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cancontent said:
The final games in Group B are going to be very interesting in determining who makes the top 2. Canada, France and Australia are tied 3-1, and each team having a win over another 3-1 team (Canada over France, France over Australia and Australia over Canada). Whoever has the job figuring out all the scenarios, I don't envy them one bit.
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France will finish at the top of Group B if
  • They defeat Serbia AND
  • Mali defeat Canada
Canada will finish at the top of Group B if
  • They defeat Mali AND
  • France defeat Serbia OR Japan defeat Australia
Australia will finish at the top of Group B if
  • Serbia defeat France AND
  • They defeat Japan or Mali defeat Canada
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Do or die: Battle for last ticket in Group A and Race to the top in Group B

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Dillon77 said:
CC...I watched the 2nd half of the game and really thought it was a game of runs. Perhaps some decisions could've been redone but I saw nothing to believe Canada choked it over/blipped out on a large scale. If there's any mental impetus that was necessary, it was for Australia: they needed this game.

Canada has another prelim game left, right? If so, that's the game I'd pay attention to. How do they perform? On target? Or a bit off?
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I see where you're coming from, and I'm hoping this isn't the case. Definitely a game of runs, however being able to punch back when it matters is what was a tad concerning. Based on previous results at World Cup events where they've had the same challenges, it's something Canada Basketball fans may wonder about once they move into the play-off rounds.
 
MilfordHusky said:
I think 4 teams from each Group advance to the quarterfinals. Mali will be eliminated, as will either Japan or Serbia. The seeding of the top 2-3 teams will likely rely on scoring differential.
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cancontent said:
Now, how many points does each team need in their last game to avoid being ranked third? The assumption is that if you're not 1 or 2 in Pool B, a QF match up with the US is very likely.
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Score differential would only come into play in the event of a 3-way tie. A 2-way tie would be broken by head-to-head.

If it does go to score differential, Australia currently holds the advantage, but Canada has the opportunity to run up the score against Mali, the weakest team of the group. I

3rd place team in Group B would have a 50% chance of drawing the US in the QF.

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Plebe said:
Score differential would only come into play in the event of a 3-way tie. A 2-way tie would be broken by head-to-head.

If it does go to score differential, Australia currently holds the advantage, but Canada has the opportunity to run up the score against Mali, the weakest team of the group.

3rd place team in Group B would have a 50% chance of drawing the US in the QF.

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Appreciate this @Plebe
 
Based on current point differentials and matchups, the very high likelihood is that France finishes 3rd in group.

Even if France does beat Serbia, their margin of victory is unlikely to be enough to push them ahead of either Canada (who will have every motivation to run up the score on Mali) or Australia (who plays Japan and is already well ahead of France on point differential).

Edit: Sorry folks, I had the tiebreak procedure wrong. See below.
 
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Plebe said:
Score differential would only come into play in the event of a 3-way tie. A 2-way tie would be broken by head-to-head.

If it does go to score differential, Australia currently holds the advantage, but Canada has the opportunity to run up the score against Mali, the weakest team of the group.

3rd place team in Group B would have a 50% chance of drawing the US in the QF.
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I tried to find the tie-breaker rules on the website, to no avail but the Australian commentators in the pre-match to last game were talking about a 13 point margin of victory being required, which could mean it is the point differential between tied teams (i.e. Canada +11, France -1 and Australia -10) not overall.

If that is the case, if all three win their last match, then Australia would finish third in the group.
 
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maccca3232 said:
I tried to find the tie-breaker rules on the website, to no avail but the Australian commentators in the pre-match to last game were talking about a 13 point margin of victory being required, which could mean it is the point differential between tied teams (i.e. Canada +11, France -1 and Australia -10) not overall.

If that is the case, if all three win their last match, then Australia would finish third in the group.
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Oh, that changes it completely if it's only head-to-head point differential. That would mean the point differential among the 3 teams is already settled and Australia is doomed to 3rd unless one of either France or Canada is upset.

