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TN lose to an uranked team at home?

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For how many years has this been going on? A very long time. Parker ran the team when Pat was there and now the players are running the team. Holly is afraid to lose. Nan you nailed it. Sit the players who are not listening or executing and not doing what they are told. Holly doesn't have to be afraid of loosing now because the LVs are underachieving. Hey you cant make this stuff up but I have to say there are many fans lovin it.

As for some comments on UConn next season and their tuff schedule. Geno will have them prepared and they will learn fast. Don't forget we haven't seen the real Katie Lou or Collier yet. Theyre still being developed. When they come on we will have two more AAs for opponents to contend with. Ive heard talk that UConn could lose 5-8 games next season. Well what if UConn goes undefeated again????? A lot of opponents are happy to see Stewie and Mojeff graduate and are counting on UConn being beatable. IMO when your beating teams by as much as UConn is and your opponents are losing key players just like you well I like Genos chances a lot more then our opponents chances of beating us. I know MD has the top recruiting class coming in and they have NO experience. I know SC has some great transfers coming in but are loosing 5 top players. I know ND has a good class coming in but Turner is hurt and needs surgery in the off season and Cable Huffman and Mabrey 1 are graduating. I know Ohio St has transfers Mavunga and Calhoun coming in but UConn beat them by how many this season at their place. Baylor has a lot of height but cant play all 4 6'5+ girls at the same time and be effective and they have some good kids coming in next season too. I know Texas has a very good team this season and have some good kids coming in and losing a couple of good kids. Bottom line is we are looking at a UConn team this season that will have more experience and quickness next season then many of the opponents Ive mentioned. So yeah I like our chances a lot. We may not win every game by double digits but we will win most of them and surprise a lot of teams by showing how good we really are. It all starts with defense and that's why UConn dominates and that's why Geno is talking better defense.
 
HuskyNan said:
The players do what they want because there's no consequence if they disobey their coach. Any player that ignores her coach should be pulled and put at the end of the bench. Play the team manager and sign up some walk ons if necessary but only play the kids that listen. Holly needs to get control of her team.
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Right you are, Nan. But I don't think the cats are going back in the bag for Holly. She can't even herd them, much less catch them.
 
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Hey, let's keep in mind that we have some friendly and respectful Lady Vol posters joining us on this board. We should at least acknowledge that how this season is unfolding for Tennessee must be as difficult for them as it is gleeful for us.
 
msf22b said:
I watched the first quarter, went back to my piano and then checked back at the end
Amazing, amazing, amazing as ole Casey used to say.
They were so dominant at the top with good strong D
And getting the ball inside to Mercedes and Graves, even hitting 3's
Up by how much? 10, 11?
How could they lose?
A team that takes it foot off the gas, I suppose and forgets what got them there.
Talk about a badly coached team.
And their savior, Miss Diamond, is just not right, she looks awful.
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"Ole' Casey also said, as coach of the Mets, "Can't anybody here play this game?" Side note: Holly was quoted as saying that her players just don't listen to her. When she tells them to go inside, they fire up from the outside. Is this a communication problem or the team's attempt to see if doing what Holly doesn't want them to do will work? By the by, Florida was w/out its coach; won anyway. Message in that for Ms. Warlick?
 
cabbie191 said:
Hey, let's keep in mind that we have some friendly and respectful Lady Vol posters joining us on this board. We should at least acknowledge that how this season is unfolding for Tennessee must be as difficult for them as it is gleeful for us.
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And we might also keep in mind all the times the camera catches Auriemma running both hands through his hair after he's laid out a play, say, then watches them doing something else entirely.
 
huskyd said:
"By the by, Florida was w/out its coach; won anyway. Message in that for Ms. Warlick?
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Hmmm maybe TN should look at FL's Asst. Coaches.

Nah, Holly's doing fine.
 
