February General CBB Discussion Thread

[RuffRuff]

Who exactly were the prototypes for our offense when we were running it well?

Who exactly should we have recruited to be the new prototypes instead of the guys we currently have?

I think I mentioned it already - a taller, lob threat rim protector profile.

 

[Inyatkin]

Fans want Hurley outta here

Time warp from halftime of the Iona game

 

[KingAG]

One can't state that they are a recent shooting outlier away from being undefeated without another guy rushing to defend it by pulling up some first week history. They are a total portal team that took a little time to gel and then went on to curb stop in Vegas, a much more accurate picture of who they are based on current play. It's not like I'm pulling for these guys. It's just weird as there is a consistent group ready to pull out their data, guns, whatever to try and disprove why another team isn't that good.

Are you able to see that whatever you think you’re accusing this “consistent group” of, that you are guilty of the inverse? You are not objective.

You made an argument that team A is a certain variance away from being undefeated. It’s more than fair to argue the opposite. That they are a certain variance away from having 3 losses.

Neither happened. No one argument is “afraid to admit someone is good”. When you revert to that is when you become insufferable. Because it’s a strawman and doesn’t deal with the actual logic of the argument. You don’t get to choose when results begin to matter. Because of course you pick to begin when the data is in your favor.

Even with that, Penn State was not at the beginning of the season.

Michigan is not undefeated, and they shouldn’t be. And it’s not because of variance.

 

[navery12]

I think I mentioned it already - a taller, lob threat rim protector profile.

So how do you explain that nearly every big we've recruited doesn't fit that profile? Is Dan Hurley just forgetting what he wants in a big man? Sanogo doesn't fit that mold, Clingan barely does, Reed doesn't fit that mold, Reibe doesn't fit that mold

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I think I mentioned it already - a taller, lob threat rim protector profile.

You gave a generalization, I'm asking for specifics.

We are only in our fourth year of running this offense, if we've already reached the point where we can claim to have had prototypical big men in this offense, who were they? I'm asking for names.

If we made a mistake in the big men we recruited for our current roster, who should we have recruited instead? Again, I'm asking for names.

 

[KingAG]

You gave a generalization, I'm asking for specifics.

We are only in our fourth year of running this offense, if we've already reached the point where we can claim to have had prototypical big men in this offense, who were they? I'm asking for names.

If we made a mistake in the big men we recruited for our current roster, who should we have recruited instead? Again, I'm asking for names.

Yea because Adama Sanogo wasn’t an ideal fit.

This is Ruffruff’s preference. It’s not based in logic.

 

[AllHusky]

Mara is likely to erase Zubi as well . . .

Haven't watched either enough times to say anything with authority, but I like Zubi's chances of he goes right at him early and often. I think the problem would be if Zubi adjusts his game to adapt to Mara. Could be a wash or a slight plus if Zubi plays well. When I've watched Zubi over the last two years, usually liked his game

 

[RuffRuff]

Haven't watched either enough times to say anything with authority, but I like Zubi's chances of he goes right at him early and often. I think the problem would be if Zubi adjusts his game to adapt to Mara. Could be a wash or a slight plus if Zubi plays well. When I've watched Zubi over the last two years, usually liked his game

 

[AllHusky]

We can and do make 3's, Johnnies not as much. So against StJ's, Mara just sits and swats is what you are inferring?

 

[RuffRuff]

Yea because Adama Sanogo wasn’t an ideal fit.

This is Ruffruff’s preference. It’s not based in logic.

We had two years of Clingan and Samson. Despite his lackings, he did the rim running like a pro and it was a big part of the offense, provided an offensive KP of 15 (higher than this season despite better personnel this year). It spaces out the defense and opens up the lane for the penetrator, and it's a very high percentage shot obviously.

Examples - Vesaar/UNC, Krivas. Just looking for bigs that can get up a bit and be a threat, have some verticality on both ends.

 

[superjohn]

So how do you explain that nearly every big we've recruited doesn't fit that profile? Is Dan Hurley just forgetting what he wants in a big man? Sanogo doesn't fit that mold, Clingan barely does, Reed doesn't fit that mold, Reibe doesn't fit that mold

Samson fits the profile and he complained all last season Tarris should be starting over him and getting a lot more minutes than him. Now he's complaining about earthbound Tarris.

 

[RuffRuff]

Samson fits the profile and he complained all last season Tarris should be starting over him and getting a lot more minutes than him. Now he's complaining about earthbound Tarris.

Call it complaining because it's how you want to perceive it. I appreciate Tarris and realize he's a big part of our potential succces in March. It's called a discussion. Do you think sports radio fills it's broadcasts by sitting around saying, they're the best? Or any sports content for that matter.

The Uconn offense when it's running well, had perfected the drive and lob which served as a threat. We've abandoned it entirely this year. You can't have everything in a 5, but it was a really effective feature for our 2 NC years, and last year.

 

[huskyharry]

I think I mentioned it already - a taller, lob threat rim protector profile.

sounds like Diop of Az State

 

[RuffRuff]

sounds like Diop of Az State

There's a ton of em out there. Florida has three of them.

Tarris is doing something right positionally this year on defense, based on his Maya ranking.

 

[Excalibur]

Haven't watched either enough times to say anything with authority, but I like Zubi's chances of he goes right at him early and often. I think the problem would be if Zubi adjusts his game to adapt to Mara. Could be a wash or a slight plus if Zubi plays well. When I've watched Zubi over the last two years, usually liked his game

Kaufman-Renn tried to go into his chest several times last night and it didn't go well.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Toppin tore his ACL. That’s awful, kid is special.

 

[aceboon]

 

[RuffRuff]

That stinks - their season is basically done. Wonder how that impacts his AA status this late in the year.

Also wonder how it helps anyone playing them and their metrics. They still play at ISU & BYU. BYU game will have two season ending ACL injuries. Stinks not to have these two in the dance given how good it's set to be. Both of these kids were fun to watch.

 

[BGesus4]

Sucks.. TT was one of the most fun teams to watch—undermanned but a bunch of big shot makers

 

[auror]

End of season ACL tears are the worst.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

That stinks - their season is basically done. Wonder how that impacts his AA status this late in the year.

Also wonder how it helps anyone playing them and their metrics. They still play at ISU & BYU. BYU game will have two season ending ACL injuries. Stinks not to have these two in the dance given how good it's set to be. Both of these kids were fun to watch.

Should still be an AA, probably not 1st team now though