I found this:

As it stands, Canada leads the group with a head-to-head point differential of +11, while France sits second at -1, while the Aussies are third on -10. Australia needs Serbia to beat France to give them a shot at a top-two finish in the group, however, if France wins and the Opals beat Japan, the Aussies will slip to third due to the tie-breaker.​


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Plebe said:
France will finish at the top of Group B if
  • They defeat Serbia AND
  • Mali defeat Canada
Canada will finish at the top of Group B if
  • They defeat Mali AND
  • France defeat Serbia OR Japan defeat Australia
Australia will finish at the top of Group B if
  • Serbia defeat France AND
  • They defeat Japan or Mali defeat Canada
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It's curious that FIBA framed the tiebreak scenarios this way, because the nature of the crossover procedure means that there's zero advantage to finishing 1st as opposed to 2nd, but a major disadvantage to finishing 3rd.
 
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Plebe said:
It's curious that FIBA framed the tiebreak scenarios this way, because the nature of the crossover procedure means that there's zero advantage to finishing 1st as opposed to 2nd, but a major disadvantage to finishing 3rd.
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Unless it weighted like a draft, where top team has more chances (e.g. 1st team has two chances to play 4th team where as 2nd team team only has one chance). Who knows, not enough information publicly available.

Probably just the status quo reporting from previous tournaments or could be based on expected user experience, people want to know who finishes first even though it holds less meaning for next round opponents.
 
maccca3232 said:
On a side note: Achonwa chirps alot for a role player.
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I take umbrage to Achonwa being considered a role player. She's far from it for the Canada Basketball program. ND-UCONN rivalry and chriping aside, she deserves a bit of respect. She's a perennial starter for the program and playing significant minutes for the team.

I believe she's has the most tenure, playing in 3 Olympics. When asked to play for Canada, she's never declined unless injured or a serious conflict with WNBA.

She's a key voice and mentor to the team. Players from Canada Basketball look up to her because of her commitment to the team on and off the field. If that's a role player, I'll take that all day.

Her chirping is no different from what we've seen from players all season. In this game, it was pretty chippy on both sides so I can understand it. A lot of contact, even for FIBA rules, was allowed. I know I saw players from both sides a little edgy, especially late in the game.
 
cancontent said:
I take umbrage to Achonwa being considered a role player. She's far from it for the Canada Basketball program. ND-UCONN rivalry and chriping aside, she deserves a bit of respect. She's a perennial starter for the program and playing significant minutes for the team.
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Side note to the side note: "umbrage" is one of those underused words I am inexplicably fond of :)
 
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cancontent said:
I take umbrage to Achonwa being considered a role player. She's far from it for the Canada Basketball program. ND-UCONN rivalry and chriping aside, she deserves a bit of respect. She's a perennial starter for the program and playing significant minutes for the team.
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For me there are three types of players: Star, Role and Bench.

Let's be honest she is not a star on this team.

While she is 1 of 7 players averaging more than 20 minutes per game, meaning she is not a bench player, she only scores 6 PPG on 33.3% FG% with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 0.72.

Lauren Jackson is one the best to ever play the game but on this team she is a role player. Tess Madgen is the captain of the Opals and has represented her country at multiple Olympics and World Cups but she is also a role player.

Happy to agree to disagree on whether Achonwa should be referred to as a 'role player'.
 
maccca3232 said:
For me there are three types of players: Star, Role and Bench.

Let's be honest she is not a star on this team.

While she is 1 of 7 players averaging more than 20 minutes per game, meaning she is not a bench player, she only scores 6 PPG on 33.3% FG% with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 0.72.

Lauren Jackson is one the best to ever play the game but on this team she is a role player. Tess Madgen is the captain of the Opals and has represented her country at multiple Olympics and World Cups but she is also a role player.

Happy to agree to disagree on whether Achonwa should be referred to as a 'role player'.
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It's definitely an agree to disagree. My idea of a role player differs from yours. Yours seems focused primarily on the stats.