Tonyc said:
For how many years has this been going on? A very long time. Parker ran the team when Pat was there and now the players are running the team. Holly is afraid to lose. Nan you nailed it. Sit the players who are not listening or executing and not doing what they are told. Holly doesn't have to be afraid of loosing now because the LVs are underachieving. Hey you cant make this stuff up but I have to say there are many fans lovin it.

As for some comments on UConn next season and their tuff schedule. Geno will have them prepared and they will learn fast. Don't forget we haven't seen the real Katie Lou or Collier yet. Theyre still being developed. When they come on we will have two more AAs for opponents to contend with. Ive heard talk that UConn could lose 5-8 games next season. Well what if UConn goes undefeated again????? A lot of opponents are happy to see Stewie and Mojeff graduate and are counting on UConn being beatable. IMO when your beating teams by as much as UConn is and your opponents are losing key players just like you well I like Genos chances a lot more then our opponents chances of beating us. I know MD has the top recruiting class coming in and they have NO experience. I know SC has some great transfers coming in but are loosing 5 top players. I know ND has a good class coming in but Turner is hurt and needs surgery in the off season and Cable Huffman and Mabrey 1 are graduating. I know Ohio St has transfers Mavunga and Calhoun coming in but UConn beat them by how many this season at their place. Baylor has a lot of height but cant play all 4 6'5+ girls at the same time and be effective and they have some good kids coming in next season too. I know Texas has a very good team this season and have some good kids coming in and losing a couple of good kids. Bottom line is we are looking at a UConn team this season that will have more experience and quickness next season then many of the opponents Ive mentioned. So yeah I like our chances a lot. We may not win every game by double digits but we will win most of them and surprise a lot of teams by showing how good we really are. It all starts with defense and that's why UConn dominates and that's why Geno is talking better defense.
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For me it is this simple. With Geno and a healthy Tuck next year I like our chances better than anyone else's. Without Tuck it is a more even race but with Geno as the jockey I would still bet UCONN to win come April 2017.
 
feste said:
And we might also keep in mind all the times the camera catches Auriemma running both hands through his hair after he's laid out a play, say, then watches them doing something else entirely.
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Entirely different situations IMO. UCONN runs a read and react offense so it is not unusual for a UCONN player to do something different than the play Geno drew up because the defense reacted differently than anticipated. What happened last night was ALL TN players deliberately and repeatedly ignored the scout-game plan. Holly said "different agenda" 4 times during the presser and stated emphatically. That wasn't the game plan ! 1 UCONN player ignoring the game plan will send Geno ballistic, and get that player benched. An entire UCONN team ignoring the game plan would result in Geno's retirement instantly!
 
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cabbie191 said:
Hey, let's keep in mind that we have some friendly and respectful Lady Vol posters joining us on this board. We should at least acknowledge that how this season is unfolding for Tennessee must be as difficult for them as it is gleeful for us.
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Acknowledged. It must be difficult. Possibly seek professional help if it gets too bad?

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msf22b said:
I actually don't think their fans are all that hysterical
The team is woefully underperforming
The have zero recruits next season
Play is very undisciplined, coaching is very suspect.
The program has an illustrious tradition

Can you blame them for being so discouraged?
And to advocate change?
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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I re-read my post and I probably should have said that the "mass hysteria from the more insane faction of the fan base" makes me smile.

Far be it for me to defend Holly because I think she's lost control of the team and the players seem to know they can do what they want with no consequences, but what other options are there? Fire Holly now? And replace her with who? What decent coach out there would want that train-wreck, never mind needing to leave their own program mid season and abandoning all the kids they recruited? Tenn fans would not be satisfied with an assistant coach hired away from some mid major. They've thrown Tyler Summit's name around - as if his almost 2 years HC experience at La Tech is any match for taking over the house that Pat built.

