other media value data.

The proposal is seen as a temporary solution to keep them in the conference ahead of any court decision over the validity of the grant of rights.

A potential loss in court that immediately opens the grant of rights could have a catastrophic impact not only on the ACC but other conferences, setting a precedent for all schools to break what were at first thought to be binding agreements.

The proposal comes after the conference approved earlier this year what it describes as a “success initiative,” a system that distributes more revenue to teams that excel in football and basketball. The initiative would reward high-performing football programs as much as $25 million if all success benchmarks are met, such as qualifying for a bowl game, finishing inside the top 25 and advancing through the College Football Playoff. <-
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so increased revenue for FSU/Clemson and GOR shortened?? pretty big stuff if comes true.
 
How does this help us? I don’t think it would unless FAU and Clemson accept it and then the rest of the ACC votes to add schools as a further protective measure.
 
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Nothing helps us. It's UConn's Third Law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction squarely in the nuts.

With Wake backing out of its game with Ole Miss and paying $1 million to boot, I wonder what effect that has on the ACC and its members. Wake is capitulating and basically admitting that it is not on the SEC level and perhaps not on FSU's level. Maybe Wake and a few others are accepting that there is more realistic alternative route and that route would help many programs outside of the 203 and the 860.
 
Sources: ACC, Clemson, FSU renew talks on revenue distribution

Talks between Clemson, Florida State and the ACC have ramped up in recent weeks, according to sources, on a proposal that would allot a greater share of revenue to schools based on brand valuation and television ratings, as well as potentially alter the expiration of the league's grant of rights -- which currently runs through 2036 -- in exchange for the Tigers and Seminoles dropping their lawsuits against the conference.

According to multiple sources within the league, the conversations are preliminary and the sides are not close to an agreement, but the conversations represent a strong signal that Florida State and Clemson are open to remaining in the conference under more favorable financial terms.

The proposal, which was formulated by Clemson and Florida State and discussed by the league's presidents during Tuesday's regularly scheduled meeting, includes additional money going to schools with better ratings success in football and basketball.


www.espn.com

Sources: ACC, Clemson, FSU renew talks on revenue distribution

Talks between Clemson, Florida State and the ACC have ramped up in recent weeks, sources told ESPN, on a revenue distribution model based on brand valuation and television ratings in exchange for the schools dropping their lawsuits against the conference.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
If true.....FSU and Clemson just executed a master class in blackmail.
The other schools in the conference should tell them to pound sand-although that won't happen.
 
huskymedic said:
Door is creaking…



-> The schools’ potential willingness to remain in the conference is, for some, a shocking revelation and an about-face from their previous actions. The unequal revenue structure is not a wholly new idea. Last year, FSU officials and board members suggested that the conference distribution formula for its television money — now evenly distributed — be instead tied to viewership and other media value data.

The proposal is seen as a temporary solution to keep them in the conference ahead of any court decision over the validity of the grant of rights.

A potential loss in court that immediately opens the grant of rights could have a catastrophic impact not only on the ACC but other conferences, setting a precedent for all schools to break what were at first thought to be binding agreements.

The proposal comes after the conference approved earlier this year what it describes as a “success initiative,” a system that distributes more revenue to teams that excel in football and basketball. The initiative would reward high-performing football programs as much as $25 million if all success benchmarks are met, such as qualifying for a bowl game, finishing inside the top 25 and advancing through the College Football Playoff. <-
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Sounds like 0-3 FSU will be taking a pay cut.
 
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