She brings more to the team than production, especially with a group that is very green when it comes to international competition. This Canadian team wouldn't be where they are at this point without her.
 
Plebe said:
How about a "featured role player" :D
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Like my last post, depends on your definition. She brings more to the table and deserves some credit for the veteran leadership she brings.

Got no problems with the chirping being pointed out. There was a fair bit of it. Plus being Canadian, let's chalk some of it up to our hockey heritage, where chirping is part of the game. ;)
 
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Meanwhile on the court Puerto Rico leads South Korea 39-23 with 4:30 left in the 2nd quarter in the battle for fourth place and the last quarter final spot from Group A .
 
Belgium hung close with China through 3 quarters, but China just wore them down and pulled away in 4Q, for an 81-55 win. Li Meng with 16 points led 5 Chinese players in double figures.

For three quarters it was the best I'd seen Belgium play all tournament, despite missing Meesseman. Lack of depth definitely hurt them in the 2nd half.

China locks up 2nd place in Group A, and Belgium takes 3rd.
 
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USA wins 121-59. Stewie was really good, as usual: 15/7/2/1. Plum had a big second half and led the team with 20 points. She was also a phenomenal +55. Seven players in double-figures, after eight did that last night. Jewell did not suit up.
 
MilfordHusky said:
USA wins 121-59. Stewie was really good, as usual: 15/7/2/1. Plum had a big second half and led the team with 20 points. She was also a phenomenal +55. Seven players in double-figures, after eight did that last night. Jewell did not suit up.
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While it's an interesting stat.

I see Copper had the best +/- per minute vs Korea 2.59 (+24 in 9:15) but the worst vs BIH 0.55 (+9 in 16:30). :confused:

Plum also had the highest efficiency (27) but also played the most minutes, so both kinda expected.

Plum +/- per minute was 2.00 (+55 in 27:29) while Thomas had the best +/- per minute at 2.16 (+21 in 9:44).
 
Couldn't do the 2 am game today. Canada won 88-65. Carleton led the team with 27 points and 7/8 for 3 point shots. Kayla Alexander had a great game as well. Wanted to see Mali to watch Kone play. Haven't seen any of the Mali games. She held her own with a double-double (10 pt, 10 reb).

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Serbia beat France 68-62. Based on the box score, it looks like Serbia's rebounding advantage helped to keep them in the game (44-25). Now they wait for Australia-Japan to see if they finish third in the pool.
 
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cancontent said:
Couldn't do the 2 am game today. Canada won 88-65. Carleton led the team with 27 points and 7/8 for 3 point shots. Kayla Alexander had a great game as well. Wanted to see Mali to watch Kone play. Haven't seen any of the Mali games. She held her own with a double-double (10 pt, 10 reb).

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Serbia beat France 68-62. Based on the box score, it looks like Serbia's rebounding advantage helped to keep them in the game (44-25). Now they wait for Australia-Japan to see if they finish third in the pool.
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Australia easy win over Japan 71-54. 1st place Pool B
 
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eebmg said:
Australia easy win over Japan 71-54. 1st place Pool B
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Just saw the postings on Twitter. Thanks.

Canada finishing second is a pleasant surprise as most FIBA experts, including former Canada Basketball member Shona Thorburn, didn't expect them to get out of the pool from what I recall reading in one of their articles prior to the tournament.

It's also great to see Australia bounce back the way they have. Wouldn't be a FIBA World Cup if they hadn't made the play-offs.
 
Since pool play is over and all team results are in, does anyone know where the playoff schedule / matchups are posted? Do not see on FIBA site? :confused:

Oh, I see there is some draw's being implemented to get positioning.
 
eebmg said:
Since pool play is over and all team results are in, does anyone know where the playoff schedule / matchups are posted? Do not see on FIBA site? :confused:

Oh, I see there is some draw's being implemented to get positioning.
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No idea but I hope something is posted today. If I need to be up for a 2 am game, I want to plan my sleep schedule accordingly ;)
 
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