Add to that - from everything we've read, the AD at Tennessee is only really interested in returning the football program to its' former glory and has little interest in supporting the women's hoops program. What sort of coach wants to step into that situation? It's a setup for failure. Not to mention the AD would need to buy out Holly's contract which would cost $$ and I'm betting he's not inclined to do that.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing the merits of how reasonable the reactions are - I was stating my happiness that the wheels are falling off the wagon for that program. Karma, if you will. Maybe if they apologized to Maya and her family and mended fences with UCONN... Then again, that wouldn't help their situation really, except to make them a potential regular season opponent for UCONN.
 
ericsandiego said:
I re-read my post and I probably should have said that the "mass hysteria from the more insane faction of the fan base" makes me smile.

Far be it for me to defend Holly because I think she's lost control of the team and the players seem to know they can do what they want with no consequences, but what other options are there? Fire Holly now? And replace her with who? What decent coach out there would want that train-wreck, never mind needing to leave their own program mid season and abandoning all the kids they recruited? Tenn fans would not be satisfied with an assistant coach hired away from some mid major. They've thrown Tyler Summit's name around - as if his almost 2 years HC experience at La Tech is any match for taking over the house that Pat built.

Add to that - from everything we've read, the AD at Tennessee is only really interested in returning the football program to its' former glory and has little interest in supporting the women's hoops program. What sort of coach wants to step into that situation? It's a setup for failure. Not to mention the AD would need to buy out Holly's contract which would cost $$ and I'm betting he's not inclined to do that.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing the merits of how reasonable the reactions are - I was stating my happiness that the wheels are falling off the wagon for that program. Karma, if you will. Maybe if they apologized to Maya and her family and mended fences with UCONN... Then again, that wouldn't help their situation really, except to make them a potential regular season opponent for UCONN.
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Agree with all of that. Don't think they want to buy her out, I believe they just gave her an extension. That would look really stupid, besides the $$$.
 
RE: Holly's lack of control.

Here's what I don't understand. I have to believe that the LV players are as competitive as those on any other team, and want to return Tennessee to its former greatness. And it's pretty clear that when they go off script, the results are often disastrous.

So what compels them to repeat self-destructive behavior? If there is underlying antipathy towards the coaching staff, then why not transfer to a better situation?
 
HuskyNan said:
The players do what they want because there's no consequence if they disobey their coach. Any player that ignores her coach should be pulled and put at the end of the bench. Play the team manager and sign up some walk ons if necessary but only play the kids that listen. Holly needs to get control of her team.
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Damn straight!! (A like was not sufficient for the extent of my agreement!)
 
Icebear said:
That isn't going to happen. She doesn't know how to do that. She has no clue. It starts with the athletes you recruit and how you sell them the program and their role.
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Yup. Way too late. The train has left the station.
 
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ericsandiego said:
I re-read my post and I probably should have said that the "mass hysteria from the more insane faction of the fan base" makes me smile.

Far be it for me to defend Holly because I think she's lost control of the team and the players seem to know they can do what they want with no consequences, but what other options are there? Fire Holly now? And replace her with who? What decent coach out there would want that train-wreck, never mind needing to leave their own program mid season and abandoning all the kids they recruited? Tenn fans would not be satisfied with an assistant coach hired away from some mid major. They've thrown Tyler Summit's name around - as if his almost 2 years HC experience at La Tech is any match for taking over the house that Pat built.

Add to that - from everything we've read, the AD at Tennessee is only really interested in returning the football program to its' former glory and has little interest in supporting the women's hoops program. What sort of coach wants to step into that situation? It's a setup for failure. Not to mention the AD would need to buy out Holly's contract which would cost $$ and I'm betting he's not inclined to do that.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing the merits of how reasonable the reactions are - I was stating my happiness that the wheels are falling off the wagon for that program. Karma, if you will. Maybe if they apologized to Maya and her family and mended fences with UCONN... Then again, that wouldn't help their situation really, except to make them a potential regular season opponent for UCONN.
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I bet there are a number of promising young coaches who would jump at the chance of coaching Tennessee.
 
Howsomever;

The B-ball gods may get annoyed
If we show too much schadenfreude!

(PL, semi-retired)
 
To the Tenn-ow-see AD:HeyDude,you have the greatest wcbb coach of all times.She's not just an empty pant suit.She needs an extension that lasts at least through my lifetime.I agree with her players that "hey,it's not her out here enjoying this college experience,it is us .She had her time on the court and now we do what we damn well please while we here.Nuff said".
 
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cabbie191 said:
So what compels them to repeat self-destructive behavior?
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Because they can and per Nan's post there are no consequences for TN players.

cabbie191 said:
If there is underlying antipathy towards the coaching staff, then why not transfer to a better situation?
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For the same reason many adults refuse to leave their parents homes and go into the real world. In the real world and at other programs someone might actually yell at you and hold you accountable. Is that really "a better situation" for a kid?
 
Maybe Tenn should take a ride up to the University of Hartford and ask if they could borrow
a good tough coach for the rest of the season. It looks like Holly has lost control of the team.
With no recruits coming in next year, maybe the fans will want to exchange their basketball
tickets for softball tickets. Where's Margo?

Could you imagine if this happened to a Geno coached team? He would have the Dance Team
on the floor playing the game and the players back at the practice facility practicing.
 
mrmojack said:
Maybe Tenn should take a ride up to the University of Hartford and ask if they could borrow
a good tough coach for the rest of the season. It looks like Holly has lost control of the team.
With no recruits coming in next year, maybe the fans will want to exchange their basketball
tickets for softball tickets. Where's Margo?

Could you imagine if this happened to a Geno coached team? He would have the Dance Team
on the floor playing the game and the players back at the practice facility practicing.
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Let's be careful how much "help"/ advise we offer TN. Somethings they should have to figure out for themselves. There a good coach at University of Hartford? :eek:
 
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JavaMan said:
Yea, I can see the headlines now: Lady Vols Hire Former UConn Great as New Head Coach
:p :cool: :oops: :eek: :mad: :confused:
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The fun we could have with that!

Press conference.....

Q - Coach Rizzotti what do you bring to Tenn?
A - Well quite simply I hope to bring UConn basketball to Tenn. A UConn south you might say.

:D
 
ericsandiego said:
Far be it for me to defend Holly because I think she's lost control of the team and the players seem to know they can do what they want with no consequences, but what other options are there?
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Her press conference is fascinating as she says as much without the least bit of realization of what it means; meaning of course she doesn't know how to fix it but feels no vulnerability about it.

http://www.utsports.com/video/?cUdEiQpGZU4
 
They are starting to turn on Diamond on the Tennessee boards...that didn't take long. Pretty sure we all called that when she transferred.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Her press conference is fascinating as she says as much without the least bit of realization of what it means; meaning of course she doesn't know how to fix it but feels no vulnerability about it.

http://www.utsports.com/video/?cUdEiQpGZU4
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A few quotes from her...

"I'm telling them to drive and they are shooting 3's" (Diamond 0-5, Coooper 1-5, Nared 0-2, Middleton 0-3 - Hey Holly how about sitting the players who jacked up five 3-pointers against your instructions?)

On shot selection "It wasn't impatience because we were going deep into the clock. I don't know. Ask them. I'm saying one thing and they are doing another"... (see my comment above. Bench players who don't listen)

"Tonight we weren't just missing a leader - we were missing the whole team"

The rest of the presser is pretty much more of the same - team didn't do what the coaches wanted them to do. The solution is rather simple, but hard to implement. She needs to bench players who don't listen in favor of those who do and not let them off the bench until they do what the coaches want. If that means sitting the problem players for 1 game or 5 games until they get the message.

Heck, Geno sat Morgan and Stewie for an entire game last season. Message received. Play the way we want, and the way we know you are capable of playing, or ride the pine. If that pisses players off, tough . If they want to transfer because they don't want to listen to the coaches, then fine - team chemistry will be better down the road. The problem is that Holly is being held hostage by several of the "most talented" players on the team and until she grows a pair, it will be more of the same.
 
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